I sent E-Mails to the White House asking for no more manufacturing and selling of semi-automatic weapons to civilians.

SeniorBen said:
Yep, Scalia "legislated" his twisted interpretation of the 2nd Amendment in the Heller case to mean that any pinhead can own firearms, with just a few exceptions. Before that point, the 2nd Amendment was commonly accepted to be a collective right of states.
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Read what Scalia wrote in Heller, no where in his majority opinion did he allude that anyone could own a firearm.

3. The Second Amendment right is not unlimited. We do not cast doubt on concealed-weapons prohibitions, laws barring possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, laws barring firearms in sensitive places like schools and government buildings, and laws imposing conditions on commercial sale of arms. (54-55) Also, the sorts of weapons protected are the sorts of small arms that were lawfully possessed at home at the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification, not those most useful in military service today, so “M-16 rifles and the like” may be banned. (55)
 

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JB in SC said:
Read what Scalia wrote in Heller, no where in his majority opinion did he allude that anyone could own a firearm.

3. The Second Amendment right is not unlimited. We do not cast doubt on concealed-weapons prohibitions, laws barring possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, laws barring firearms in sensitive places like schools and government buildings, and laws imposing conditions on commercial sale of arms. (54-55) Also, the sorts of weapons protected are the sorts of small arms that were lawfully possessed at home at the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification, not those most useful in military service today, so “M-16 rifles and the like” may be banned. (55)
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https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf
 
fuzzybuddy said:
No gun buying expert ,here. Gun shows are unregulated in most states. I don't know if Cal does. Private sales- few states regulate them. And nothing says people can't flaunt the law.
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All gun sales in CA, including private sales & gun shows are legally required to go through a licensed dealer with 10-day waiting periods & detailed background checks.
But criminals don't do it that way. They know they would never pass a background check. And they are committing a crime just by walking into a gun shop. The sale is denied if any felonies or misdemeanors involving violence are found.
 

JB in SC said:
Read what Scalia wrote in Heller, no where in his majority opinion did he allude that anyone could own a firearm.

3. The Second Amendment right is not unlimited. We do not cast doubt on concealed-weapons prohibitions, laws barring possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, laws barring firearms in sensitive places like schools and government buildings, and laws imposing conditions on commercial sale of arms. (54-55) Also, the sorts of weapons protected are the sorts of small arms that were lawfully possessed at home at the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification, not those most useful in military service today, so “M-16 rifles and the like” may be banned. (55)
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Can not speak for Ben, but I am assuming his statement meant, the right is no longer collective in nature, but an INDIVIDUAL right, meaning anyone can own, legislated exceptions of course.
 
ohioboy said:
Can not speak for Ben, but I am assuming his statement meant, the right is no longer collective in nature, but an INDIVIDUAL right, meaning anyone can own, legislated exceptions of course.
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Any pinhead, to be specific. Elites don’t like the populace armed, it’s been that way for centuries.
 
Em in Ohio said:
I know that you like to have the last word, so this is mine (feel compelled to reply) - As I said, this would apply before any new gun purchase. If you couldn't prove you had such insurance, you wouldn't be sold a weapon. End of discussion.
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Yes, clearly @rgp likes to have the last word. There will never be a post that he doesn't argue with. He will probably reply to mine. 1,2,3, go...:ROFLMAO: And if so many people "know him" that speaks to his posts.
 
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Any pinhead, to be specific. Elites don’t like the populace armed, it’s been that way for centuries.
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I don't have a problem with keeping a few guns at home for self protection or to protect your family or even to protect your stuff. My home was broken into back in the '80s and I definitely would have shot the perpetrator had I been there and been armed.

But that's not a right protected by the 2nd Amendment, or at least it wasn't until Heller.

Before Heller, the accepted interpretation of the 2nd Amendment was that it was a collective right of states. At the time, every citizen was required to serve in a militia, and they were also required to own a weapon for that purpose, although that requirement wasn't enforced, nor did most people abide by it. People had guns for hunting and for protection, but few owned them simply because of a federal requirement.

Since people were required to own guns, it takes some convoluted logic to interpret that as a "right."
 
SeniorBen said:
I don't have a problem with keeping a few guns at home for self protection or to protect your family or even to protect your stuff. My home was broken into back in the '80s and I definitely would have shot the perpetrator had I been there and been armed.

But that's not a right protected by the 2nd Amendment, or at least it wasn't until Heller.

Before Heller, the accepted interpretation of the 2nd Amendment was that it was a collective right of states. At the time, every citizen was required to serve in a militia, and they were also required to own a weapon for that purpose, although that requirement wasn't enforced, nor did most people abide by it. People had guns for hunting and for protection, but few owned them simply because of a federal requirement.

Since people were required to own guns, it takes some convoluted logic to interpret that as a "right."
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I believe. prior to Heller, the 2nd amendment cases were concerning collective rights of militias or members, there really weren’t cases that were taken by the court claiming the 2nd as an individual right.

Courts change, majority opinions as well. Segregation and voting rights, ie.

The history is convoluted and complex.
 
JB in SC said:
I believe. prior to Heller, the 2nd amendment cases were concerning collective rights of militias or members, there really weren’t cases that were taken by the court claiming the 2nd as an individual right.

Courts change, majority opinions as well. Segregation and voting rights, ie.

The history is convoluted and complex.
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I was trying to remember a case concerning the 8th AM's excessive bail provision. Although the USSC has never "directly" incorporated it to apply to the states, only through "considered dictum", many federal courts have directly incorporated it. This is a good example of Judicial discretion.
 
dseag2 said:
Yes, clearly @rgp likes to have the last word. There will never be a post that he doesn't argue with. He will probably reply to mine. 1,2,3, go...:ROFLMAO: And if so many people "know him" that speaks to his posts.
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First of all .... You and no one here "knows" me. Have we ever stood in the same room , shook hands & shared a beer ?? No ! You do not know me , you & others make assumptions about me ...... assumptions that fit the opinion you have drawn about me , mostly because i disagree with many .. often.

I like to have the last word ? ....... At what point do you think I should stop discussing ? arguing ? a point .......... Oh let me guess, perhaps the moment I disagree with you ?
 
rgp said:
First of all .... You and no one here "knows" me. Have we ever stood in the same room , shook hands & shared a beer ?? No ! You do not know me , you & others make assumptions about me ...... assumptions that fit the opinion you have drawn about me , mostly because i disagree with many .. often.

I like to have the last word ? ....... At what point do you think I should stop discussing ? arguing ? a point .......... Oh let me guess, perhaps the moment I disagree with you ?
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And I will never stand in the same room nor shake hands with you. And I don't like beer. ;)
 
win231 said:
Any idea how many weapons are in people's hands now? Isn't it a little late to stop selling them to the public?
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It's quite late, but new legislation to slow the proliferation would affect those young folks coming of age and those people who suddenly want a weapon to solve a personal problem.
 
Em in Ohio said:
It's quite late, but new legislation to slow the proliferation would affect those young folks coming of age and those people who suddenly want a weapon to solve a personal problem.
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Absolutely. When confronted with someone bleeding profusely, first responders' immediate priority is to staunch the bleeding. This is no different. The very concept that the US should maintain fully armed personnel at elementary schools so that ordinary citizens can own weapons of war, is ridiculous and ass-backwards.
 
StarSong said:
Absolutely. When confronted with someone bleeding profusely, first responders' immediate priority is to staunch the bleeding. This is no different. The very concept that the US should maintain fully armed personnel at elementary schools so that ordinary citizens can own weapons of war, is ridiculous and ass-backwards.
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The purpose of armed security at schools is not so ordinary citizens can own weapons. They already do - both good & bad guys.
It's facing the reality that it's the only way to protect students.
The same people who say, "The answer is not more guns" all have the same response when asked,
"When you have trouble at your house, who do you call?"
"Police."
"So.....at the first sign of trouble, you immediately call someone who will bring a gun with them?"
 
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StarSong said:
That's a supposition, not a reality.
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Win231 said:
Feel free to offer a better method. :giggle:

Locked doors, security checkpoints, security passes, metal detectors, and even an armed guard on premises as a last resort are options. The local elementary school that my kids and grandkids attended had the first two options in use long ago. You had to identify yourself and what child you were there to see, be buzzed in, report straight ahead to the office, They had a sign-in book. Your driver's license or photo ID was checked. Your name was checked against the authorized persons for each child. If there was no match, you got no further.
 
Em in Ohio said:
Locked doors, security checkpoints, security passes, metal detectors, and even an armed guard on premises as a last resort are options. The local elementary school that my kids and grandkids attended had the first two options in use long ago. You had to identify yourself and what child you were there to see, be buzzed in, report straight ahead to the office, They had a sign-in book. Your driver's license or photo ID was checked. Your name was checked against the authorized persons for each child. If there was no match, you got no further.
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All excellent! BUT each one of those precautions comes with a price tag. A price that schools don't want to pay.
 
Pepper said:
Could you please explain what I highlighted? Thx
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It's simple. Who's going to pay for metal detectors, personnel at checkpoints & armed guards?
You couldn't possibly think they're free.
Cost is the biggest issue. That's why after a previous school shooting, one moronic school administrator suggested teachers keep a bucket of rocks next to their desks to throw at a shooter. A bucket of rocks costs nothing; that's why he was willing to make a fool of himself by suggesting it.
Well, let's look at his suggestion. A professional baseball pitcher can throw at 95 mph - 139 feet per second - much faster than an average teacher.
A bullet out of an AR-15 leaves the barrel at 3,100 feet per second.
Which would get there faster?
 

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