JonSR77
Senior Member
not blaming anyone. Just giving folks a heads up. How would you have known? No possible way you would have. I just found out myself.
San Francisco boycotts over half of the USA.
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Lethe200
Senior Member
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- San Francisco Bay Area
Jimbob,
Well darn, I was having a lot of fun answering your posts! I always think it's interesting how people view CA. No, it certainly isn't everyone's cup of tea. But isn't that what makes the world a more interesting place? As my mother liked to say, nothing wrong with going to visit somewhere, even if you wouldn't want to live there!
Let's face it, if you were to ask someone from another state how they envision CA, you'd probably hear "San Francisco....Los Angeles....Disneyland....ummm, Hollywood....?" SF's name and public persona is so ubiquitous, many don't realize to us living here, SF is like that nutty Uncle Elmer whom the five year olds love, but every once in a while tells those cringe-inducing stories at the dinner table.
We call it The City, but truth is, the majority of SFBA and NorCA never, or at most seldom, ever go there (Okay, they do have the Warriors and the Giants, so if you wanna go see pro basketball & baseball, you've got to get on that BART train and go thru the Tube). NorCA foodies can happily applaud our Michelin-starred restaurants, even as we take for granted that half of them aren't anywhere within sight of SF proper!
Don't forget that the majority of counties in CA actually are "red" counties. It's simply that 90% of people in the state live in a major metropolitan area - CA is slightly above average here, the US average is 80% in cities - and then in coastal CA, it shifts to "blue". Which is not unique; it's happening in other states as well: Arizona, Texas, the Carolinas, et. al.
Mass shootings don't necessarily happen in big cities - in fact the majority of them do not. I think we are both confusing mass shootings stats with urban crime stats, and the two are very different. I used mass shooting stats as an example that crime everywhere, even in suburban towns and small cities, happens these days. Sad and tragic, but true.
Urban crime is usually burglary and theft, murder, drug dealing, etc. Now, you also see these everywhere, even in "nice" places, but in a crowded city you'll see them a lot more. It's simply a fact, I feel safer in the SFBA than I ever did in Chicago, unless I was walking around the Gold Coast or Miracle Mile.
And to be honest, as a PoC with a lot of LGBT pals, there are a lot of places now where I would very much NOT feel overly comfortable. Again sad, but true.
Well darn, I was having a lot of fun answering your posts! I always think it's interesting how people view CA. No, it certainly isn't everyone's cup of tea. But isn't that what makes the world a more interesting place? As my mother liked to say, nothing wrong with going to visit somewhere, even if you wouldn't want to live there!
Let's face it, if you were to ask someone from another state how they envision CA, you'd probably hear "San Francisco....Los Angeles....Disneyland....ummm, Hollywood....?" SF's name and public persona is so ubiquitous, many don't realize to us living here, SF is like that nutty Uncle Elmer whom the five year olds love, but every once in a while tells those cringe-inducing stories at the dinner table.
We call it The City, but truth is, the majority of SFBA and NorCA never, or at most seldom, ever go there (Okay, they do have the Warriors and the Giants, so if you wanna go see pro basketball & baseball, you've got to get on that BART train and go thru the Tube). NorCA foodies can happily applaud our Michelin-starred restaurants, even as we take for granted that half of them aren't anywhere within sight of SF proper!
Don't forget that the majority of counties in CA actually are "red" counties. It's simply that 90% of people in the state live in a major metropolitan area - CA is slightly above average here, the US average is 80% in cities - and then in coastal CA, it shifts to "blue". Which is not unique; it's happening in other states as well: Arizona, Texas, the Carolinas, et. al.
Mass shootings don't necessarily happen in big cities - in fact the majority of them do not. I think we are both confusing mass shootings stats with urban crime stats, and the two are very different. I used mass shooting stats as an example that crime everywhere, even in suburban towns and small cities, happens these days. Sad and tragic, but true.
Urban crime is usually burglary and theft, murder, drug dealing, etc. Now, you also see these everywhere, even in "nice" places, but in a crowded city you'll see them a lot more. It's simply a fact, I feel safer in the SFBA than I ever did in Chicago, unless I was walking around the Gold Coast or Miracle Mile.
And to be honest, as a PoC with a lot of LGBT pals, there are a lot of places now where I would very much NOT feel overly comfortable. Again sad, but true.
JimBob1952
Senior Member
Hey Lethe,
You're a smart person and I enjoyed your posts. The realities on the ground are always different from the way outsiders like me see them. I just get flagged a lot for being too political, so thought I would break off before that happened.
I didn't know that you are a person of color, but appreciate that perspective as well.
Take care
You're a smart person and I enjoyed your posts. The realities on the ground are always different from the way outsiders like me see them. I just get flagged a lot for being too political, so thought I would break off before that happened.
I didn't know that you are a person of color, but appreciate that perspective as well.
Take care
Old&InTheWay
Member
The country has gone crazy,,,and SF is way in front of the pack. It is SO ironic that Berekely USED to be the zenith of free speech...now they are the zenith of censorship. The extreme liberals are very draconian and unable to even allow another opinion. Just ask who is banning the books now. 40 years ago it was the religious right....now it is woke left wing school boards....sorry, sad and true.
StarSong
Awkward is my Superpower
- Location
- Los Angeles Suburbs
Not sure where you're getting your information.
According to search engines, the state of CA is the #1 tourist destination state in the US for both domestic and international travelers.
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-most-popular-us-states-for-tourism-2014-10?op=1
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-most-visited-states-in-the-us.html
StarSong
Awkward is my Superpower
- Location
- Los Angeles Suburbs
The only Berkeley book banning info I can find on the web (short search, I admit) is in Berkeley County, South Carolina. Not Berkeley California. If you have information to the contrary, please cite your source.
Nathan
SF VIP
- Location
- High Desert- Calif.
My take is that the haters are envious of the great weather and personal freedom to be yourself, which is the very essence of living here.
Someone said- "California was called the "land of the fruits and nuts"...yes, and it is well known which Eastern states those fruits & nuts relocated from.
California needs a warning label on the roads at the state line.This thread reminds me of this...
California has their warning labels stuck on everything from foods to a fish statue I bought at Homegoods once that said the chemicals used to make the statue could cause cancer. Of course I'd touched it...only way to read the label underneath...too late
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Remy
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- California, USA
I listen to KGO Newstalk out of SF a lot. Haven't heard this mentioned. They are liberal leaning.
San Francisco was a beautiful city. I remember walking from downtown to the piers by myself in 1990. No one bothered me. I wouldn't do that there today. At any age.
BTW I'm a native Californian and people can move where they want. I wish more would leave. Maybe it would help the property prices.
San Francisco was a beautiful city. I remember walking from downtown to the piers by myself in 1990. No one bothered me. I wouldn't do that there today. At any age.
BTW I'm a native Californian and people can move where they want. I wish more would leave. Maybe it would help the property prices.
I love California, I've spent many vacations out there, beautiful scenery, wonderful weather.
California has some of the best environmental laws in the country, they protect their coastline and the marine life.
I can understand why it is the number one tourist destination in the US.
California has some of the best environmental laws in the country, they protect their coastline and the marine life.
I can understand why it is the number one tourist destination in the US.
JimBob1952
Senior Member
Hmm....wildfires, drought, earthquakes, rampant crime, homelessness, exorbitant prices for housing and fuel, highest taxes in the country, crappy public school system, intrusive state and local government, one-party rule...there is so much to be jealous about!
Nathan
SF VIP
- Location
- High Desert- Calif.
Don't be jealous, just because you swallow the hate California news feed, rest assured, someone out there has focused on the dirty linen in your area as well.
Nathan
SF VIP
- Location
- High Desert- Calif.
I agree, should read: "no simpletons beyond this point".
oldpop
Member
- Location
- Inner Space
The freedom we have enjoyed in the U.S.A. is slowly or maybe quickly slipping away. I hope the young people are paying attention. Hmmm, I think I will go watch Gilligan's Island on the TV.
Nathan
SF VIP
- Location
- High Desert- Calif.
Not a news source, just a commercial site to gather sign-ups to sell services for benefits brokers.
Lethe200
Senior Member
- Location
- San Francisco Bay Area
Just because someone wouldn't want to live in a specific state, doesn't mean s/he hates the people IN that state. There's a lovely woman on one of the other forums I visit, who posts the good and bad about living in Chicago IL.
Being from Chicago, I absolutely refuse to consider moving back - jeez, that weather is killer! - but because I know Chicago, I can completely understand why she lives there. Not just family and friends, but her hobbies and preferred activities - she and her spouse enjoy a good life together.
BTW, she loves temperate weather, and her second home was a condo in HI. Eventually due to health reasons they needed to simplify their life, and when it came to a choice of where to live full-time, they both wanted to stay in the Midwest.
Now, if I didn't know Chicago well, I might think she was nuts - picking Chicago over HAWAII?? But it works for them and they're happy....and isn't that what everyone hopes for?
Being from Chicago, I absolutely refuse to consider moving back - jeez, that weather is killer! - but because I know Chicago, I can completely understand why she lives there. Not just family and friends, but her hobbies and preferred activities - she and her spouse enjoy a good life together.
BTW, she loves temperate weather, and her second home was a condo in HI. Eventually due to health reasons they needed to simplify their life, and when it came to a choice of where to live full-time, they both wanted to stay in the Midwest.
Now, if I didn't know Chicago well, I might think she was nuts - picking Chicago over HAWAII?? But it works for them and they're happy....and isn't that what everyone hopes for?
StarSong
Awkward is my Superpower
- Location
- Los Angeles Suburbs
Your point is well made @Lethe200.
My mother (may her sweet soul now be in a place of joy and peace) was a wise woman. She told her children that every place on the planet has its own charms, delicious foods, and good, kind people. When traveling or meeting people from other places, she advised us to be gracious and embrace the best they have to offer.
While not as well traveled as many on this forum, I've had my share of trips in the US and abroad. Every place I've visited had much to enjoy and little for me to complain about. I focused on the positive then and now.
In life, people are about as happy as they make their minds up to be. Some seek out the sweetest of life's fruits to fuel their good cheer, others search for and suck on the sourest lemons they can find. That's as true of travel and satisfaction with where one lives as it is with everything else.
My advice: if you don't like California (or any other place on the planet), please don't feel compelled to visit. We'll try to tough it out without you.
My mother (may her sweet soul now be in a place of joy and peace) was a wise woman. She told her children that every place on the planet has its own charms, delicious foods, and good, kind people. When traveling or meeting people from other places, she advised us to be gracious and embrace the best they have to offer.
While not as well traveled as many on this forum, I've had my share of trips in the US and abroad. Every place I've visited had much to enjoy and little for me to complain about. I focused on the positive then and now.
In life, people are about as happy as they make their minds up to be. Some seek out the sweetest of life's fruits to fuel their good cheer, others search for and suck on the sourest lemons they can find. That's as true of travel and satisfaction with where one lives as it is with everything else.
My advice: if you don't like California (or any other place on the planet), please don't feel compelled to visit. We'll try to tough it out without you.
Timewise 60+
Senior Member
JimBob....BINGO! You win the prize...you 'Get It'!
Nathan
SF VIP
- Location
- High Desert- Calif.
Exactly!
Timewise 60+
Senior Member
Yep, we used to be frequent visitors...but have now avoided California for over 25 years as have all our family members...Have a great day!Exactly!
StarSong
Awkward is my Superpower
- Location
- Los Angeles Suburbs
Glad you found places that suit you better.
Timewise 60+
Senior Member
Yep...everywhere!
David777
Well-known Member
- Location
- Silicon Valley
SF politics are and have been for decades abysmal. Current homelessness, open drug use, and property crime are epidemic. That noted, there are reasons The City is still regardless one of the top destinations for world and USA tourists.
One of my favorite occasional day activities is driving the 55 miles north to the north shore of San Francisco where I park for free at the relatively safe from smash and grab activity, open grassy lawns of Marina Green lots and then walk the fascinating hilly streets, especially the waterfront eastward. The north shore streets along a Pacific bay with the towering Golden Gate bridge rising to the west, full of ships, boat, sailboats, history at every turn, are full young people walking, jogging, bicycling, skateboarding, pushing baby strollers. The City is a unique old world like city, marine cool often foggy all times of year, with narrow streets, multistory buildings throughout. A world wide ethnic mix, a place unlike any other cities in my native California.
One of my favorite occasional day activities is driving the 55 miles north to the north shore of San Francisco where I park for free at the relatively safe from smash and grab activity, open grassy lawns of Marina Green lots and then walk the fascinating hilly streets, especially the waterfront eastward. The north shore streets along a Pacific bay with the towering Golden Gate bridge rising to the west, full of ships, boat, sailboats, history at every turn, are full young people walking, jogging, bicycling, skateboarding, pushing baby strollers. The City is a unique old world like city, marine cool often foggy all times of year, with narrow streets, multistory buildings throughout. A world wide ethnic mix, a place unlike any other cities in my native California.
StarSong
Awkward is my Superpower
- Location
- Los Angeles Suburbs
We get it. You hate California. {{shrug}}
Nathan
SF VIP
- Location
- High Desert- Calif.
Lara: That would be the "land of the ORGANIC fruits and nuts."
@senior chef , @JimBob1952, @Lara, @JonSR77, @Old&InTheWay, Sorry if I missed anybody, just wanted to thank you for sharing your Internet bullying comments so that we all know who you really are.
You are invited to post some of the “hightlights” of your state or region. Perhaps you’re particularly proud of your home state’s efforts in passing voter suppression laws, or anti-LBGTQ legislation. Or is your state or locale noted for rewriting history, to downplay the accomplishments of non-whites, as well as public figures who happen to be on the other side of the political isle.
Some states efforts at enforcing one religion as 'the' official way(contrary to the U.S.Constitution) are resembling the Taliban and Iranian Islamic Republic.
Or, perhaps the hail-storms-tornados-flooding-hurricanes and such are just so much more appealing than California’s drought-wildfires-earthquakes etc.
C’mon, share what you got!
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