Shooting on Greyhound bus

 

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When animals seek to destroy others a bus is a deathtrap.

The Timothy McLean murder.

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www.globalnews.ca/news/4360713/lawsuit-over-greyhound-bus-beheading-in-limbo-10-years-later/

www.ranker.com/list/facts-about-tim-mclean-greyhound/jen-jeffers

https://yourgroundinfo.blogspot.com/2018/06/killing-of-tim-mclean.html

www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/greyhound-beheading-10th-anniversary-1.4760074

www.thecourt.ca/li-mental-disorders-and-criminal-responsibility/

www.thecasualcriminilist.com/podcast/the-greyhound-bus-beheading/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_Mclean

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insanity_defense




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That was very gruesome. I only saw a man getting beheaded once and an aftermath of another. Makes me sick every time I think about it.
 
Alligatorob said:
I had a chance once in Saudi Arabia. I choose not to go and have always been glad I didn't. I did know a couple of guys who went, they seemed to regret it.
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I know it's their culture and everything but I can never understand people outside of it that want to observe that.
 
I remember the events very well because it was in the area where I lived. Apparently, it happened some place near Portage la Prairie, Manitoba. He ended up in the Selkirk Mental home but not for long. He was released on day passes and eventually totally released. The doctors said that "he is ok as long as he takes his medication." OK, says I but what happens if there is no one around to make sure that he takes the medication. Perhaps he gets tired of the medication and goes looking for another nice, big, long and very sharp sword. The society I live in is getting strange. People locked away for years because of petty crimes but guys who kill their wives out in a couple of years on probation. Puzzles me every time.
 
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I know it's their culture and everything but I can never understand people outside of it that want to observe that.
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They caught a couple of guys, Pakistanis I think, trying to smuggle some hashish in. Caught them on a Tuesday and executed them publicly on Friday. Those two never smuggled drugs again... Americans and other westerners guilty of crimes are usually deported, the Saudis don't like dealing with the the political consequences of punishing us.

I am ambivalent on capital punishment, conceptually don't like it, but when you hear the stories of folks on death row its hard not to want them executed... Didn't bother me a bit to see the end of Timothy McVeigh, though you could argue real life in prison would have been worse.

However if a society decides to use capital punishment I think doing it publicly makes some sense. Lets people see what we are doing...
 
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My dad used to recall the sociopathic Vodou and Santeria rituals in Haiti where not only animals were brutally sacrificed but the Tonton Macoute would use these rituals to mask their sickening brutal torture of opponents of Francois Duvalier having been a physician he taught them how to perform morbid torture skills. This included beheading, disemboweling and the worst torture known to humanity was Francois Duvalier's very little mentioned Haitian bag where the victim just exist, can't see, cant hear, cant do anything but they are just aware that they exist. Living examples of betrayal for all to witness just suffered enucleation and limb amputation. Being fairly young I never even considered the horror of such despicable acts like beheading, hanging, enucleation and the Haitian bag until I viewed the Nicholas Berg beheading video that was floating around the internet some years back. The only torture worst then beheading is not being burned alive but just being set on fire and you live which is a common way of local law enforcement not only in Haiti but Africa too.
 
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My dad used to recall the sociopathic Vodou and Santeria rituals in Haiti where not only animals were brutally sacrificed but the Tonton Macoute would use these rituals to mask their sickening brutal torture of opponents of Francois Duvalier having been a physician he taught them how to perform morbid torture skills. This included beheading, disemboweling and the worst torture known to humanity was Francois Duvalier's very little mentioned Haitian bag where the victim just exist, can't see, cant hear, cant do anything but they are just aware that they exist. Living examples of betrayal for all to witness just suffered enucleation and limb amputation. Being fairly young I never even considered the horror of such despicable acts like beheading, hanging, enucleation and the Haitian bag until I viewed the Nicholas Berg beheading video that was floating around the internet some years back. The only torture worst then beheading is not being burned alive but just being set on fire and you live which is a common way of local law enforcement not only in Haiti but Africa too.
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That surely is a fate worse than death. Just reading about this again makes me feel uneasy.
 
Just downright awful. Mental illness is a disease that unfortunately is inflicting so many people in this world today. People are so easy to snap and for no apparent reason or motive at all. It is very sad. I myself have lived through one of these horrible events and it is something that each day comes into my mind. Not only the actual events of that day, but even the possibility of what I could have done better to see some of the signs of those two boys to maybe prevent it from happening. I do think there needs to be a lot more Mental Health awareness in this world today. These sort of events take place way too often and people lose their lives in a senseless manner over it.
 
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Just downright awful. Mental illness is a disease that unfortunately is inflicting so many people in this world today. People are so easy to snap and for no apparent reason or motive at all. It is very sad. I myself have lived through one of these horrible events and it is something that each day comes into my mind. Not only the actual events of that day, but even the possibility of what I could have done better to see some of the signs of those two boys to maybe prevent it from happening. I do think there needs to be a lot more Mental Health awareness in this world today. These sort of events take place way too often and people lose their lives in a senseless manner over it.
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The problem in NYC where I am from is some years ago the New York State Department of Mental Hygiene closed a large number of inpatient mental health facilities and worst yet they defunded many of the regional replacement satellite offices. 99% of the patients were virtually rendered homeless, no financial means to sustain themselves and without much needed medication and therapy. Shame.
 
FastTrax said:
The problem in NYC where I am from is some years ago the New York State Department of Mental Hygiene closed a large number of inpatient mental health facilities and worst yet they defunded many of the regional replacement satellite offices. 99% of the patients were virtually rendered homeless, no financial means to sustain themselves and without much needed medication and therapy. Shame.
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Yes, that has been happening all over the country for many years. :(

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/05/truth-about-deinstitutionalization/618986/
 
FastTrax said:
The problem in NYC where I am from is some years ago the New York State Department of Mental Hygiene closed a large number of inpatient mental health facilities and worst yet they defunded many of the regional replacement satellite offices. 99% of the patients were virtually rendered homeless, no financial means to sustain themselves and without much needed medication and therapy. Shame.
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That is a shame and there is probably if you look really closely into how the money is being used much of it is being used on things that would not benefit the city and the people as much as the more mental health facilities and other programs.
 
Signe The Survivor said:
That is a shame and there is probably if you look really closely into how the money is being used much of it is being used on things that would not benefit the city and the people as much as the more mental health facilities and other programs.
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It's always about the money. On Long Island where I attended school all but one psychiatric hospital was closed and the State is downsizing that one. Within the last 15 years the Fortune 100 real estate developers in the State had a virtual feeding frenzy purchasing the State property for pennies on the dollar and have actually overdeveloped the land with mixed use developments.
 
FastTrax said:
It's always about the money. On Long Island where I attended school all but one psychiatric hospital was closed and the State is downsizing that one. Within the last 15 years the Fortune 100 real estate developers in the State had a virtual feeding frenzy purchasing the State property for pennies on the dollar and have actually overdeveloped the land with mixed use developments.
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It is awful that everything is being bought up by big companies.
 
Hmmm When we toured Papua New Guinea we travelled in one bus with heavy grills over all of the windows and there were two armed guards on the bus which was owned by a firm trading as Guard Dog Tours. We didn't have the dog though, just two big well armed escorts. No troubles from the local raskols.

Perhaps Greyhound needs a new safety plan?
 
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DHS considers Greyhound Bus Lines an International land passenger transportation industry so they have TSA maintain a heavy security presence at all major and some high capacity local bus terminals. Some private security proponents suggest on board video systems that just record in the buses. Even if those system were monitored in real time transmitting to a central monitoring station all they would do is record a passenger getting assaulted or worst, killed.
 

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