Hong Kong was leased or something like that and we all knew that would happen
. Hong Kong was leased to Great Britain in 1898 for 99 years. The lease was up, Britain gave it back, and, like any property, it was return to its rightful owner.
Yes, unfortunately we will.
I think we will have Taiwan's back because of what's happened in Hong Kong.
So far, we are promising to protect Taiwan. Japan, Britain and Australia have also. The US and Britain already have ships and personnel there, and the US and Britain are helping to prepare Japan's and Australia's military forces. And surprisingly, the Philippines actually sunk a Chinese fishing fleet when it refused to leave their waters.
Taiwan was settled in 3000 BC, belonged to Japan in 1895, and then China, forgot
, then became independent. In any event, we have treaties with Taiwan so whole different situation than Hong Kong which was owed by China, leased to the British, and returned by the British to China when the lease was up.
Our goal right now is to prevent active military aggression from China toward Taiwan. Meanwhile, the US and China are very busy building up their military and ramping up their military technology, and I don't think we have any technology that China hasn't stolen or reverse-engineered. For the past 4 decades, we left ourselves totally open and vulnerable in that regard.
Yes, that's true, but China had formally agreed to never interfere with Hong Kong's democracy and policies, and they completely ignored that agreement.Hong Kong was leased or something like that and we all knew that would happen
Edited: I was right
. Because we have been so successful in preventing active military aggression in the past by other countries. What we need to do is stay out of it until and if it comes under our treaty obligation. It is not our business.
If we're depending on voters to save the U.S., we're screwed!If this historian is even close to being accurate then I have some grave concerns over human rights disappearing from humanity. All the views on this thread are very important because we still have influence on who we vote to represent us AND to our families and friends. I will following this subject closely and let my view of the "new world order" ( whatever that might be ) be as objective as I possibly can. In an increasing digital networked world, that is not going to be very easy. First and foremost we need to get our own house in order. I feel like the coming elections are going to be NUTS! I have no idea how we are going to accomplish this now. I feel like anything we do is like a crap shoot. Most people loose at this game, especially when playing against the house.
Taiwan's fate will have a direct effect us and the rest of the democratic world. To protect democracy, it is crucial that we stop the CCP from taking over in the China sea and, inevitably, the South Pacific and so on. Or we could just kiss all forms of democracy goodbye. Personally, that isn't what I want for my grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
How do you propose we stop them? Democracy here at home isn't exactly stable. Just look at what happened exactly one year ago, today, and all those involved — some of whom serve in Congress, unencumbered. Actually, they seem empowered by trying to subvert democracy and refuse to cooperate with investigations.
And that is what is always said as we engage in war after war after war. We need to stop this endless cycle of the US being the policeman, savior of the world, champion of democracy crap. Cause it’s crap; and we are awful at it.
Not for me to decide, but I won't stand in the Pentagon's way.
IMO, the CCP is a real threat. And nobody needs military conflict, least of all Taiwan, but it may be inevitable.
That's true, but not as many as China. What's going to make a difference is anti-bombs, and we have some. But their current power source is satellites, and China has anti-satellite satellites. So now we're talking Star Wars.
You are talking Star Wars, I am talking no wars.
You'd support a war with China if that's what Pentagon leaders said we should do? The head of the Pentagon, otherwise known as the Defense Secretary, was appointed by the president and is just a regular person who is fallible. Just take a look at some of the previous Defense Secretaries — especially the one who got us into the Afghanistan and Iraq quagmires. I believe that "fallible" was his middle name, or perhaps it was "destined to fail."
Alfred McCoy is a really interesting orator. He kind of reminds me of Noam Chomsky, but with a more listenable voice and style.I watched this last night. I didn't know how pervasive China is expanding its influence ( especially in South Africa ) and probably become the new global leading power/economy. I am interested in your reaction to this presentation. I would prefer a discussion, not a debate.
Yes I agree
I support defending Taiwan.
