What can the world do to punish Russia?

In 1939 little peace loving Finland took on the mighty Russia.. when Russia attempted to take some of Finlands' land for their own purposes... .The fins despite being totally outnumbered by the Russian army.. put up the fight of their lives, and Russia altho technically won, and gained 11 percent of Finlands' land, ... came away with a Bloody Nose.. and knew they'd been in a fight..
Finland retained the rest of their country as a free land after signing the treaty of Moscow ..but they weren't about to forget Russia's unwarranted attack on them, so the following year in 1941, unable to get help from Britain or France, Finland Joined with Germany against the Russians....

My point being that Ukraine is just as determined as Finland was back in the day , and I believe Russia will know they've been in a fight with Ukraine ....
 
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Fury was mounting today over the EU's weak and divided attempts to sanction Russia over the invasion of Ukraine, as it was revealed the Italian PM demanded and got an exemption for his country's luxury goods industry .

Mario Draghi was accused of prioritising posh shoes over punishing Putin as EU nations 'disgraced themselves' with a failure to take a hardline approach to sanctions against Russia.

They were accused of frustrating British and American efforts to kick Russia out of the world's biggest financial payments system.

In a call with G7 leaders yesterday, Boris Johnson pressed the case for suspending Russia from Swift, which is used to conduct about half of its international trade.

But the move was kicked into the long grass because of opposition from a number of EU countries, US president Joe Biden suggested.

Sources told the Telegraph today that Draghi won the exemption for Italian luxury goods like shoes and designer clothes, saying: 'Apparently selling Gucci loafers to oligarchs is more of a priority than hitting back at Putin.'

Polish politician Donald Tusk, who grew up behind the Iron Curtain, lashed out at Germany, Hungary and Italy for blocking Brussels from taking a hardline approach to Putin.

Additionally, French finance minister Bruno Le Maire said today that the option of cutting off Russia from Swift remained open, but that he viewed this only as a last resort.

Ukraine yesterday urged the West to trigger the move, with foreign minister Dmytro Kuleba warning that those who refused would have 'blood on their hands'.

Today President Volodymyr Zelenskyy demanded greater 'pressure' be placed on Russia as the capital Kyiv came under attack.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-Moscow-Swift-global-bank-payment-system.html
 

JimBob1952 said:
One thing the Russians probably didn't think of is the Ukrainians hitting back inside Russia. That seems to be happening.

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-military-base-blown-ukraine-fights-back-1682558
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Interesting if true because the railroad stations are filled with people leaving Kyiv and other cities. If Ukrainians won't fight for their own country then what's the use of Americans fighting for them as so many are suggesting today? South Vietnamese, Iraqis, and Afghans who were loyal to the puppet governments imposed by the US fled rather than fight. As a result the US lost all three wars. That's what would happen today if the USA intervened.

Stay out of the war and fix the problems we have here.
 
The only way to stop Putin is to cut his cash flow from energy by dropping the price of oil back to $30 a barrel. Could be done with the stroke of a pen. Europe cut it’s own throat with their energy dealings, and will not do anything.
 
hollydolly said:
My point being that Ukraine is just as determined as Finland was back in the day , and I believe Russia will know they've been in a fight with Ukraine ....
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I hope you're right, I think that soldiers defending their homeland fight harder, look at:
Afghanistan vs the U.S.
Afghanistan vs the Soviets
Vietnam vs the U.S.
Edit: I can tell you this- I may be an old man but if enemy invaders show up outside, they'll be leaving in body bags.
 
Nathan said:
I hope you're right, I think that soldiers defending their homeland fight harder, look at:
Afghanistan vs the U.S.
Afghanistan vs the Soviets
Vietnam vs the U.S.
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I sincerely hope I'm right too tbh... but I think if it was just sheer bravery that won a battle , Ukraine would win hands down.. unfrotunately it's not, and they're so outnumbered, and neither do they have the technical advances that Russia has at their disposal but I'm still praying for a miracle for them...
 
bingo said:
oh....i went further...i never take second hand info...you can research yourself...then conclude..
good day
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I don't have enough to start researching. I need something to begin with like a location.
Biolab is too vague. Help please.

Edit - OK I did take the only clue given in post #86 - US bio weapons labs - and I found something but I doubt it's truthfulness because of the way it depicts the Ukrainians surrendering to the Russians without offering any resistance, Truth is usually the first casualty of war and we are wise to be sceptical.

It would appear that the Twitter post has been removed.

The full article can be read here, but it sounds like Russian propaganda to me.
US bioweapons labs in Ukraine: What will Russia find in the labs? (nutritruth.org)

Reports from the first day of the Russian military operation in Ukraine show that the Ukrainian army does not have much to counter the Russian forces. The Ukrainian army was heavily armed by NATO, but since most Ukrainian soldiers were conscripted to serve against their will, their fighting spirit seems to be decidedly low. In many places it is reported that the Russian army met no resistance at the border and was literally waved through by the Ukrainian forces.​


Where fighting has occurred, Ukrainian soldiers have waved white flags. This is not true everywhere, but it seems to have happened very frequently. However, the so-called volunteer battalions in particular, composed of volunteer Ukrainian nationalists, are probably resisting fiercely.​


Russia reports that there is no longer a functioning military airport in Ukraine and that a great deal of weaponry, especially anti-aircraft and artillery, was destroyed in the first few hours. The shooting down of several Turkish-made Bayraktar drones was also reported. CNN filmed Russian soldiers allegedly occupying Kiev airport.​


This would make sense, as Russia has announced that one of the goals of the military operation is to denazify Ukraine. Apparently, the occupation of civilian airports is intended to limit the ability of those responsible in Ukraine to escape.​

U.S. bioweapons labs in Ukraine.​

I have often reported that the U.S., more specifically the Pentagon, operates several bioweapons labs in Ukraine. The last time I reported on this was on January 27. The U.S. has always refused international inspections of its labs, so no one knows what they are researching in these labs. But we can assume that Russian special forces will take a closer look at these labs in the coming days.​


And this seems to be exactly a can of worms. A tweet was published on Twitter about this and the user was immediately blocked. I won’t go into the content of the tweet, which can still be found in an Internet archive. If you are interested, you can view it here [1].​


My point is that Twitter was so quick to delete a tweet and its author merely because he pointed out that there are U.S. bioweapons labs in Ukraine and that it looks like their capture is one of the important targets of the Russian military operation.​

Who Russia Still Seeks in Ukraine​

Russian President Putin said the following in his address to the nation on Monday about the Odessa tragedy of May 2014, in which nearly 50 people were burned alive by radical Maidan supporters and which has never been solved in Ukraine:​


“The criminals who committed this atrocity have not been punished and no one is looking for them. But we know their names and will do everything to punish them, find them and bring them to justice.”​


Considering that the Russian army is also on its way to Odessa, some people there might be getting very nervous right now and trying to leave the city quickly.​


The same goes for the radical neo-Nazis who are in power in Ukraine. On Russian television, Russian officials say that they also want to hold those responsible for other crimes, for example in the Donbass [2], accountable.​

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Last year the people in Catalonia Spain with President Puigdemont declared independence from Madrid. The entire world looked the other way as fascist police attacked peaceful protesters. When Mr Puigdmeont fled the rest of Europe helped Madrid hunt him down and arrest him.

Where the hell was the USA and the UN?

Why didn't any country invade Spain, bomb Madrid, arrest the falangist government, throw the king into prison, and give the Catalonians the freedom they wanted?

Why the double standards???
 
oldiebutgoody said:
Where the hell was the USA and the UN?

Why didn't any country invade Spain, bomb Madrid, arrest the falangist government, throw the king into prison, and give the Catalonians the freedom they wanted?

Why the double standards???
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Because, Putin has let the world know in no uncertain terms that Russia has enough nuclear power to finish anything off. Any country acting foolishly can encourage this unhinged man to push the button.
 
A Ukrainian presidential adviser said Ukraine had lost control of the Chernobyl nuclear site in the north, where fighting raged after Russian troops crossed the border from Belarus. The adviser said authorities did not know the current condition of the facilities at the site of the world’s worst nuclear disaster.

Ukraine’s interior ministry warned that if artillery fire was to hit waste stored after the 1986 disaster, it could lead to “radioactive nuclear dust” being spread “over the territory of Ukraine, Belarus and the countries of the EU”

Below a video from France24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFtS3NjWsdc
 
Shero said:
A Ukrainian presidential adviser said Ukraine had lost control of the Chernobyl nuclear site in the north, where fighting raged after Russian troops crossed the border from Belarus. The adviser said authorities did not know the current condition of the facilities at the site of the world’s worst nuclear disaster.

Ukraine’s interior ministry warned that if artillery fire was to hit waste stored after the 1986 disaster, it could lead to “radioactive nuclear dust” being spread “over the territory of Ukraine, Belarus and the countries of the EU”
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That does not sound good
 
oldiebutgoody said:
Last year the people in Catalonia Spain with President Puigdemont declared independence from Madrid. The entire world looked the other way as fascist police attacked peaceful protesters. When Mr Puigdmeont fled the rest of Europe helped Madrid hunt him down and arrest him.

Where the hell was the USA and the UN?

Why didn't any country invade Spain, bomb Madrid, arrest the falangist government, throw the king into prison, and give the Catalonians the freedom they wanted?

Why the double standards???
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..but Catalonia is IN Spain. Would you like Indiana..or Texas to declare Independence and then demand why the UN don't order the bombing of Washington and the arrest of the President when the Independence is denied ?
 
Fact check: False claim of US biolabs in Ukraine tied to Russian disinformation campaign

The posts on Facebook misrepresent a treaty between the U.S. and Ukraine aimed at preventing biological threats. The labs in question are owned and funded by the Ukrainian government, according to the Security Service of Ukraine, the country's main security agency.
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hollydolly said:
..but Catalonia is IN Spain. Would you like Indiana..or Texas to declare Independence and then demand why the UN don't order the bombing of Washington and the arrest of the President when the Independence is denied ?
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Catalonia existed for hundreds of years before it was conquered by Madrid. If they had no right to secede from Spain then Ukraine has no right to secede from Russia. Same with Taiwan seceding from Beijing.
 

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