Where did all the workers go?

This is a repost from about 2 years ago. It seems before Covid, we had workers, then Covid -no workers. When I originally posted, there were comments that everybody was living of the government dole, and were quite content to do so. Well, those dole days are history. I just drove through our industrial park. There were big banners, signs everywhere. HIRING, HIRING HIRING HIRING. It sounds like if you could drag your body over the threshold, you'd be hired. So, where are our workers?
 

Restaurants have signs up in my area that orders may take longer due to limited staff. That’s amazing, since they are starting people at $15 an hour, yet jobs still go begging for applicants!
 
Pretty tough for many to live on $15 an hour. Mike




One recent study shows $15 an hour isn't enough to secure affordable housing in most U.S. states. Nationally, someone would need to make $17.90 an hour to rent a one-bedroom apartment or $22.10 an hour to cover a two-bedroom home, according to analysis from the National Low Income Housing Coalition.

Renters across the country earn an average hourly rate of $16.88, the report estimated, showing that people earning well above the $15 level often struggle to afford housing. Those findings are based on the standard budgeting concept of spending a maximum of 30 percent of one's income on housing alone.

Another analysis from Massachusetts Institute of Technology researchers Carey Anne Nadeau and Amy K. Glasmeier found in the U.S. as a whole, it took $16.07 an hour before taxes in 2017 for a family of four with two working adults to reach the living wage threshold. That's up from $15.84 in 2016.

Location matters -- a lot​

How far that living wage goes financially can vary tremendously according to where you live. In San Francisco, a family of four would need to earn $39.33 an hour combined to reach the threshold. In Charleston, West Virginia, that threshold is $23.03 for a family of four, though a single adult needs to earn $10.02, according to MIT.


The current federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour "does not provide a living wage for most American families," according to the MIT analysis. A family of four with two working adults and two children "needs to work nearly four full-time minimum-wage jobs (a 76-hour work week per working adult) to earn a living wage," the report said.

Single-parent families have to work almost twice as much to reach the same mark.

A single mother with two children earning the federal minimum of $7.25 per hour would need to work nearly 24 hours a day for six days a week, or 144 hours a week, to earn that living wage, the researchers found.

But even at $15 an hour, life doesn't get a whole lot easier. Two adults who work 40 hours a week each and earn $15 an hour make $62,400 before taxes.

That's below what the Economic Policy Institute calculates as a living wage for most of the country. Brownsville, Texas was the least expensive, according the EPI's calculator, at $58,906. For Madison, Wisconsin, the EPI calculator shows that a family of four, with two working adults, would need to earn $88,283. The figure gets higher along most of the coasts and many places in between, with San Francisco topping the list at $148,439.

Amazon effect

In announcing its pay hike earlier this month, Amazon also said it will lobby for an increase in the federal minimum wage. In the meantime, with unemployment at a 49-year low, other employers may have to follow Amazon's lead on wages because it's such a big company it can force them to compete for workers, said Heidi Shierholz, senior economist and director of policy at the EPI.



An across-the-board national pay standard could blunt arguments by competitors that hiking their wages hurts them competitively, she said in an interview with CBS MoneyWatch.


"That's the beauty of a labor standard -- everyone is doing it," said Shierholz, formerly chief economist at the Department of Labor during the Obama administration. "When you raise your wages in a vacuum -- when no one else is doing it -- then you have to worry about a competitive disadvantage. Not when everyone is doing it. That's the argument for raising the floor nationally."

Many states, however, aren't waiting for Washington to act. At least 33 states proposed minimum wage increases in 2017, according to the National Association of State Legislatures. Rhode Island was the only state to pass an increase. Another 32 states are proposing a boost in 2018. As of July, only Massachusetts and Delaware had completed the measures.

Working without a net​

The gap between minimum wages and a real living wage leaves many Americans depending on the country's social safety net to provide needed help. But the U.S. doesn't offer enough support to pick up the slack in many cases.

Food insecurity -- or not having enough food because of a lack of money or other resources -- is a way of life for almost one in eight Americans. That rate remains higher than before the Great Recession, when the figure was slightly more than one in 10, according to recent data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

Other costs are rising as well. The average price of regular-grade gasoline in the U.S. has spiked 7 cents a gallon over the past two weeks, now costing $2.97, according to the Associated Press.

"We have a really feeble safety net," Shierholz said. "We don't have a lot of other supports that mean $15 would be a decent standard of living."

Even if families bring home enough to cover daily living, they're not saving for retirement or their children's education, she added.


"The idea we have in this country is that people can live, not extravagantly but comfortably, month to month and put something away for their retirement, in case there's an emergency and for their children's education," Shierholz said. "None of that's possible at this wage."

Fight for $15, a coalition of fast-food, retail and other workers, sprung up in New York City in 2012 and has since expanded into a global movement with activists in more than 300 cities around the world. Workers who rally in support of the wage hike, like those in Michigan last week, now have an unexpected ally in Amazon.

The Fight for $15 campaign also recently said activists plan to knock on hundreds of thousands of doors in 11 states in an effort to elect candidates in November that will support workers' rights.

-- CBS MoneyWatch's Kate Gibson and the Associated Press contributed to this report.
 
I sold my store. I have been so frustrated trying to maintain a good crew. The employee pool is bleak, consisting of mostly felons. I’ve given felons chances but that usually didn’t go well. If I found a good worker , I had to cater to them ie hours, schedule & even letting them bring their kids to work. The minute I would speak to them about poor job performance etc they would quit. Even offering a higher wage or vacation didn’t help, the minute they feel the least bit of discomfort they leave. They know there are many other jobs out there.
 
I sold my store. I have been so frustrated trying to maintain a good crew. The employee pool is bleak, consisting of mostly felons. I’ve given felons chances but that usually didn’t go well. If I found a good worker , I had to cater to them ie hours, schedule & even letting them bring their kids to work. The minute I would speak to them about poor job performance etc they would quit. Even offering a higher wage or vacation didn’t help, the minute they feel the least bit of discomfort they leave. They know there are many other jobs out there.
Exactly it is way more then wages for workers too....

I can not tell you how many people i have seen either staying at a low paying job because the hours / schedule works for them ... or people whom can not find a job that has some flexibility ..
They also do not shop for employees creatively....
For example if someone wants to do PT in a basic job as their needs are not for full time career building.... BUT their resume is overlooked or discarded because they see this person seems OVER qualified...

Employees IMO are not realistic in what it takes to run a business .... Not everyone can have one specific shift if they are open all hours
some employees who work in industries like retail then seem dumbstruck it is NOT Monday- Friday ... and evenings

I have seen people just hired asking to take 2 weeks off in a very short time and seem ticked off if manager says requests are based on seniority etc.

I cannot list all the times a person pulled a real stunt but did NOT lose their job because the replacements are not readily available. which only says do what you want to a bad employee.
 
Exactly it is way more then wages for workers too....

I can not tell you how many people i have seen either staying at a low paying job because the hours / schedule works for them ... or people whom can not find a job that has some flexibility ..
They also do not shop for employees creatively....
For example if someone wants to do PT in a basic job as their needs are not for full time career building.... BUT their resume is overlooked or discarded because they see this person seems OVER qualified...

Employees IMO are not realistic in what it takes to run a business .... Not everyone can have one specific shift if they are open all hours
some employees who work in industries like retail then seem dumbstruck it is NOT Monday- Friday ... and evenings

I have seen people just hired asking to take 2 weeks off in a very short time and seem ticked off if manager says requests are based on seniority etc.

I cannot list all the times a person pulled a real stunt but did NOT lose their job because the replacements are not readily available. which only says do what you want to a bad employee.
I was beginning to feel the employees thought they ran my business. I allowed them to make out the schedule as long as everyone could agree. I spoiled them maybe was the problem. As soon as I would actually try to be the boss, they would get angry and some would quit. I couldn’t enforce an attendance policy for fear of losing employees. So if people wanted off, they would just call off that day. And there was no one to hire to replace them. If I fired anyone they would get unemployment because if my lack of enforcing policies. I am so glad to be out of management.
 
I was beginning to feel the employees thought they ran my business. I allowed them to make out the schedule as long as everyone could agree. I spoiled them maybe was the problem. As soon as I would actually try to be the boss, they would get angry and some would quit. I couldn’t enforce an attendance policy for fear of losing employees. So if people wanted off, they would just call off that day. And there was no one to hire to replace them. If I fired anyone they would get unemployment because if my lack of enforcing policies. I am so glad to be out of management.
Yes..... I find it naive that so many think it is only about wages etc....

I knew of employees whom worked as slow as humanly possible because they knew they would be asked to stay for OT ...
people would say pay them more they will not do that but........ if it works did not matter if you paid $15 or $30 if they knew no one was watching they did whatever then wanted to stay to finish....
Some places may still have Hiring signs up because the QUALITY of people whom are applying.
 
Yes..... I find it naive that so many think it is only about wages etc....

I knew of employees whom worked as slow as humanly possible because they knew they would be asked to stay for OT ...
people would say pay them more they will not do that but........ if it works did not matter if you paid $15 or $30 if they knew no one was watching they did whatever then wanted to stay to finish....
Some places may still have Hiring signs up because the QUALITY of people whom are applying.
I fired a girl that was a terrible worker. Had complaints against her from customers and employees. She even made the statement she wanted fired so she could draw unemployment. Well she won her claim. She will be drawing unemployment for a year. Because she’s low income her rent will lowered. Maybe eligible for food stamps too. She already had Medicaid for insurance.
 
I fired a girl that was a terrible worker. Had complaints against her from customers and employees. She even made the statement she wanted fired so she could draw unemployment. Well she won her claim. She will be drawing unemployment for a year. Because she’s low income her rent will lowered. Maybe eligible for food stamps too. She already had Medicaid for insurance.
worked in the retail industry for decades people would get hired work 3-6 months and try to get fired for same reason....
Depends on state but for unemployment all one need to do is show they are applying .....
so people apply for all sorts of things online have a record if using a site they applied...... Businesses are left combing through too many candidates many whom are not qualified making it cumbersome for both companies and people ACTUALLY trying to get a job or change jobs
 
worked in the retail industry for decades people would get hired work 3-6 months and try to get fired for same reason....
Depends on state but for unemployment all one need to do is show they are applying .....
so people apply for all sorts of things online have a record if using a site they applied...... Businesses are left combing through too many candidates many whom are not qualified making it cumbersome for both companies and people ACTUALLY trying to get a job or change jobs
It’s very difficult dealing with this situation when your of an older generation. I remember when it was difficult to find a job. If you were fortunate enough to get hired, you worked hard and did everything to maintain your job. And if your boss told you to do something, it was done.
 
Perhaps all the young generation are sitting at home starring at their phones or perhaps watching nonstop Netflix? How do they eat, you might ask? Plenty of good food in mom's and dad's refrigerator. Heating bills paid by mommy and daddy; of course! Living in mommy's and daddy's basement or upstairs means no property tax to pay, no house upkeep, no problems. Life is good so why go to work? Makes no sense!
 

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The issue of finding good help is as old as time. Some are doers, ambitious, some just want to get by, and some are just plain lazy. Having owned three business's, it was always my biggest problem. I eventually found I was much happier, and made just as much money working alone. How do you fix this problem? No idea, just glad I don't have to deal with it anymore.
 
The issue of finding good help is as old as time. Some are doers, ambitious, some just want to get by, and some are just plain lazy. Having owned three business's, it was always my biggest problem. I eventually found I was much happier, and made just as much money working alone. How do you fix this problem? No idea, just glad I don't have to deal with it anymore.
Difference is, now there is no one even applying for jobs. Things are very different now.
 


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