The Kim Potter Trial: should she go to prison?

oldiebutgoody said:
If someone like Derek Chauvin or Potter killed you I would have said the same thing. Obviously you have the luxury of not being black or brown like me. Even at my age I still get cops stopping me and demanding to inspect the bags I'm carrying or asking what the hell I'm doing in a building or neighborhood. Imagine that happening to you. Now imagine your peers or their children (or your children) facing a bullet even though they were innocent. Previously I wrote of a time I was reaching for a candy bar in my pocket and there was a cop near me reaching for his gun. Just imagine having to live with the fear that something like that can happen to you at any time. That's what I and others have to go through every day.

Criminally racist punks like Mark Fuhrman, Stacey Koon, and Derek Chauvin have been getting away with crimes like these for decades. These crimes have cost the cities hundreds of millions of dollars and and cause an incredible amount of social division. How much longer must we as a society continue to put up with this nonsense when it could be stopped overnight by simply applying the law to these police criminals exactly the way we do to everyone else?
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Oldiebutgoody, thank you for sharing your story. As someone with "white privilege", I can't even imagine what you've had to endure all your life. I guess I'm a bit more sympathetic because I'm gay and my partner is brown. We've had to make choices as to where we could live because of this. But I know it isn't nearly as serious as what you've experienced. I can't even imagine.

It is especially distressing to hear black mothers talk about how they've had to prepare their sons to go out into the world, be discriminated against and fear the police. Yes, there some Bad Apples in every race, but why should black or brown people have to behave any differently than white people who are equally culpable when confronted by the police? Such inequity in our society.

I understand where your frustration is coming from and thank you again for being transparent. đź‘Ť
 
Gemma said:
It ticked me off to see her sh*t eating grin on her face while processed.

Hopefully, this prison is just a place to hold her over until she's sentenced in February.
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Former police inmates are kept separate from the general prison population, so she won't have it very bad no matter where she winds up.
 

dseag2 said:
Oldiebutgoody, thank you for sharing your story. As someone with "white privilege", I can't even imagine what you've had to endure all your life. I guess I'm a bit more sympathetic because I'm gay and my partner is brown. We've had to make choices as to where we could live because of this. But I know it isn't nearly as serious as what you've experienced. I can't even imagine.

It is especially distressing to hear black mothers talk about how they've had to prepare their sons to go out into the world, be discriminated against and fear the police. Yes, there some Bad Apples in every race, but why should black or brown people have to behave any differently than white people who are equally culpable when confronted by the police? Such inequity in our society.

I understand where your frustration is coming from and thank you again for being transparent. đź‘Ť
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts and for your open mindedness.

I have spoken to parents who are black or brown about that. Some have said they will not allow their kids to play on varsity sports teams for fear that they will be driving home at night only to have some SOB cop kill them in cold blood and then pretend it was for the good of society. Imagine having kids who are too afraid of dating at night or playing sports because of these criminal cops. Those people who say that my words about murderous cops were somehow "cruel" need to stop and think about how their lives would be if they were in this particular situation.

Consider Daunte Wright --- his mom is white. When growing up she never had to face this type of problem. Now she knows first hand what it's all about. I challenge those cynics who criticized me to think all this over. Put themselves in the same position where I face the prospect of a loaded gun to my heart with trigger happy cops all around. What the hell will they be thinking???
 
I hear you. What haunts me to this day is the case of Elijah McClain. Wonderful, caring kid who played music for shelter animals. He was so innocent, and the police killed him for absolutely no reason. Yes, the family received a $15 million settlement for his death, but that will never bring him back and did that change the behavior? These incidents are disgusting, and no, it is never all over.
 
Hello people. I read each and every reply. Seems to me everyone is making an excuse for her. She did exactly what the cop did to George Floyd. I think she was beyond angry and just wanted to teach him a lesson I think she had something like an out of body experience and didn’t even realize she shot him. She deserves life and more she showed no remorse and never helped proving she didn’t care that she shot him by the remark she made which was now I’m going to jail. Yes you are a murderer and you don’t deserve a second chance I don’t believe you made a mistake you know very well where your gun is so good luck now that you also killed 2 family’s as well
 
dseag2 said:
I hear you. What haunts me to this day is the case of Elijah McClain. Wonderful, caring kid who played music for shelter animals. He was so innocent, and the police killed him for absolutely no reason. Yes, the family received a $15 million settlement for his death, but that will never bring him back and did that change the behavior? These incidents are disgusting, and no, it is never all over.
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Unfortunately, the $15 million came from the taxpayers, not the police union. In that case it was clearly determined that there simply was no valid basis for stopping him at all. It's just the police needlessly stopping and harassing innocents like they always do so gleefully. To me, those cops deserve the gas chamber as well. Those cynics who think that's cruel need to put themselves into the McClain family's shoes. If it was their innocent son (who had not committed a single crime) had been murdered, they would also be calling for capital punishment.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
I live in the Twin Cities and have observed everything I've written about. You have not. All they had to do was to apply the law on a uniform basis and the incident would not have taken place just as with George Floyd. She was the stupid one, not the victim.

As for having cops in the family, I have four. Only one remains in the service as the others retired. None of the cops I mentioned were shot. It is likely that fewer cops would get shot in this society if cops obeyed the law rather than abuse it.
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Well said!
 
oldiebutgoody said:
Age 70. While my hair is all white I'm told that I look a bit younger.
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peppermint said:
I love you.....Gear.....I'm with you.....P.......I cried for that lady.....She never shot anyone in her 25 or how many years......
I hope anyone here are

OK....The hudlum was trying to get away....He had a record and the police were going to bring him to the station.....They were not going
to kill him....He got crazy.....He tried to get out of there....But the police knew he had a record.....they just wanted to take him to the police
station to calm him down.....And whatever they needed to do......The lady never killed anyone in her 25 or more years....It was a slip....the
stupid hudlum tried to get the police lady......He was stupid....All he had to do is go to the station and probably let him go.....But really
he had someting in his car..... I hope oldiebutgoody watch what you say.....You don't know what you are talking about.....
Don't tell me about cops.....I have many of them......I've had some die iin my family....Police.....Just because someone didn't like police
and they shoot them....So watch out what you say....................................................................I'm done.................................
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He may have been a "hoodlum" (not "hudlum"), but I'm sure after seeing the number of black men killed by police officers, even not trying to resist arrest, he was most likely scared. Given the same situation, I would have probably resisted arrest as well. Try putting yourself in someone else's shoes.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
Or it can also serve to tell cops to apply the law on a uniform basis. As I wrote previously, had Daunte Wright been white the cops would never have stopped him as he was stopped for having fuzzy dice in violation of the law. Hundreds of white drivers do that every day and not one is ever stopped.
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Very true.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and for your open mindedness.

I have spoken to parents who are black or brown about that. Some have said they will not allow their kids to play on varsity sports teams for fear that they will be driving home at night only to have some SOB cop kill them in cold blood and then pretend it was for the good of society. Imagine having kids who are too afraid of dating at night or playing sports because of these criminal cops. Those people who say that my words about murderous cops were somehow "cruel" need to stop and think about how their lives would be if they were in this particular situation.

Consider Daunte Wright --- his mom is white. When growing up she never had to face this type of problem. Now she knows first hand what it's all about. I challenge those cynics who criticized me to think all this over. Put themselves in the same position where I face the prospect of a loaded gun to my heart with trigger happy cops all around. What the hell will they be thinking???
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I'm white, so I don't know first hand, but I grew up in a big city and I know what goes on. Over the years I've had enough of my friends tell me of their experiences with racist cops, thankfully they were all alive to tell their stories. It really angers me when I hear of another person of color being shot dead for no good reason at all. It is modern day lynchings, no sugar coating it. Black lives do matter, sad we even need that slogan in 2021. The only glimmer of hope is that finally some of these killer cops are being held accountable. Unfortunately that doesn't bring back the lives that were lost. May Daunte rest in peace, condolences to his family. :(
 
I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt and look for signs of decency, but I'm often wrong. A remorseful murderer wouldn't smile for a mug shot. Maybe all that sobbing on the stand was just an act. Maybe we just shouldn't underestimate the depravity of which people are capable and assume the worst, and if it turns out not to be the case, we can be pleasantly surprised.
 
Here's what happened and why Wright was pulled over:

On April 11, 2021, Wright was driving with his girlfriend in a white 2011 Buick LaCrosse that was registered to his brother on their way to a car wash. A Brooklyn Center trainee officer in a patrol car, which contained Kimberly Potter as a passenger, observed the vehicle signaling a right turn while it was inside a left turning lane. The trainee officer also noticed that the vehicle had an expired registration tag on its license plate and had an air freshener hanging from the car's rearview mirror, a violation of Minnesota state law. At 1:53 p.m. local time, the trainee officer initiated a traffic stop of Wright's vehicle on 63rd Avenue North and called for backup.​
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After pulling the vehicle over, the trainee officer approached the vehicle and learned the driver's name. Wright did not have a driver's license or proof-of-insurance card. The trainee officer returned to his squad car and was joined by Potter's supervisor who had arrived at the scene. Meanwhile, Wright phoned his mother. The officers ran Wright's name through a police database and learned that he had an open arrest warrant for failing to appear in court on a gross misdemeanor weapons violation for carrying a gun without a permit, and that there was a protective order against him by an unnamed woman. The officers decided to arrest Wright and ensure the passenger was not the same woman who had the protective order against him.​

The police were perfectly justified in pulling Wright over. It had nothing to do with him being Black.
 
peppermint said:
I love you.....Gear.....I'm with you.....P.......I cried for that lady.....She never shot anyone in her 25 or how many years......
I hope anyone here are

OK....The hudlum was trying to get away....He had a record and the police were going to bring him to the station.....They were not going
to kill him....He got crazy.....He tried to get out of there....But the police knew he had a record.....they just wanted to take him to the police
station to calm him down.....And whatever they needed to do......The lady never killed anyone in her 25 or more years....It was a slip....the
stupid hudlum tried to get the police lady......He was stupid....All he had to do is go to the station and probably let him go.....But really
he had someting in his car..... I hope oldiebutgoody watch what you say.....You don't know what you are talking about.....
Don't tell me about cops.....I have many of them......I've had some die iin my family....Police.....Just because someone didn't like police
and they shoot them....So watch out what you say....................................................................I'm done.................................
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You said it yourself: "You have cops in your family." That explains your bias. That explains why you would never find fault with anything another cop did - right or wrong.
Anything wrong with what Derek Chauvin did?
 
Irwin said:
Here's what happened and why Wright was pulled over:

On April 11, 2021, Wright was driving with his girlfriend in a white 2011 Buick LaCrosse that was registered to his brother on their way to a car wash. A Brooklyn Center trainee officer in a patrol car, which contained Kimberly Potter as a passenger, observed the vehicle signaling a right turn while it was inside a left turning lane. The trainee officer also noticed that the vehicle had an expired registration tag on its license plate and had an air freshener hanging from the car's rearview mirror, a violation of Minnesota state law. At 1:53 p.m. local time, the trainee officer initiated a traffic stop of Wright's vehicle on 63rd Avenue North and called for backup.​
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After pulling the vehicle over, the trainee officer approached the vehicle and learned the driver's name. Wright did not have a driver's license or proof-of-insurance card. The trainee officer returned to his squad car and was joined by Potter's supervisor who had arrived at the scene. Meanwhile, Wright phoned his mother. The officers ran Wright's name through a police database and learned that he had an open arrest warrant for failing to appear in court on a gross misdemeanor weapons violation for carrying a gun without a permit, and that there was a protective order against him by an unnamed woman. The officers decided to arrest Wright and ensure the passenger was not the same woman who had the protective order against him.​

The police were perfectly justified in pulling Wright over. It had nothing to do with him being Black.
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It certainly didn't. I'm the first to speak out when police do the wrong thing. In this case, the only officer who did the wrong thing was Kim Potter.
 
Irwin said:
Here's what happened and why Wright was pulled over:

On April 11, 2021, Wright was driving with his girlfriend in a white 2011 Buick LaCrosse that was registered to his brother on their way to a car wash. A Brooklyn Center trainee officer in a patrol car, which contained Kimberly Potter as a passenger, observed the vehicle signaling a right turn while it was inside a left turning lane. The trainee officer also noticed that the vehicle had an expired registration tag on its license plate and had an air freshener hanging from the car's rearview mirror, a violation of Minnesota state law. At 1:53 p.m. local time, the trainee officer initiated a traffic stop of Wright's vehicle on 63rd Avenue North and called for backup.​
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After pulling the vehicle over, the trainee officer approached the vehicle and learned the driver's name. Wright did not have a driver's license or proof-of-insurance card. The trainee officer returned to his squad car and was joined by Potter's supervisor who had arrived at the scene. Meanwhile, Wright phoned his mother. The officers ran Wright's name through a police database and learned that he had an open arrest warrant for failing to appear in court on a gross misdemeanor weapons violation for carrying a gun without a permit, and that there was a protective order against him by an unnamed woman. The officers decided to arrest Wright and ensure the passenger was not the same woman who had the protective order against him.​

The police were perfectly justified in pulling Wright over. It had nothing to do with him being Black.
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Ride your car on the streets of Minnesota and you will see a thousand white drivers committing even worse violations while the cops do absolutely NOTHING about it. Had he been white the cops would never have given him so much as a second look. The attack on him had everything to do with his being black. You do not live here. I do and am infinitely more qualified to say that than anyone here.
 
Maybe Kim Potter smiled for her mug shot because the person taking her picture said something nice,trying to make her feel better and she politely smiled in return.

oldiebutgoody said:
Had he been white the cops would never have given him so much as a second look.
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How could you possibly know that?

My husband, white, age 70, was recently stopped three times in one weekend. He didn't have expired tags or junk hanging from his rear view mirror, they just pulled him over and made him walk a straight line. He's six foot four and has bad balance so he didn't do very well, so then had to have breath tests each time to prove he wasn't drunk.

He thought it was because it was night time and close to his favorite bar. If it had been you, you would have thought it was because of your skin color.

I got pulled over for my tags last year. If it had been you, you would have thought it was because of your skin color.

Let me tell you something, I'll bet you don't know. In 2020, the year George Floyd was killed by police, 457 white people were killed by police. We don't know any of their names, people didn't have marches about it, no one put wings on any of those dead white people and built statues of them, they just died and were buried by their families who didn't get millions of dollars to assuage their grief.

Your repeated declarations that police never stop white people and only black people ever encounter the police are just plain wrong.

You've said Kim Potter deserves the gas chamber for her mistake. What do you think Daunte Wright deserved for doing the things he did? I think one of his victims has suffered a fate worse than death.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10329753/Daunte-Wright-victims-tell-violent-past.html
 
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^ You claim cops stopped your white husband three times - where? What city? This is the first time I've ever heard of a white guy making such a complaint unless they have a long record of violations and remains on a watch list. Cops carry ID cards and he has a right to demand that they surrender one upon request. Wanna show us those cards so that we can confirm if any of that is true?

It is true that whites have been killed by cops. However, blacks and browns are targeted disproportionately:

racial profiling in traffic stops: https://sc.edu/uofsc/posts/2020/06/racial_disparities_traffic_stops.php
driving while black: https://www.google.com/search?q=dri...rome..69i57.5582j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
driving while brown:https://www.google.com/search?q=dri...uMS4wLjIuMS4ymAEAoAEByAEKwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz
stop-and-frisk racial profiling:https://www.google.com/search?q=sto...rome..69i57.6568j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8




Locals in Minnesota know fully well that Daunte Wright's only real "crime" was driving while black: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...pired-plates-driving-while-black-may-n1263878

As I wrote before, had he been white he would not have been stopped. Everybody here knows it.
 
Della said:
Maybe Kim Potter smiled for her mug shot because the person taking her picture said something nice,trying to make her feel better and she politely smiled in return.


How could you possibly know that?

My husband, white, age 70, was recently stopped three times in one weekend. He didn't have expired tags or junk hanging from his rear view mirror, they just pulled him over and made him walk a straight line. He's six foot four and has bad balance so he didn't do very well, so then had to have breath tests each time to prove he wasn't drunk.

He thought it was because it was night time and close to his favorite bar. If it had been you, you would have thought it was because of your skin color.

I got pulled over for my tags last year. If it had been you, you would have thought it was because of your skin color.

Let me tell you something, I'll bet you don't know. In 2020, the year George Floyd was killed by police, 457 white people were killed by police. We don't know any of their names, people didn't have marches about it, no one put wings on any of those dead white people and built statues of them, they just died and were buried by their families who didn't get millions of dollars to assuage their grief.

Your repeated declarations that police never stop white people and only black people ever encounter the police are just plain wrong.

You've said Kim Potter deserves the gas chamber for her mistake. What do you think Daunte Wright deserved for doing the things he did? I think one of his victims has suffered a fate worse than death.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10329753/Daunte-Wright-victims-tell-violent-past.html
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I wasn't aware of his serious criminal past... and the fact he'd left a friend a virtual vegetable... that's horrific, and Daunte wright deserved to go to prison for that for a very long time. However that case hadn't gone to court yet, so Potter shot him after being only aware of his misdemeanour's... ...and in the words of the mother of Wrights' victim, when referring to Wright shooting her son... '' I don't believe you can shoot someone accidentally''...and she's right...Potter did not shoot accidentally... IMO...
 

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