Racism and Racists

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Pepper said:
@hollydolly
We used to vacation in Miami Beach when I was a little girl. Not only was it segregated, but blacks needed a "passport" giving them permission to enter for jobs. They needed other permission to be in MB after sunset.

The water fountains were separate. The dark fountain was labeled colored the white labeled white. Public bathrooms. Enter the door marked ladies. Inside two more doors, white & colored.

We took a bus to visit Dad's friends. I wanted to sit in the back. The bus was empty except for us. I liked the single seats in the back. My parents begged me not to. I did anyway. The bus driver pulled over, not at a bus stop and said to me "Those seats are for N word. Get in front or I'm kicking you all off the bus." Of course if the front of the bus was crowded, the blacks had to stand so whites could sit. I was seven, old enough to be horrified, old enough to remember this always.
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I've seen all this in films (movies)..of course, but I genuinely thought that all of the segregation was over. I mean you may not have the whit/coloured bathrooms etc..but from what I'm reading here , in many ways the segregation still occurs... :oops:

Passport for the beach...?.. I can't believe I just read that..!! :cautious:

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...now I know we can't discuss politics folks, so hold off in what you might want to say.. but just throwing this thought out there.. I wonder what would happen in the USA if the situations were the same as what happened in South Africa, with reverse racism and potential for reverse apartheid... ( just a thought ) ...don't go getting into trouble for discussing politics..
 

hollydolly said:
I've seen all this in films (movies)..of course, but I genuinely thought that all of the segregation was over. I mean you may not have the whit/coloured bathrooms etc..but from what I'm reading here , in many ways the segregation still occurs... :oops:

Passport for the beach...?.. I can't believe I just read that..!! :cautious:

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...now I know we can't discuss politics folks, so hold off in what you might want to say.. but just throwing this thought out there.. I wonder what would happen in the USA if the situations were the same as what happened in South Africa, with reverse racism and potential for reverse apartheid... ( just a thought ) ...don't go getting into trouble for discussing politics..
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Well, that's an interesting thought, isn't it. :)
 
hollydolly said:
I've seen all this in films (movies)..of course, but I genuinely thought that all of the segregation was over. I mean you may not have the whit/coloured bathrooms etc..but from what I'm reading here , in many ways the segregation still occurs... :oops:

Passport for the beach...?.. I can't believe I just read that..!! :cautious:

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...now I know we can't discuss politics folks, so hold off in what you might want to say.. but just throwing this thought out there.. I wonder what would happen in the USA if the situations were the same as what happened in South Africa, with reverse racism and potential for reverse apartheid... ( just a thought ) ...don't go getting into trouble for discussing politics..
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Well, not only that but if blacks got into a public pool, whites would quickly jump out and the pool was drained and cleaned.
 

JaniceM said:
Well, that's an interesting thought, isn't it. :)
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hollydolly said:
I've seen all this in films (movies)..of course, but I genuinely thought that all of the segregation was over. I mean you may not have the whit/coloured bathrooms etc..but from what I'm reading here , in many ways the segregation still occurs... :oops:

Passport for the beach...?.. I can't believe I just read that..!! :cautious:

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...now I know we can't discuss politics folks, so hold off in what you might want to say.. but just throwing this thought out there.. I wonder what would happen in the USA if the situations were the same as what happened in South Africa, with reverse racism and potential for reverse apartheid... ( just a thought ) ...don't go getting into trouble for discussing politics..
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I remember moving to Virginia and one of the movie theaters not admitting black people. You do understand that was over 60 years ago, and none of those laws are in force now. But this is the history that we are trying to deal with.
 
hollydolly said:
I wonder what would happen in the USA if the situations were the same as what happened in South Africa, with reverse racism and potential for reverse apartheid... ( just a thought ) ...don't go getting into trouble for discussing politics..
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Interesting question.

The treatment of black people in the US South was as bad as, maybe wore than South Africa's apartheid. The difference is that black people in South Africa were very much in the majority, so with the coming of democracy they took power. In the US blacks still represent a minority, in most places, all states I think. So their ability to implement some of the policies we see in South Africa is limited, I don't think it will much happen.
 
Lavinia said:
Don't you find it intriguing that all the migrants currently moving across the globe are moving to WHITE countries....the countries which are wealthy, stable and well-educated? All the explorers of the world were white people (I'm including the Phoenicians as white), and it's whites who have had empires. Black people from East Africa moved east and settled in Australia but have not had an empire. Africa had diamonds, gold and fertile land, but it took the white people to dig down and extract the gold and diamonds, and farm the land. Imagine if Africans had mined the gold and sold it to the Europeans...how different the world might be!
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They go to the "white" countries beause those countries throughout history became rich because they, robbed and pillaged and stripped their land and made them prisoners in their ow country. That's why!
The British, the French, the Dutch etc.
Know your history Lavina.
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hollydolly said:
..and this is relatively recently ?.. or when ?
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The second half of the 20th Century is very recent and it came with the blessing of the US Supreme Court.

"When a new city administration changed the parks policy in 1949 to allow Black swimmers, the first integrated swim ended in bloodshed. On June 21, two hundred white residents surrounded the pool with “bats, clubs, bricks and knives” to menace the first thirty or so Black swimmers. Over the course of the day, a white mob that grew to five thousand attacked every Black person in sight around the Fairground Park. After the Fairground Park Riot, as it was known, the city returned to a segregation policy using public safety as a justification, but a successful NAACP lawsuit reopened the pool to all St. Louisans the following summer. On the first day of integrated swimming, July 19, 1950, only seven white swimmers attended, joining three brave Black swimmers under the shouts of two hundred white protesters. That first integrated summer, Fairground logged just 10,000 swims—down from 313,000 the previous summer. The city closed the pool for good six years later. Racial hatred led to St. Louis draining one of the most prized public pools in the world.

Draining public swimming pools to avoid integration received the official blessing of the U.S. Supreme Court in 1971. The city council in Jackson, Mississippi, had responded to desegregation demands by closing four public pools and leasing the fifth to the YMCA, which operated it for whites only. Black citizens sued, but the Supreme Court, in Palmer v. Thompson, held that a city could choose not to provide a public facility rather than maintain an integrated one, because by robbing the entire public, the white leaders were spreading equal harm. “There was no evidence of state action affecting *****es differently from white,” wrote Justice Hugo Black. The Court went on to turn a blind eye to the obvious racial animus behind the decision, taking the race neutrality at face value. “Petitioners’ contention that equal protection requirements were violated because the pool-closing decision was motivated by anti-integration considerations must also fail, since courts will not invalidate legislation based solely on asserted illicit motivation by the enacting legislative body.” The decision showed the limits of the civil rights legal tool kit and forecast the politics of public services for decades to come: If the benefits can’t be whites-only, you can’t have them at all. And if you say it’s racist? Well, prove it."

https://www.marketplace.org/2021/02...ywhere-in-america-then-racism-shut-them-down/
 

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Will remind others on this thread that many in some USA regions like this person had absolutely no interracial experiences during those years other than news media. We didn't see it in schools, not in supermarkets and drugstores, not at our workplaces, not on our streets. Well let me back off. Unless one drives down to the poor side of the city. Thus we didn't have any behavioral experiences nor formed opinions and attitudes like those that lived in mixed racial areas..

Did we ordinary peons in such zones have any influence about how the rest of society had become so? Wuzat? All the accumulative result of a long history of USA segregation culture, social earth monkeys with a wealth and power structure moving into a technology age.
 
Nosy Bee-54 said:
Yesterday and today, racism is pervasive and entrenched in America.

"Wyoming’s first Black sheriff last year fired a white deputy who is accused of tormenting a Black subordinate for years with racist name-calling that led him to quit, a new federal lawsuit reveals."

"Albany County Patrol Sgt. Christian Handley once drove past and yelled a profanity and the N-word at Cpl. Jamin Johnson while Johnson and his wife and children were walking out of their home."

"Handley used racial slurs to refer not only to Johnson but to Black citizens he came in contact with on the job, including four University of Wyoming students who were in a vehicle he once pulled over."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...fires-deputy-for-racism/ar-AAT6ios?li=BBnb7Kz

https://www.yahoo.com/now/lawsuit-1st-wyoming-black-sheriff-232008781.html

On the job, in the community and government. Instead of tweeting congratulations, this legislator's response just shows how deep racism runs in America's DNA.

"Republican state Rep. Cyrus Western replied on social media Monday to an article about Albany County Sheriff Aaron Appelhans’ appointment with a clip that showed a Black character from a movie asking, “Where the white women at?”

“I’d like to issue a retraction,” Western wrote in a tweet Wednesday morning. “My remark about the new Albany Sheriff was dumb and uncalled for.”

“What I did was insensitive, and, while unintended, I recognize that it was wrong,” Western added. “I hope he accepts my apology.”

https://apnews.com/article/albany-media-wyoming-social-media-casper-8e694e7894e63a5b9a845266e7707d5b

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...r-fire-racist-tweet-states-black-sheriff.html
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Exactly, and not too get political but just to show that racism exists, what about Mitch McConnell's recent statement...

"Well the concern is misplaced, because if you look at the statistics, African American voters are voting in just as high a percentage as Americans," McConnell responded.
 
The first time I experienced racism was in a small local gas station with my best friend who was hispanic. The young man working there (who knew me) threatened both of us cause we were looking at some toy they had. He was just so ugly and I couldn't figure out why. I finally realized it was because I was with my hispanic friend. That was in the late 60's. Later, in the late 70's I witnessed how an old college professor flunked a nice young intelligent black man that I was in the class with because he was black (and I know this was the case). But I have not witnessed such blatant acts of racism up in my neck of the woods firsthand since but rather just the opposite. I think things have gotten much better. And I think we would all be better off to focus on what has happened for the good as much as possible. The one area that I still am concerned about is within law enforcement, and there are still isolated cases occurring even up by us. Body and dash cams should be used at all times to document arrests. And a black person should not be pulled over 5 times as often as a white person!
 
Shero said:
They go to the "white" countries beause those countries throughout history became rich because they, robbed and pillaged and stripped their land and made them prisoners in their ow country. That's why!
The British, the French, the Dutch etc.
Know your history Lavina.
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I do know my history and what you say is only partly true. Why do you think the Romans were so determined to control Britain? Because the country had resources...fertile land, minerals to mine. The Christian religion was established in Britain before the Catholic church. This country was a major player on the world stage before we had our own empire. It is even mentioned in the Old Testament!!
 
Lavinia said:
I do know my history and what you say is only partly true. Why do you think the Romans were so determined to control Britain? Because the country had resources...fertile land, minerals to mine. The Christian religion was established in Britain before the Catholic church. This country was a major player on the world stage before we had our own empire. It is even mentioned in the Old Testament!!
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I've read the Bible all the way through, a couple of times. I don't recall (and can't find) any reference to Britain. Could you cite chapter and verse?

Before the various schisms and splits, Christianity and Catholicism were one and the same. So saying Christianity was established in Britain before the Catholic Church doesn't make sense. Unless you're referring to the legend that Christ somehow visited Britain before the crucifixion.

I have to laugh when the Brits scold the US over racism. This from the people who colonized Africa and India and waged brutal warfare against the Irish, starving them and occupying their country until a hundred years ago.
 
dseag2 said:
Not at all. I'm saying the way it was handled was a mistake.
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I agree that it did not go well. But other than sooner how do you think it could have been better handled?

It went against generations of strong feelings, reversing that is not an easy thing to do. I was young back then, but I remember the angst of thinking about black kids going to school with us and the like. And I came from a relatively liberal and educated home.

Many people really did see it as an end of the world thing...
 
Alligatorob said:
I agree that it did not go well. But other than sooner how do you think it could have been better handled?

It went against generations of strong feelings, reversing that is not an easy thing to do. I was young back then, but I remember the angst of thinking about black kids going to school with us and the like. And I came from a relatively liberal and educated home.
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In Richmond, well-to-do white kids were bused into poor black schools in the early 1970s. That experiment did not end well.
 
dseag2 said:
Exactly, and not too get political but just to show that racism exists, what about Mitch McConnell's recent statement...

"Well the concern is misplaced, because if you look at the statistics, African American voters are voting in just as high a percentage as Americans," McConnell responded.
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He left out a word [I thnk it was "other"] {as other Americans} a slip of the tongue ......... You've never made a mistake ?
 
Alligatorob said:
I agree that it did not go well. But other than sooner how do you think it could have been better handled?

It went against generations of strong feelings, reversing that is not an easy thing to do. I was young back then, but I remember the angst of thinking about black kids going to school with us and the like. And I came from a relatively liberal and educated home.

Many people really did see it as an end of the world thing...
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Kinda like this book, huh?
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