I sent E-Mails to the White House asking for no more manufacturing and selling of semi-automatic weapons to civilians.

oldpop said:
I am not picking sides. I just don't think any new or existing gun laws will stop criminals and mass murderers from killing? I think the problem is with the pressures created by our society. Ever increasing technical growth and not enough time for our society to adjust to it. So many variables involved.
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Pop, you are correct, as Chicago has the most stringent gun laws in the USA and look at the murder rates in that city. If you limit weapons to the Citizens only the outlaws will have guns!
 

Gun control is alot like abortion. There are people on both sides of these types of issues that feel like they hold the moral high ground. One would think that some middle ground could be reached regarding what kind of weapons one can own, and at what point an unborn life cannot be taken.

Probably not going to happen, division and intolerance is fanned by both sides of the political aisle. We saw what happened when it came time to resolve the issue of slavery. Let's hope we learn from history. Unfortunately, it seems to only be getting worst, not better.
 
Em in Ohio said:
Absolutely, plus mental health exams!
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I love the idea that gun owners should have to get special insurance. And, the license should stipulate that if they use the weapon while committing a crime, there will be an automatic sentence of hmm... perhaps death, so that the taxpayers aren't burdened by their life-long upkeep.
 
One does not need a license or registration to operate a car ! ...... To do it legally ? Yes ..... But we are talking about criminals here, perhaps even criminally insane ........ Do you really think they care about paperwork ?

If they were that responsible they wouldn't be criminals & / or mass shooters.
 
Em in Ohio said:
I love the idea that gun owners should have to get special insurance. And, the license should stipulate that if they use the weapon while committing a crime, there will be an automatic sentence of hmm... perhaps death, so that the taxpayers aren't burdened by their life-long upkeep.
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Not sure that I understand what the special insurance would do ? We can impose the gun stipulation without having the license beforehand.

I'd have to do some digging but ...... I believe some states already have/had gun stipulations that increased the punishment when used in the commission of a crime.

And of course defence attorneys have railed against it ..... in attempts to get it removed from the charges.
 
StarSong said:
Not to mention passing a road test administered by someone in law enforcement and periodic written tests. Also having to repeat the process when you move to a new state.
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lol - passed the driving and written exam 2 day after I turned 16, which was about a thousand years ago. Lived in 5 different states as an adult and all I ever got was an eye exam.
 
Over the years, I've come to believe that humans are too unstable to have such easy access to the power of life and death over others., and yourself. And that it's physically impossible to shoot off a gun, if you don't have one. Outside of hunting rifles, I'd get rid of guns. Will "responsible" gun owners, who are blameless, suffer the loss of their treasured weapons. Yes, but it's coming down to guns vs. human lives. Strangely, huge portions of the planet get along rather well without guns. And those areas with little real gun legislation, people are dying in the streets.
 
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rgp said:
Not sure that I understand what the special insurance would do ?
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Before purchasing a weapon, require proof of special insurance to cover the victim's cost if your weapon would injure or kill another person- to cover their hospital charges, burial expenses, lost wages, survivor's benefits like bereavement counselling, property damage, etc. etc. (i.e. to make the weapon's owner (or their estate) financially liable for damages incurred from the firing of the weapon.)
 
Timewise 60+ said:
Pop, you are correct, as Chicago has the most stringent gun laws in the USA and look at the murder rates in that city. If you limit weapons to the Citizens only the outlaws will have guns!
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Chicago does not exist in a vacuum. One foot from its border, anybody can buy a weapon, at 3 AM, behind Walmart, without a background check, or a waiting period, if you have the cash. And it's legal.
 
rgp said:
Not sure that I understand what the special insurance would do ? We can impose the gun stipulation without having the license beforehand.

I'd have to do some digging but ...... I believe some states already have/had gun stipulations that increased the punishment when used in the commission of a crime.

And of course defence attorneys have railed against it ..... in attempts to get it removed from the charges.
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If you use a gun in the commission of any crime, it's an automatic felony charge, separate from the crime itself. If the gun is unregistered, a separate felony charge (...etc.).
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Chicago does not exist in a vacuum. One foot from its border, anybody can buy a weapon, at 3 AM, behind Walmart, without a background check, or a waiting period, if you have the cash. And it's legal.
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How is that legal? In what state? You buying this gun from a mobile vendor, or what? Is some guy selling them from a van like an ice-cream man, except he's the ice-'em man?
 
Em in Ohio said:
Before purchasing a weapon, require proof of special insurance to cover the victim's cost if your weapon would injure or kill another person- to cover their hospital charges, burial expenses, lost wages, survivor's benefits like bereavement counselling, property damage, etc. etc. (i.e. to make the weapon's owner (or their estate) financially liable for damages incurred from the firing of the weapon.)
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I'd go along with that - IF & WHEN someone commits a crime with a gun. I'd even go along with the death penalty for using a gun in a robbery or any crime.
But making someone pay when they haven't committed a crime is like saying, "We know you're going to commit a crime, so we're punishing you now." No one in their right mind would go for that.
 
rgp said:
OK, ya want to get tough with gun criminals ? Let's do that ..... I support your thought. In the future if an illegal weapon is used in the commission of a crime ? ........ Then the criminal/thug {with absolute evidence proof of guilt} that does so should put to death in no more than 30 days ... No appeals.

Indeed ..... punish the criminal, not the sportsman.
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I assume this is a lame attempt at sarcasm or humor.
 
win231 said:
I'd go along with that - IF & WHEN someone commits a crime with a gun. I'd even go along with the death penalty for using a gun in a robbery or any crime.
But making someone pay when they haven't committed a crime is like saying, "We know you're going to commit a crime, so we're punishing you now." No one in their right mind would go for that.
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It would be no different than the mandatory liability car insurance. I'm paying on the possibility that I might cause injuries to another person or another's property.
 
HarryHawk said:
Gun control is alot like abortion. There are people on both sides of these types of issues that feel like they hold the moral high ground. One would think that some middle ground could be reached regarding what kind of weapons one can own, and at what point an unborn life cannot be taken.

Probably not going to happen, division and intolerance is fanned by both sides of the political aisle.
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Good analogy @HarryHawk !

And I also agree we should be able to find some reasonable compromises. This should not carry the religious significance abortion does. But compromise seems just as difficult.

NPR did an interesting piece comparison of US gun laws to Autobahn speed limits.

A Speed Limit On Germany's Autobahns: 'Like Talking Gun Control In The U.S.​

 
You bet...ban semi-automatic firearms, and punish as many law abiding citizens as you can by doing so. And when they are banned and a person has a notion to acquire one, and if they live close by hereabouts, they can sashay on over to The East Side, buy an illegal hooker, score some illegal dope Du Jour of their choice, AND talk to the drug dealer or the hooker about an intro to an illegal gun dealer.

Odd thing is, laws, laws and more laws DO NOT stop those who don't respect laws, laws, and more laws, from conducting themselves in an illegal manner.

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I know!! How about trying to put a halt to illegal activities across the board to include gun crimes, by...utilizing existing laws, and stepping up punishment...to include going medieval on stubborn perps who do not reform well.

Try killing them all and letting God sort them out.

With a little digging, anti 2nd Amendment sorts could easily find regions of the U.S. where Open Carry, with few draconian hoops to jump thru for GOOD Citizens who wish to open carry, that have much less serious crime on average.

Naw...why do any critical thinking and research when it is so much easier to be a Knee Jerk Reactionary Lemming Type. Follow as directed, and by golly, make sure to get them thar C-19 shots as told to get them thar C-19 shots.
 
Friend of mines son was murdered about 8 months ago. LAWS, LAWS, LAWS in place where convicted felons are not to own a gun. The son and murderer were placed in a halfway house together (son and murderer nonviolent offenses). They were both having some personal adjustment issues being together.

Cops were called, things settled down, son called halfway house personnel stating he wanted to move out ASAP. He was packing his things up and the other guy came into sons room and shot him 7 times. No one knew the murderer had a gun. Even the cops did not know. After killing the son, he called 911 and told them he killed the son and that he placed the gun on the sidewalk so they would know he was not armed.

8 months this person is awaiting trial. Laws, Laws, Laws, to me đźź° Blah, Blah, Blah. Convicted or reduced charges does not change. He survives and mother, father, sister, aunts, uncles, grandparents have lost a child.
 
Timewise 60+ said:
And yes, from a legal perspective the Second Amendment does cover these weapons, or I should say, anything done to "infringe" the right to bear Arms, other than by Congress will be tied up in Federal courts forever.
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The word "Infringe" to a 2nd AM enthusiast means anyone can buy a gun, period. Lawmakers wrote the word Infringe, lawmakers determine what is and what is not, not a 2nd AM free for all nut.
 
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