I sent E-Mails to the White House asking for no more manufacturing and selling of semi-automatic weapons to civilians.

I am not picking sides. I just don't think any new or existing gun laws will stop criminals and mass murderers from killing? I think the problem is with the pressures created by our society. Ever increasing technical growth and not enough time for our society to adjust to it. So many variables involved.
 

The Supreme Court has already said that arms "in common use" which would certainly include AR-type should not be prohibited. the others you mentioned fail that test, but I suspect you knew that. And my Glock hand gun is a semi-automatic.

SCOTUS
Dicta is not controlling law.
 
Well as i have said before .... then we had better do the same with cars. Because until just last year, they [cars] were the leading instrument of death involving young people.

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How many are maimed or killed by people that don't know how to handle a gun properly. Many have killed theirself or family by one simple mistake."

Same can be said about cars [particularly high HP cars] In the hands of unskilled drivers they are just as dangerous.

If the argument is that a person doesn't 'need' this or that gun ..... then the same argument can be said about a person not needing this or that car.

High capacity magazine semi-auto rifle ....... who needs that ??

700 HP Mustang/Camaro/Challenger ...... who needs that ??

None of it is the business of anyone except the buyer.
Driving a car has changed a lot since I was a teenagers. Before, I could get my driver's license when I was 16. Not anymore. By the time my son went through all that he had to do, it took him over 1 1/2 years to even get a provisional d. license. We've come a long way from then. Maybe they'll do something similar with the guns. Have set rules in place to delay the inevitable.
 

Dicta is not controlling law.
Do you think it's going to change with the current SCOTUS? 50% of guns sold in the last few years are semi-automatics. I doubt if you and they really want to make 80 million Americans criminals.
 
Hmm - so you want to make me and my two older brothers criminals because we wish to exercise our 2nd amendment rights, yet accomplish nothing as a result. Got it...
It's the common result of anger, fear & frustration, along with the feeling that something has to be done - regardless of how useless it is.
And it's also the fantasy that a complicated problem can be solved with a simple solution.
 
Do you think it's going to change with the current SCOTUS? 50% of guns sold in the last few years are semi-automatics. I doubt if you and they really want to make 80 million Americans criminals.
Banning prospectively does not ban retrospectively.
 
The Supreme Court has already said that arms "in common use" which would certainly include AR-type should not be prohibited. the others you mentioned fail that test, but I suspect you knew that. And my Glock hand gun is a semi-automatic.

SCOTUS
It would be interesting to see how the SCOTUS would rule on that. I'm not sure what the "common use" of an AR-15 would be.
 
I believe we have 'most' of that in many states ....... particularly registration.

But of course many people drive everyday without any of it as well.

Which is why IMO it is much more a 'people' problem, than anything.
It's a 'people with AR-15s' problem. No other readily available product is anywhere nearly as deadly. A psycho can go in to a gun shop with about $600 (maybe a little more), purchase an AR-15, and within minutes, massacre dozens of people. Someone might shoot dozens of people with a 9mm pistol, but chances are, most would survive. That's not the case with an AR-15.

As far as registration, there is a record of the gun sale, but there's no national database, so it's difficult to connect someone acting irrationally to a gun purchase, or if someone has an AR-15 and suddenly decides to purchase thousands of rounds, that might be something the FBI would want to look into.
 
It's a 'people with AR-15s' problem. No other readily available product is anywhere nearly as deadly. A psycho can go in to a gun shop with about $600 (maybe a little more), purchase an AR-15, and within minutes, massacre dozens of people. Someone might shoot dozens of people with a 9mm pistol, but chances are, most would survive. That's not the case with an AR-15.

As far as registration, there is a record of the gun sale, but there's no national database, so it's difficult to connect someone acting irrationally to a gun purchase, or if someone has an AR-15 and suddenly decides to purchase thousands of rounds, that might be something the FBI would want to look into.
^^^^ It's almost amusing - "Most would survive a 9mm pistol?"
Ever heard of the Virginia Tech mass shooting with two 9mm pistols? 33 killed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seung-Hui_Cho

McDonald's mass shooting - 23 killed. Most with 9mm carbine & 9mm pistol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Ysidro_McDonald's_massacre

Columbine mass shooting - 15 killed, 24 injured. Most with two 9mm carbines.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre

Why not stick with what you actually have knowledge in?

Killing is not an "AR15 Problem." Killing is a human problem.
 
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Where are we on the shooter? Is it not him that shot these people? Should he bare sole responsibility for his actions? Are we so afraid to call out instability in people? Should there not be accountability for the person that chooses, yes chooses to take violent action against another? I really am agitated that we choose gun control over accountability. We shrug off what it is to be a “law abiding citizen” and choose, yes choose to pretend that everyone is “stable”. There is mental illness in humans. The gun/knife/ or any other inanimate object does not get up and use itself in a manner to harm a human or other inanimate objects. It takes human interaction for this to happen. I am not a gun enthusiast at all, yes I do have difficulties understanding the reason for such rapid fire guns in this day and age however, I will never understand the choice of human responsibility versus an inanimate object.
 
Where are we on the shooter? Is it not him that shot these people? Should he bare sole responsibility for his actions? Are we so afraid to call out instability in people? Should there not be accountability for the person that chooses, yes chooses to take violent action against another? I really am agitated that we choose gun control over accountability. We shrug off what it is to be a “law abiding citizen” and choose, yes choose to pretend that everyone is “stable”. There is mental illness in humans. The gun/knife/ or any other inanimate object does not get up and use itself in a manner to harm a human or other inanimate objects. It takes human interaction for this to happen. I am not a gun enthusiast at all, yes I do have difficulties understanding the reason for such rapid fire guns in this day and age however, I will never understand the choice of human responsibility versus an inanimate object.
Well said.
 
Why do you suppose the Supreme Court thinks the rights of the gun owners are more important than the rights of children to go to school and come home alive? What happened to their right to the pursuit of happiness or even to grow up?
Why? Because the job of the Supreme Court is to determine the meaning of law and the Constitution -- in this case the 2nd Amendment. If that 200+ year old meaning does not work well in today's world, then the Constitution would need to be amended, which has happened 27 times. The amendment process is spelled out in the Constitution, and is the job of Congress or the States, not the Supreme Court.
 
We do not need to amend our constitution, we need to amend ourselves. We have mistaken novelty for the norm. Waiting for the next wave of unicorns and zombies. Have we been so MTVed that we have forgotten that the next generation also needs to look to the core values of being a thoughtful human? You, as parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and anyone that understands what it means to be and act as a good citizen to one another. You do not have to become a non profit or stand and scream at the top of your lungs or take to social media, you just need to be a guiding light to a few and teach them to be a guiding light. Ask yourself what it means to you to be a good citizen, look it up study it and amend yourself because you might be the one person that can stop these terrible things.
 
We do not need to amend our constitution, we need to amend ourselves. We have mistaken novelty for the norm. Waiting for the next wave of unicorns and zombies. Have we been so MTVed that we have forgotten that the next generation also needs to look to the core values of being a thoughtful human? You, as parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles and anyone that understands what it means to be and act as a good citizen to one another. You do not have to become a non profit or stand and scream at the top of your lungs or take to social media, you just need to be a guiding light to a few and teach them to be a guiding light. Ask yourself what it means to you to be a good citizen, look it up study it and amend yourself because you might be the one person that can stop these terrible things.
Whenever a criminal commits a crime with a gun, they always want to punish the people who didn't do it.
 
It would be interesting to see how the SCOTUS would rule on that. I'm not sure what the "common use" of an AR-15 would be.
Common, as in "Everyday" use, already accepted as inclusive to use by the general public, not being unheard of in today's firearm nomenclature.
 
Democratic Senator Chris Murphy, one of the leaders on gun control talks, has said they (the Senate) will not even try to ban semi-automatics or add comprehensive background checks. Instead looking at investing in mental health issues, and perhaps expanding red flag laws.

For me, if my doctor would ask if I have a gun at home or if I'm feeling depressed, the answers will always be no.
 
The U.S. is nearing 100,000 opioids deaths annually. Most of this poison is coming in through the southern border by unvetted aliens, which our president has decided that it’s a good idea to allow unvetted aliens to come on in.

Why isn’t or hasn’t there been as much uproar over these actions as over guns? We know. We just can’t say.
 
Well as i have said before .... then we had better do the same with cars. Because until just last year, they [cars] were the leading instrument of death involving young people.

"
How many are maimed or killed by people that don't know how to handle a gun properly. Many have killed theirself or family by one simple mistake."

Same can be said about cars [particularly high HP cars] In the hands of unskilled drivers they are just as dangerous.

If the argument is that a person doesn't 'need' this or that gun ..... then the same argument can be said about a person not needing this or that car.

High capacity magazine semi-auto rifle ....... who needs that ??

700 HP Mustang/Camaro/Challenger ...... who needs that ??

None of it is the business of anyone except the buyer.
No one needs cars that can exceed all speed limits by more than 10 MPH. No one outside of police or military needs assault weapons. You are comparing apples to dynamite, in my opinion.
 
I sent E-Mails to the White House asking for no more legally manufacturing and selling of semi-automatic weapons to civilians . Bolt-pump-lever action rifles and revolvers only. Also if who ever owned a semi-automatic weapon could not legally sell it or give it to someone else.
The President cannot change a Constitutional Amendment! That takes a 2/3 majority vote by both houses of Congress, plus a 2/3 majority by the States. And yes, from a legal perspective the Second Amendment does cover these weapons, or I should say, anything done to "infringe" the right to bear Arms, other than by Congress will be tied up in Federal courts forever.
 
The White House can't do anything about it. Send the e-mails to your Senators and Congressperson if they don't already share your views.

Fortunately, all 3 of mine already do!
Ya, and how are your antigun laws working in Chicago? Learn from those mistakes...deal with the drugs and criminal minds, not the weapons they use...
 
The confiscation of semi-automatic weapons will be a "foot in the door" to disarm the country.
(This is all just my own opinion)

Hitler said, " To conquer a nation, first disarm it's citizens".
Law abiding citizens hold the right to keep and bear arms, given by the Founding Fathers and,
IMO, it's the duty of every American citizen to uphold the amendments of the Constitution.
Certainly, He has the right to send e-mails of his adverse opinion, just as I have the right to say this.

If you look at world history, every country which has been disarmed is followed by tremendous violence..
China 1935: 20 million Chinese killed
Russia 1929: 20 million Russians killed
Germany 1938: 6 million people killed

Freedom of speech and freedom to bear arms, no matter how unpopular they are now
in light of the mass killings, are necessary for the freedom of the nation.
People must keep the right to defend themselves and their families.

I will say no more, but I had to have my say. I know this is an unpopular view,
so I won't even follow this thread to read the reactions.
Gaer: Smart lady you are, I could not have said it better!
 
If you want action on ANY laws, petition Congress. It's the Senate, specifically, that has refused to bring up ANY gun control legislation. Several bills have passed the House over the years, but the Senators have blocked bringing a vote to the floor.

BTW, as a liberal I'd like to let folks know that a lot of us happen to have guns, like guns, and yes we do go out to shooting ranges. Nonetheless, background checks and restrictions are needed.

Please remember the Constitution talks about the right to bear firearms. It does not say you have the right to buy and use cannons or mines - the 18th century military equivalent of assault weapons.

I am somewhat confused at one of the posts above. Quoting 1935 China is confusing the issue, if you are referring to either the Japanese invasion into Manchuria in 1931, or the decline of the ruling Nationalist party versus the Chinese communists (1935 was Mao tse-Tung's "Long March" now enshrined in Mainland China's history). The first was a war between two countries that have long been enemies; the second was a civil war against the ethnic Han elite.

More people have died from famine in Mainland China in recent history, than from any firearms (strictly controlled by the CCP and almost impossible for civilians to obtain) or military weapons, even counting the current Uygur genocide. Forty years ago China was in the middle of the world's largest famine: between the spring of 1959 and the end of 1961 some 30 million Chinese starved to death.
To change an Amendment to the Constitution it takes a 2/3 majority vote from both houses in Congress, plus a 2/3 majority ratification by the States. Congress has ignored the goofy House proposals as they know they do not have a 2/3 majority in the House, Senate, or the States...! Stop wasting air time....
 


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