What do you think about God's forgiveness?

Mr. Ed

Mr. Ed

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First, one must define God? If your God is the Christian version of God, God is likely interpreted as Fatherly and similar to family provider, leader, head of family, and guide. Seeking forgiveness from a Christian standpoint would be from a Christian God. I don't know about other Gods or beliefs outside of Christianity. It is safe to assume seeking godly forgiveness comes from the God we choose.

I'm Christian. At least that's how I got started. Nowadays, Christian rituals and beliefs seem like science fiction. Communion symbolically comprises of eating the body of Christ and drinking his blood in remembrance of Him. No matter how you phrase it, it is cannibalism.

Christians are to believe everything in the bible without questioning its content. Unless the bible is wrong or misleading, Christians should never question biblical authority unless free thought is an option.
 

My understanding is that communion. Is “in remembrance “ of What Jesus did on the cross for us. He gave his body, blood…..his life for us. For your sins to be forgiven all you need to do is confess and to accept Jesus as your Savior.
 

God forgives with the admonishment ...to go and sin no more.'
Then there is the 'seven times seventy,' which applies to you in your involvement with others.

Cannibalism-really? An incendiary word in error
Transformation Ed-you owe it to your readers to get the terms right; then there is Romans 12:3
 
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I have spent decades learning about almost every spiritual tradition, practice, belief and religion....seems to me, unless one has slipped my remembrance, in our more modern times, Catholics, Christians, Jews , and Muslims are the only four that have a need/requirement to beg/ask for forgiveness. Rastafarianism might also.
Some ancient religions also did..the Eqyptians come to mind as one who did.

I think that actual, very real, tangible change in behavior, actions and attitude is important. Not asking some spirit being for forgiveness.
Just asking forgiveness accomplishes absolutely nothing.

Just one of many possible examples: the Mafia goes to confession and asks for forgiveness for murdering their competing mafia group but then turns around and does it again. And again and again....:rolleyes:
 
Hard for me to believe in a God that allows innocent little children to be abused and does not protect them.. Forget about forgiveness. I'd much rather see some protection of little children. But the Bible does not talk about that. In fact, the Bible says, "Spare the rod. Spoil the child". Seems to me that the Bible not only supports abuse of children, it actually encourages it.
 
Mr. Ed said:
First, one must define God? If your God is the Christian version of God, God is likely interpreted as Fatherly and similar to family provider, leader, head of family, and guide. Seeking forgiveness from a Christian standpoint would be from a Christian God. I don't know about other Gods or beliefs outside of Christianity. It is safe to assume seeking godly forgiveness comes from the God we choose.

I'm Christian. At least that's how I got started. Nowadays, Christian rituals and beliefs seem like science fiction. Communion symbolically comprises of eating the body of Christ and drinking his blood in remembrance of Him. No matter how you phrase it, it is cannibalism.

Christians are to believe everything in the bible without questioning its content. Unless the bible is wrong or misleading, Christians should never question biblical authority unless free thought is an option.
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Jesus did not say that, perhaps some extreme leaning fundamentalist group pushes that idea.

Regarding God's forgiveness: God knows what you feel in your heart, and whether you're sincere. Regarding forgiveness of others: forgiveness of those who have wronged you is for your own benefit, so as not to harbor bitter feelings which consume your sanity.
 
You are only forgiven if you are genuinely sorry for what you have done. You still face punishment though and you should make recompense to the victim.
The Catholic church has it wrong when they tell you that confession absolves you of all your sins...it doesn't.
The Jews were taught that they could transfer their sins to an animal. If the animal was killed, their sins were dissolved. This is where the idea of Jesus being the sacrificial lamb comes from. Again, it is wrong. Jesus died to prove that life continues after death.
 
Well we really don't know do we and regardless of how certain some may sound about the matter, regardless of their authority, God has probably not dictated whatever to them. So a person who seeks eternal life ought be very careful. If as many expect, that we fleshly organic creatures are all finitely mortal, it doesn't matter, so they can just ignore the matter.

I would take how any Christian denominations interpret God's forgiveness with caution because churches have had agendas in religious matters that are self serving and sometimes changed over centuries. Some will spout one just needs to be sincerely sorry on one's death bed regardless of what one did in their life. But then common sense considering extreme evil cases, would tend to point to such black and white thinking being nonsense. Churches by preaching how anyone regardless of how evil just needs to come into their congregation have a potential self serving agenda.

Following the Ten Commandments, The Golden Rule, helping others, and especially regularly praying, long enough till such becomes part of one's being is certain to go a long ways. And I would add actually being part of a religious community of others regardless of how much of their dogma one strongly believes is part of what Jesus asked. The gospel of John clearly indicates what Jesus related was necessary. I personally see much value in both the Old and New Testaments, though don't believe in inerrancy. After Jesus was Resurrected and seen by enough followers per Acts, I suspect the Father's plans changed from an imminent end of times for humans to one of continuing. Having to step in would have been immensely distasteful and tragic. That may be why Jesus then selected Paul (Saul) who could write down what Peter and his Apostles didn't have the educational background to do. As such Romans is a valuable book to read for believers seeking eternal life.
 
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My understanding is that communion. Is “in remembrance “ of What Jesus did on the cross for us. He gave his body, blood…..his life for us. For your sins to be forgiven all you need to do is confess and to accept Jesus as your Savior.
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Yes, as I remember communion was done in memory of Jesus. He requested it so. I also believe it was celebrated as a tool to bring early Christians together creating unity amongst them hence the word - communion.
 
Mr. Ed said:
Communion symbolically comprises of eating the body of Christ and drinking his blood in remembrance of Him. No matter how you phrase it, it is cannibalism.
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I know you can't possibly be serious Mr. Ed. Perhaps you are using sensationalism to amp up the discussion? Well, you got a post from me to sort it out for those you've confused.

Of course Christians aren't Cannibals. You say you are a Christian in post #1 (but now seem confused about whether or not you are now) so then you know very well Christians drink grape juice or wine to to represent Christ sacrificing his life as a payment for the punishment of sin...out of Love for us. "Do this in remembrance" of what Jesus did for us. Please don't try to make an act of remembering how much we're Loved into something ugly.
 
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Hard for me to believe in a God that allows innocent little children to be abused and does not protect them.. Forget about forgiveness. I'd much rather see some protection of little children. But the Bible does not talk about that. In fact, the Bible says, "Spare the rod. Spoil the child". Seems to me that the Bible not only supports abuse of children, it actually encourages it.
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Regardless of all the above mentioned life happens, and I do not believe some sort of deity is responsible, in this case, God. God is the whole of what is. I do not humanize God because God is. Understanding this becomes problematic when people tie their emotions to every-day occurrences such as infant death, sickness and poverty in the way these things affect them personally.

While you may consider death of a friend or family member tragic, but if I don't know your friend or family member, his or her death may not affect me the way it could affect you. On that note, sure bad things happen only because we interpret them as bad things. However, in reality, this world would not or could not exist without hurricanes, death and illnesses. You may see the world as imperfect? The world is perfect, doing exactly as it is supposed to do. What if the world malfunctioned? Would we even know?
 
My wife works for a major Catholic University. I can confirm that the priest community is involved in massive cannibalistic acts. Most with children. But we do like to keep it secret so that the general public does not think we are, you know, "weird" or anything.

We give all the college athletes the blood to drink. It increases their performance exponentially.

Mr. Ed actually conducts one of our "Sushi out of Children" seminars, in the fall. We have been asking him to increase the fee, because it so popular that it gets filled up quickly. But, Mr. Ed, is a man of profound noble intention and refuses to take more money.

"I like kids," Mr. Ed invoked, "especially the freshly dead that we make the sushi out of."
 
Oh, by the way, Mr. Ed..... Jesus told me to tell you, as payment for your comedic thread, he is going to give you athlete's foot, indigestion for a week and strange dreams of wanting to date Tammy Faye Baker/ Messner / Merkat.
 
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JonSR77 said:
My wife works for a major Catholic University. I can confirm that the priest community is involved in massive cannibalistic acts. Most with children. But we do like to keep it secret so that the general public does not think we are, you know, "weird" or anything.

We give all the college athletes the blood to drink. It increases their performance exponentially.

Mr. Ed is actually conducts one of our "Sushi out of Children" seminars, in the fall. We have been asking him to increase the fee, because it so popular that it gets filled up quickly. But, Mr. Ed, is a man of profound noble intention and refuses to take more money.

"I like kids," Mr. Ed invoked, "especially the freshly dead that we make the sushi out of."
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Nice! except I don't like kids. Perhaps a heart of wisdom will suffice?
 
JonSR77 said:
Oh, by the way, Mr. Ed..... Jesus told me to tell you, as payment for your comedic thread, he is going to give you athlete's foot, indigestion for a week and strange dreams of wanting to date Tammy Faye Baker/ Messner / Merkat.
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Wow such tragedy, these must be the 5 plagues
 
Capt Lightning said:
As an Atheist, I find it meaningless to talk of God's forgiveness. Forgiveness is also meaningless if the perpetrator of the wrongdoing is not truly repentant.
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Had a friend who would apologize profusely. The problem was he kept making the same mistakes over and over. I just had to tell him that I'd really appreciate it if he'd just stop making those mistakes instead of saying sorry because it ain't worth none.
 
Capt Lightning said:
As an Atheist, I find it meaningless to talk of God's forgiveness. Forgiveness is also meaningless if the perpetrator of the wrongdoing is not truly repentant.
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Thought I would share, since you are a Scot. My old gal, Ann, went to Catholic school. Got kicked out. Guess why? Got fed up with one of the dictator penguins and knocked that nun out, cold stone unconscious.

Just sharing the lesson I learned from this...never annoy a Scot.
 

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