Omicron has changed the shape of the pandemic. Will it end it for good?

Irwin said:
It couldn't have been as politically divisive. Our country hasn't been this bad since the Civil War, and we could very well be verging on another civil war. Everything is political these days. Facts are now political. Like Stephen Colbert said: "Reality has a liberal bias." While he said it as a joke, there's truth in it. If you don't spin facts to the right, you're considered a liberal. That's how bad it's gotten.
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Because we live under corporatism now. It thrives on making us waste time fighting each other instead of the oligarchy doing this to us.
 

Sunny said:
Sigh. He's a quack, Chic.
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From what I know Dr. Malone has overstated his credentials. But, the other side has been guilty of trying to shut-up anybody who disagrees with them, even knowledgeable medical people who have some facts and logic to back them up. Thus, Dr. Malone has some good company though he himself is suspect in my opinion.

The recent kerfuffle at Spotify where some artists are pulling their music because they disagree with Joe Rogan is as great example of the "let's shut up anybody who disagrees with me" attitude of many people. Personally, I don't think anybody should take any entertainer, social media host, athlete, politician etc. seriously in regards to medical advice. They are no smarter than most of us who post right here. Just because they are famous doesn't mean they really know.

But, trying to shut up the other side just gives them more energy and makes their followers dig in even deeper. Covid and how to manage it has a lot of nuances. Most of these public figures are sadly lacking in understanding the nuances.
 
Brookswood said:
From what I know Dr. Malone has overstated his credentials. But, the other side has been guilty of trying to shut-up anybody who disagrees with them, even knowledgeable medical people who have some facts and logic to back them up. Thus, Dr. Malone has some good company though he himself is suspect in my opinion.

The recent kerfuffle at Spotify where some artists are pulling their music because they disagree with Joe Rogan is as great example of the "let's shut up anybody who disagrees with me" attitude of many people. Personally, I don't think anybody should take any entertainer, social media host, athlete, politician etc. seriously in regards to medical advice. They are no smarter than most of us who post right here. Just because they are famous doesn't mean they really know.

But, trying to shut up the other side just gives them more energy and makes their followers dig in even deeper. Covid and how to manage it has a lot of nuances. Most of these public figures are sadly lacking in understanding the nuances.
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I agree with you that public figures having credentials of medical advice is ridiculous and they should not be looked upon for advice any more then myself or anyone else that doesn't have medical credentials.

A person can choose to put their faith in Dr. Malone or Dr, Fauci as obviously they has medical experience. Whether you choose to agree with one or the other is up to you. If you choose to follow the advice from either one of them you also must deal with any consequences that may come about from anything they say as well. That comes along with it. That is why I choose not to listen to any of that and just to focus on what is staring me right in my face. I also have the luxury of having a husband who works in a hospital setting so I can trust what he is telling me is going on there is the truth. When I hear the hospitals are in crisis because more and more Covid cases are filling the beds then it is common sense to me that this is a serious situation we are dealing with and I need to take all the safety precautions I can to limit the chances of getting sick. Things like that is what I watch not what one person is saying over another. In the beginning of all this I did spend a lot of time listening to all the medical experts on this and what I got from it was they seemed like they were making these claims and then a month later it would change. So that went out the window for me and I started just watching what was happening to make my decisions.
 
Sunny said:
Here's part of an article in the Washington Post about him:

Malone argued Sunday that the omicron variant “is destroying the approved narrative that the vaccines are safe and effective,” ignoring last week’s CDC notice that vaccine boosters were preventing serious illness from the omicron variant of the coronavirus, which causes the disease covid-19. He also discouraged people from getting vaccinated and pushed instead for natural immunity, which, as emergency physician Leana S. Wen wrote for The Post in August, is dangerous.

It didn’t stop there. A Canadian study suggesting a high rate of heart inflammation after people were given coronavirus vaccines was retracted by the study’s authors in September because of a significant mathematical error, the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. reported. Despite the major inaccuracy, screenshots of the preprint study spread among the anti-vaccine community. Among those who shared it was Malone, who got a huge response to the tweet but did not take it down, even though many noted that the study had been retracted.
Timothy Caulfield, the Canada research chair in health law and policy at the University of Alberta, said Malone injecting himself into a conversation with the kind of credentials he has, and “cherry-picking rotten data,” was “a worst-case scenario.”
“You have this individual who has all these credentials and this history in the biomedical world, so that looks impressive. And he’s referencing a study that, on the face of it, may look impressive. But you don’t know that the study is fraudulent,” Caulfield said, adding that Malone has “weaponized bad research.”

In November, Malone shared a deceptive video to his Twitter followers that falsely linked athlete deaths to coronavirus shots. The video suggested that coronavirus vaccination killed Jake West, a 17-year-old Indiana high school football player who died of sudden cardiac arrest. But the vaccine played no role in West’s death. The teen died of an undiagnosed heart condition in 2013.
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AnnieA said:
It's wrong of Malone to tell people who have never contracted Covid-19 to avoid the vaccine in favor of natural immunity. It is also wrong of Fauci et al to discount natural immunity in previously recovered individuals.

Had our pharmaceutical dollar driven medical culture recognized both when study after study began coming in showing the benefits and limitations of each type of immunity in terms of real world efficacy, Covid-19 would not be so controversial.


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The problem with that Washington Post article (and some others, too) is that it omits some details that Malone talked about, such as age and other factors of those most vulnerable to mortality with covid, and that the safety and efficacy of vaccines that use dead virus may be superior to the mRNA vaccine.

Basically, Malone's stance on the mRNA vaccine is that it wasn't ready for release because it needed more thorough tests and trials, and he doubts it's as safe and effective as conventional vaccines.
 
Nosy Bee-54 said:
One more public figure bit the dust.

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@KIRONewsradio has been able to confirm Trooper LaMay died after a battle with Covid. He famously quit over vaccine mandates, saying in a viral video in his last WSP radio transmission that “Governor Inslee can kiss my a**.” He was 50. ⁦

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/robe...ovid-19-washington_n_61f4d1d4e4b04f9a12bd8084
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He may be dead, but at least he stuck to his principles.

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chic said:
What exactly do you and @Sunny disagree with that Dr. Malone has said? I'd enjoy hearing Your opinions and not the parroting of govt. narrative.
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First of all, I have never parroted any government narratives. Also, unlike you, I'm not unreasonably paranoid against our government because I don't fall for ridiculous conspiracies. Not wasting any more time with you and this quack, you have enough information that you have chosen to ignore, your loss not mine. You can continue to follow people like him, Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson Steve Bannon, or whatever other nutters you admire. Keep the scary boogeyment under your bed at night like Dr. Fauci, the CDC, big pharma, deep state, bad gubmint, etc. Good luck.
 
Nosy Bee-54 said:
One more public figure bit the dust.

BREAKING: ⁦
@KIRONewsradio has been able to confirm Trooper LaMay died after a battle with Covid. He famously quit over vaccine mandates, saying in a viral video in his last WSP radio transmission that “Governor Inslee can kiss my a**.” He was 50. ⁦

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/robe...ovid-19-washington_n_61f4d1d4e4b04f9a12bd8084
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He's not the first and won't be the last. We can only hope that people learn from this and don't make the same foolish mistake.
 
Sunny said:
Here's part of an article in the Washington Post about him:

Malone argued Sunday that the omicron variant “is destroying the approved narrative that the vaccines are safe and effective,” ignoring last week’s CDC notice that vaccine boosters were preventing serious illness from the omicron variant of the coronavirus, which causes the disease covid-19. He also discouraged people from getting vaccinated and pushed instead for natural immunity, which, as emergency physician Leana S. Wen wrote for The Post in August, is dangerous.

It didn’t stop there. A Canadian study suggesting a high rate of heart inflammation after people were given coronavirus vaccines was retracted by the study’s authors in September because of a significant mathematical error, the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. reported. Despite the major inaccuracy, screenshots of the preprint study spread among the anti-vaccine community. Among those who shared it was Malone, who got a huge response to the tweet but did not take it down, even though many noted that the study had been retracted.
Timothy Caulfield, the Canada research chair in health law and policy at the University of Alberta, said Malone injecting himself into a conversation with the kind of credentials he has, and “cherry-picking rotten data,” was “a worst-case scenario.”
“You have this individual who has all these credentials and this history in the biomedical world, so that looks impressive. And he’s referencing a study that, on the face of it, may look impressive. But you don’t know that the study is fraudulent,” Caulfield said, adding that Malone has “weaponized bad research.”

In November, Malone shared a deceptive video to his Twitter followers that falsely linked athlete deaths to coronavirus shots. The video suggested that coronavirus vaccination killed Jake West, a 17-year-old Indiana high school football player who died of sudden cardiac arrest. But the vaccine played no role in West’s death. The teen died of an undiagnosed heart condition in 2013.
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Well, the Washington Post wouldn't be kind to him as the same publication was used to discredit the three authors of the Great Barrington declaration. However, Omicron has destroyed the vaccine's reputation for being safe and effective because everybody has contracted covid now, just about, and I recall Dr. F. saying recently that everybody would contract covid. From being exposed to Dr. Malone's dissertations previously, I do know he believes in the possibility of ADE from too many vaccines and from the course this pandemic has taken, I'd have to say he is right about that. The Canadian article I will have to look into because I'm unfamiliar with it. But I am familiar with seeing athletes drop dead on the field. Now we're being told myocarditis is normal in young males? 🤔
 
Rah-Rah said:
In the beginning of all this I did spend a lot of time listening to all the medical experts on this and what I got from it was they seemed like they were making these claims and then a month later it would change. So that went out the window for me and I started just watching what was happening to make my decisions.
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I'm like you and I have tried to follow the data and information and make the best decisions for myself. To be fair, this was a new coronavirus for us in the US and even well respected experts like Dr. Fauci were still learning by observing and sharing what he thought would benefit the health of the country. With the new variants emerging and so many unvaccinated, it's been difficult for all involved. I'm glad your husband is a trusted source of some information for you, that must be comforting at times. I hope you both stay healthy during this pandemic, I'm thankful my husband and I have not been infected and are fully vaccinated and boosted.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I'm like you and I have tried to follow the data and information and make the best decisions for myself. To be fair, this was a new coronavirus for us in the US and even well respected experts like Dr. Fauci were still learning by observing and sharing what he thought would benefit the health of the country. With the new variants emerging and so many unvaccinated, it's been difficult for all involved. I'm glad your husband is a trusted source of some information for you, that must be comforting at times. I hope you both stay healthy during this pandemic, I'm thankful my husband and I have not been infected and are fully vaccinated and boosted.
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I hope the same for you and your husband. Regardless of what many say with people pulling back , I will not be. I will continue to wear my mask and do what I have to do to feel safe until I feel comfortable enough for myself. No one , including Dr. Fauci, Joe Biden, Dr. Malone or whoever is going to make these health decisions for me.
 
chic said:
Well, the Washington Post wouldn't be kind to him as the same publication was used to discredit the three authors of the Great Barrington declaration. However, Omicron has destroyed the vaccine's reputation for being safe and effective because everybody has contracted covid now, just about, and I recall Dr. F. saying recently that everybody would contract covid. From being exposed to Dr. Malone's dissertations previously, I do know he believes in the possibility of ADE from too many vaccines and from the course this pandemic has taken, I'd have to say he is right about that. The Canadian article I will have to look into because I'm unfamiliar with it. But I am familiar with seeing athletes drop dead on the field. Now we're being told myocarditis is normal in young males? 🤔
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I think you are fully aware of the score Chic, BUT, you will go to any lengths to justify your refusal to have the vaccine.

Childish behavior, reminds me of a kindy kid who stomps on the lollipop her friend is eating, if I can't have it, you can't have it. I am on to you and you know it!!
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Irwin said:
It couldn't have been as politically divisive. Our country hasn't been this bad since the Civil War, and we could very well be verging on another civil war. ....
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chic said:
Because we live under corporatism now. It thrives on making us waste time fighting each other instead of the oligarchy doing this to us.
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Shero said:
When you wrote that, did it make any sense to you? How much sense does it make to anybody else? Another gem of non-sense.
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Sequence of posts above...

@chic was answering Irwin's post about how politically divisive the US is. Her post makes perfect sense in response to his. You no longer live in the US and are not bombarded by the deliberate herding into one or the other of the two major ideological worldviews.

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Brookswood said:
From what I know Dr. Malone has overstated his credentials. But, the other side has been guilty of trying to shut-up anybody who disagrees with them, even knowledgeable medical people who have some facts and logic to back them up. Thus, Dr. Malone has some good company though he himself is suspect in my opinion.

The recent kerfuffle at Spotify where some artists are pulling their music because they disagree with Joe Rogan is as great example of the "let's shut up anybody who disagrees with me" attitude of many people. Personally, I don't think anybody should take any entertainer, social media host, athlete, politician etc. seriously in regards to medical advice. They are no smarter than most of us who post right here. Just because they are famous doesn't mean they really know.

But, trying to shut up the other side just gives them more energy and makes their followers dig in even deeper. Covid and how to manage it has a lot of nuances. Most of these public figures are sadly lacking in understanding the nuances.
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I am against "cancel culture" but Joe Rogan has spewed completely indefensible lies about Covid vaccines. Neil Young and Joni Mitchell have simply chosen to remove their music from Spotify because they believe he is harming those who listen to his podcasts. He was the host of Fear Factor. Have you ever watched it? It was TV for morons. That now makes him an expert in how to treat Covid?

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/...-remove-music-vaccine-disinformation-1290020/
 
dseag2 said:
I am against "cancel culture" but Joe Rogan has spewed completely indefensible lies about Covid vaccines. Neil Young and Joni Mitchell have simply chosen to remove their music from Spotify because they believe he is harming those who listen to his podcasts. He was the host of Fear Factor. Have you ever watched it? It was TV for morons. That now makes him an expert in how to treat Covid?

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/...-remove-music-vaccine-disinformation-1290020/
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Niels Lofgren joined the movement. Good for him! (Who's he?)

Just kidding. He had a hit back in the '70s I think, and is also a guitar player in Bruce Springsteen's band.

Too bad so many Classic Rock artists have sold their catalogs or they'd be able to join in the movement. This is like the anti-war movement of the '60s and '70s. Kill whitey! Oh, wait... wrong cause. Never trust anyone over 30! Power to the people!
 
Murrmurr said:
Also, research scientists asked for the cadavers or tissue samples from cadavers but hospitals weren't allowing it, which is astonishing to me. But finally, like late last year, they started allowing researchers to have actual tissue samples and also they finally started letting certain medical universities do autopsies too. If both those things had been allowed early on, I think lives would have been saved. And policy-makers would have been able to come up with better strategies. This is why some people wonder of they didn't want to.
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^^^ Thinking people look at the whole picture. And also consider possible ulterior motives.
 
Brookswood said:
I am open to new information. Alas, when it comes to the media, both the liberal and conservative sides are driven first and foremost by ratings and profits. Truth is an unfortunate victim, collateral damage. The more flash and gas a source exhibits, the less I trust them.
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You don't trust a source with "Flash & gas?"
Well, you can trust me. I dress casually & don't overdo beans.
 
Shero said:
I think you are fully aware of the score Chic, BUT, you will go to any lengths to justify your refusal to have the vaccine.

Childish behavior, reminds me of a kindy kid who stomps on the lollipop her friend is eating, if I can't have it, you can't have it. I am on to you and you know it!!
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You know nothing about me or my reasons. You've only been here a few months. You're no sage of wisdom and you can't see people's hearts, minds or motives. Now who is childish?
 
SeaBreeze said:
First of all, I have never parroted any government narratives. Also, unlike you, I'm not unreasonably paranoid against our government because I don't fall for ridiculous conspiracies. Not wasting any more time with you and this quack, you have enough information that you have chosen to ignore, your loss not mine. You can continue to follow people like him, Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson Steve Bannon, or whatever other nutters you admire. Keep the scary boogeyment under your bed at night like Dr. Fauci, the CDC, big pharma, deep state, bad gubmint, etc. Good luck.
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Good luck to you also. It may shock you to learn I don't like Steve Bannon or Tucker Carlson and listened to Joe only when he had Dr. Malone on his show. Indeed I do not trust my government anymore because it is no longer run by the people but by major "profit driven" corporations.

I have a ton of snow to shovel so I am not going to argue on this at length. Time will tell which of us has been correct in their assumptions and actions regarding this "pandemic". Peace. 🤗
 
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