Is "forcing" positions on other members a valid view?

David777

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Is it valid as some seem to try to do, to describe posts of other's opposing opinions on this web discussion board as "forcing" their positions on other members?
 

David777 said:
Is it valid as some seem to try to do, to describe posts of other's opposing opinions on this web discussion board as "forcing" their positions on other members?
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I don't know what you mean by "valid"....valid according to whom? I assume it's valid to the person who's describing another person's post as forceful. Both "valid" and "forcing (one's opinion)" are subjective.
 

I believe it is not valid. Such though is the way of the world that we live in. I am ready to leave this world and proceed into my next existence. I will not return to this world.
 
David777 said:
Is it valid as some seem to try to do, to describe posts of other's opposing opinions on this web discussion board as "forcing" their positions on other members?
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No "clarification needed here", but I suspect no one listens or takes on board a darn thing I go on about, (so on that basis I absolve myself of all responsibility for any " forcing" going on here!!! :) ).
 
David777 said:
Is it valid as some seem to try to do, to describe posts of other's opposing opinions on this web discussion board as "forcing" their positions on other members?
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I have yet to encounter someone on this board who isn't opinionated. Some people are quite assertive and not afraid to express a differing opinion. There are members who might not like others' opinions and find these differing opinions offensive. Perhaps because of the way they're delivered. Or when giving their opinion, someone takes offense because someone disagrees with them.

Expressing one's opinion is constitutionally protected under the First Amendment. Opinions are not correct or incorrect. An opinion is a personal expression of someone's feelings or thoughts, values, or personal history. Opinion is not fact and can be completely unsupported by fact. Facts are based on data/evidence.

Is it "valid" to "force" opinions/views on other members? I don't think you can force your opinion or your view on others.

Definitions: View >> https://www.definitions.net/definition/view

Definitions: Valid >> https://www.definitions.net/definition/valid

Definitions: Force >> https://www.definitions.net/definition/force

Freedom of Speech, What it is and What it isn't >> https://www.lawforseniors.org/how-g...reedom-of-speech-what-it-is-and-what-it-isn-t

Bella ✌️
 
Bella said:
I have yet to encounter someone on this board who isn't opinionated. Some people are quite assertive and not afraid to express a differing opinion. There are members who might not like others' opinions and find these differing opinions offensive. Perhaps because of the way they're delivered. Or when giving their opinion, someone takes offense because someone disagrees with them.

Expressing one's opinion is constitutionally protected under the First Amendment. Opinions are not correct or incorrect. An opinion is a personal expression of someone's feelings or thoughts, values, or personal history. Opinion is not fact and can be completely unsupported by fact. Facts are based on data/evidence.

Is it "valid" to "force" opinions/views on other members? I don't think you can force your opinion or your view on others.

Definitions: View >> https://www.definitions.net/definition/view

Definitions: Valid >> https://www.definitions.net/definition/valid

Definitions: Force >> https://www.definitions.net/definition/force

Freedom of Speech, What it is and What it isn't >> https://www.lawforseniors.org/how-g...reedom-of-speech-what-it-is-and-what-it-isn-t

Bella ✌️
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Can I take you to task a little, (hopefully in the friendly way I've advised others to try).

Telling folks "everything is about them" is forcing an opinion on someone to an extent, when they've tried their best as they see it, for it not to be "all about them"!

My going on endlessly on this forum and other forums about father's/parents rights is a fact, (I think I'm doing it less often nowadays though), but it should perhaps be borne in mind that it was up to four years after contact with my child broke down, (due to whatever cause you might wish to assign to me for the moment), until I found a voice at all.

Then I was working in London, staying in accommodation run by a retired couple from Ireland, and read in a Country Life magazine put in my room, about an organisation seeking to assist fathers, or any parent excluded, and featuring details of what happened to the man whose wife left him for Will Carling, (the former England rugby captain, who may have had an affair with Princess Diana is the rumours were true, and Lisa Carling, his first wife believed to be true I think).

The man giving the story of how he had lost contact with his two children after his marriage had crumbled and Will Carling moved in, rang some bells, with me.

I called the telephone number given in the article and within a few weeks I was attending protests held in Wiltshire, close to my former home, and being interviewed by a local BBC radio station, and a short clip was shown on the BBC Points West programme that evening.

This lead me on to about ten years of campaigning, though I only ever joined the more conventional groups, even though I attended "Father's for Justice" events, and admired their mindset stating something was wrong ith the system, (unfortunately I didn't fully agree with their solutions, as I think they slightly over stated their case!).

This is an explanation as to why I behave as I do, (and it has little to do with my private life, and I certainly dont wish you to open up on that front again as a result of this post).
 
grahamg, you're like a dog with a bone. What does bringing up any of this in this thread and calling everyone's attention to it and to me have to do with David's question?

I told you in this thread >> (https://www.seniorforums.com/thread...age-of-equality-married-folks-excepted.71241/) I had nothing else to say to you. In your response, you first "complimented" me and then insulted me in your further responses in a sarcastic passive-aggressive way. Now you've come chasing after me to this thread to take me "to task a little"? You came after me to up the ante because you didn't like what I said and I wouldn't respond further to you. You just can't let it go. You need more attention, continuing to seek approval and trying to justify yourself in your never-ending pity party. Well, pal, you're gonna have to party by yourself.

I'm asking you nicely, grahamg, please do not address me in any way again. Please do not reply to me, mention or refer to me, or quote me ever again. This is the last response you will get from me. I've said all I'm going to say to you in the past, present, and future. Please leave me alone.

Bella✌️
 
Bella said:
grahamg, you're like a dog with a bone. What does bringing up any of this in this thread and calling everyone's attention to it and to me have to do with David's question?

I told you in this thread >> (https://www.seniorforums.com/thread...age-of-equality-married-folks-excepted.71241/) I had nothing else to say to you. In your response, you first "complimented" me and then insulted me in your further responses in a sarcastic passive-aggressive way. Now you've come chasing after me to this thread to take me "to task a little"? You came after me to up the ante because you didn't like what I said and I wouldn't respond further to you. You just can't let it go. You need more attention, continuing to seek approval and trying to justify yourself in your never-ending pity party. Well, pal, you're gonna have to party by yourself.

I'm asking you nicely, grahamg, please do not address me in any way again. Please do not reply to me, mention or refer to me, or quote me ever again. This is the last response you will get from me. I've said all I'm going to say to you in the past, present, and future. Please leave me alone.

Bella✌️
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ignore button is very useful....
 
Bella said:
grahamg, you're like a dog with a bone. What does bringing up any of this in this thread and calling everyone's attention to it and to me have to do with David's question?

I told you in this thread >> (https://www.seniorforums.com/thread...age-of-equality-married-folks-excepted.71241/) I had nothing else to say to you. In your response, you first "complimented" me and then insulted me in your further responses in a sarcastic passive-aggressive way. Now you've come chasing after me to this thread to take me "to task a little"? You came after me to up the ante because you didn't like what I said and I wouldn't respond further to you. You just can't let it go. You need more attention, continuing to seek approval and trying to justify yourself in your never-ending pity party. Well, pal, you're gonna have to party by yourself.

I'm asking you nicely, grahamg, please do not address me in any way again. Please do not reply to me, mention or refer to me, or quote me ever again. This is the last response you will get from me. I've said all I'm going to say to you in the past, present, and future. Please leave me alone.

Bella✌️
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It DOES rather give one an understanding of WHY his wife left........
 
oldaunt said:
It DOES rather give one an understanding of WHY his wife left........
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Does it matter who chooses to respond to you when there's a posse willing to join in?

My wife left for another.

My wife told me she wanted my child within six months of my meeting her, (we courted for over four years, married for seven years).

I attended the birth, coped with our colicky baby, doing more than my share of holding her for the four or five hours it took for her to calm down of an evening, then changed as many nappies as my wife thereafter.

Regardless of all that I admit I struggled to find within myself the necessary confidence (or whatever you might call it), in order to feel as though I was truly a father, able to build a relationship with my child, and was helped by an unexpected encounter with a man in a bar in Dublin, (lets call him Paddy, as that's what my brother-in-law called him).

He told me "Dont worry about being a dad, it comes naturally"!

And do you know what, thinking about his words gave me more confidence than anything else, at the time at least. I did establish regular contact with my daughter that lasted for ten years, during which time, when questioned, my daughter told me "she loved me deep down"! (what more could a father wish for do you think?).

I may have related this story elsewhere on the forum in the four or five years I've been a member, (you're new aren't you?).

If I've done wrong in your opinion, and the posse joining you in condemnation, "fine" carry on with whatever opinion you wish to hold on to, I'm content enough to have been a part in the life of a child who has grown into a winner, beyond almost anyone else's child here on this forum I suspect, or I wish to boast, (not bad for such an idiot any woman would choose to turn their backs on hey!).
 
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Pepper said:
What strikes me is that @David777 started something, but so far has not answered what has been asked of him. Hmmmm.
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If I create a thread, I do feel responsibility to address at least some others questions as I may choose to. For those I don't, it doesn't necessarily reflect a question I dislike, cannot, or do not want to answer, although sometimes that could be true. There are many types of threads one might post and the way I personally address each will vary. Sometimes am otherwise busy elsewhere in my world as I have interests away from home, sometimes for a week or more. While it is true some unmotivated days I may spend hours on sites like this, the web for this person tends to be more like a break from other activities.

For instance though asked, I won't be providing examples in order to not embarrass other members or vector the thread intent into where it need not go. I could have directly posted where I notice posts in this vein in some of our long politics, Ukraine, religion, Covid-19 threads, however such would have been quickly out of sight, out of mind, into the abyss of back pages, increasing unnecessary angst. Instead this thread serves purpose of allowing a more general member audience to casually think about such when posting.

Several times I've related I am not here to change others as some tend to act as though whatever might bear on a political election or how a conflict or controversy occurs because whatever we post here on this modest web board unlike some social media site like Twitter, will have an infinitesimal effect. While posting does offer value reflecting how a range of people feel about whatever as well as practices discussion skills.
 
The internet as a whole is used by many to impose their beliefs on others...be it religious or the current so-called 'woke' ideas. Too many impressionable people are influenced by this and I think our respective governments need to start policing the internet more efficiently. Instead of which, they are encouraging it. The world of sport and women's rights are being violated.
 
David777 said:
Is it valid as some seem to try to do, to describe posts of other's opposing opinions on this web discussion board as "forcing" their positions on other members?
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I do not understand how it is possible to force a position on anyone without their permission..one can always disagree...Personally, I love hearing others POVs and at times find some info to tweak my own. The way to really learn is to examine another opinion and see if it has merit..
 
Lavinia said:
The internet as a whole is used by many to impose their beliefs on others...be it religious or the current so-called 'woke' ideas. Too many impressionable people are influenced by this and I think our respective governments need to start policing the internet more efficiently. Instead of which, they are encouraging it. The world of sport and women's rights are being violated.
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Sounds good until you have to decide who will police the internet...I say only the most extreme positions should be policed..for example, similar to shouting fire in a crowded theater
 
grahamg said:
Good idea!

I choose not to use such a feature, feeling I can cope well enough with whatever gets said to me without doing so, (but dont let that influence you!).
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I agree with you!!..I want to hear what everyone says and I often consider ideas with which I disagree just to figure out if they have validity
 


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