Supreme Court overturning Roe v Wade?

WRONG. The law is supposed to comply with our constitution, which is what the SC is supposed to make sure of.
But the SCOTUS doesn't always do that, now do they? Think Citizens United v. FEC: "The ruling represented a turning point on campaign finance, allowing unlimited election spending by corporations and labor unions and fueling the rise of Super PACs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

Money equals power. I don't think power to the people is the most important thing today. Kind of odd, to me, in a country that says the people do the voting. Actually, the money talks and drowns out the people.
 

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Well, it may seem smart, but not everyone is smart. Everyone is different. This illusion that people in general all have the same common sense, intellectual IQ, background, and privileges is simply untrue. What would seem like a good choice to you does not mean everyone is capable (or wants to) make the same choice. Sometimes people make mistakes. Sometimes people don't know their options. Sometimes people or immature, or don't consider the consequences because consequences don't dawn on them or their hormones have control. Sometimes folks are guided by their emotions. Some people unable to make wise choices. Sex is, after all, a biological imperative.

And sometimes women are raped and after that major trauma, don't want the baby. Ah, adoption is the option. Well, not for everyone. I would not let a baby of mine be adopted, because I just could not. If I were inadequately financed to be a mother, well, where's Dad? Where's family support? Government support? The foster system sucks, so I'm not going there.

I don't think the government should have decided that Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional. I feel very sorry for women who are trapped in states in which they no longer have a choice. I don't care about religious arguments or pseudo-science arguments that have come up in general discussions about abortion because they are simply wrong. Arguments based on religion and just plain fallacious information do not merit discussion in my view.

It is not the government's or anyone else's business to decide for a woman what she should do regarding her pregnancy. That is my view, and I have never waivered from it. When GA first allowed abortion, I took someone to get hers. She was a prostitute who had gotten pregnant. She needed emotional support. It didn't matter whether I agreed with her decision, it mattered whether I respected it.

My son asked me yesterday why I cared that Mass and CA have already taken steps to give women their reproductive rights, since I can't get pregnant. And the answer is that my daughter is moving to CA where other fertile women and teens also live, and other daughters similarly situated live in Mass, and I support their right to choose. That does not mean I would get an abortion. I was offered a "pregnancy reduction" when I was pregnant with my triplet sons because twins or a singleton baby would be more likely to survive, and both my husband and I were horrified at the very suggestion. I had a choice, and I think all women should. Keep in mind, that choice includes not getting an abortion.

This also doesn't mean I think that viable, healthy fetuses should be aborted. I don't. My sons were born at 27 weeks gestation, and they are all alive and well. For those fetuses who have such severe birth defects that their lives and that of their family would have no quality of life ... I leave that decision to the parents. I worked for someone who had a baby who could not see, hear, talk, walk, had to be fed by tube, and who had no quality of life. His mother took care of him until he died at age 6. I cannot tell you that I would be against an abortion in cases like this because I saw the toll it took on his parents. The child, by contrast, had no idea there was a toll, because he only had a partial brain.

I am also sick of people who are "pro-life" (a misnomer) because very often their great concern does not result in making sure the babies are well cared for after they are born. The same people who hate abortion are many times the same people who are unwilling for their tax dollars to paying for the needs of children.

When the alleged pro-lifers are also a mass of vocal advocates who are for feeding hungry children, for sheltering homeless children, for educating poor children well and in a safe environment, for providing childcare for children whose parent(s) work, for passing laws that give a good amount of maternity leave, and that give enough sick leave so that a parent can stay home to care for a sick child, for raising the minimum wage to a living wage, then, and only then, do I want to discuss what pro-life means. I am talking about a nice enough home so you or I would not be horrified to live in it, food that you or I would want to eat, childcare and public education that is way more than adequate - it should be stellar. These are children we are talking about, not pawns on a chess board. And they are our children, too. Part of our nation.

And I never want to hear religious reasons for advocating a particular solution to social problems the government can and should solve. Because... separation of church and state. It should be a very thick wall.
First time I have evr seen a cheerleader for ignorance.
 
I agree. There's something sadly ironic about thousands of women protesting over what they see as the government trying to control their body, while neglecting to control it themselves. They have a dozen birth control methods to chose from, some only require going to the doctor once every 3 or 4 years. If they want to take their protection from 99.9% to 100% then add a barrier method to the pill. If they fail to do any of that there's the morning after pill. If they get raped, the morning after pill will be given to them at the hospital.

I was happy with abortion being legal through the first trimester and late term abortions legal if the mother or fetus's health was concerned. I don't like a total ban on abortion, but I also don't like all this hysteria (yes I used that word on purpose) over a situation women can avoid with a little bit of responsibility.

I also don't see it as a huge slippery slope for women's rights. Like all rights one person's ends where another's begins. Once that fetus is viable it's no longer just the woman's body and the rights of the new life should be considered, too.
Although I am very definitely pro-choice, I agree with nearly everything you've said, Della. I've also wondered why so many women apparently need abortions all the time, when there are so many options for not getting pregnant if you don't want to. And there is a morning after pill. I've never had an abortion, but I doubt that they are a whole lot of fun. Are there really that many women relying on abortion as their primary birth control? Or is this issue partially being drummed up by the media?

What bothers me more about all this is the timing. Amazing, isn't it, that the SC came out with what they knew would be an emotional blockbuster ONE DAY after that brilliant, and very damaging (to the previous White House occupant) hearing, conducted by his fellow Republicans, standing up for honor and decency? It's almost like: Quick, we've got to come up with some news item to deflect the public's attention from Jan. 6, let's put the kibosh on Roe v. Wade, that's always good for an emotional crowd reaction!

Why all the shock, and carrying on? What did they expect? This is a political ploy, which has apparently worked. Look at today's newspaper headlines.

The only cure for this kind of stuff would be a revision of how the SC works. Instead of lifetime appointments, there should be a term limit. We will be stuck with this bunch for 40 or more years.
 
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P.S. Della, the one part of your post that I question is that you mention the rights of a viable fetus. I don't think abortions are performed on viable fetuses, except in dire circumstances, such as a severely abnormal fetus that cannot live anyway, or risk to the life of the mother. I could be wrong about that, but that's the way I understand it.
 
First time I have evr seen a cheerleader for ignorance.
Ignorance is not the issue. The issue is simple: People are not all the same. What I think about someone's actions that are foreign to me does not mean anything other than I don't understand the forest due to focusing on a tree. It doesn't mean they are perfectly capable of being like me, and need to get with the program. Different forests nurture different trees.

We are not all created equally. We are not all treated equally. We do not all have the same privileges and benefits. We do not all have the same genes. We do not all have the same intelligence levels. We do not all have the same quality of education, medical care, and more. We do not all have healthy families or loving parents. We do not all live in adequate housing in a safe area. We do not all experience racial prejudice. We do not all have living wages. We do not all have the same We do not all have the same subconscious minds effecting our behavior and decisions. We do not all have the same life experiences, which effect how we see the world.

I could be wrong, but I doubt it: A family eking out a living while living in a falling down tar paper shack in rural Alabama is never (or at least rarely) going to have the privileges and benefits that come along with being working class or middle class. A middle class person is never (or rarely) going to have the privileges and benefits of being in the top 10% or !% of wealth in the US. In fact, a lot of people who consider themselves to be middle class are not -- they are actually in a lower class.

Not everyone is from (or lives in) a forest that has only wonderful privileges and benefits. In fact, the vast majority do not.
Ours is class-based country, and has been since the beginning. There are significant barriers to people being able to move from one class to a higher class. A lot of those barriers are put into place to prevent people from "bettering" themselves.

One of my biggest interests concerns the differences among the classes in the U.S. What drives people to make decisions that are not in their best interests? What are the root causes of this? How do the governments' policies, the very wealthy, the belief that everyone can pull themselves up by their own bootstraps (even though no one has), the corporate and the top 1%'s meddling in our governance, low minimum wages, the gun culture, the business of selling illegal drugs, the costs of higher education, the state of healthcare, and mental illness effect people and their behaviors and beliefs? (I'm sure I left some important things out.)

I can tell you that the answer to that question is very demoralizing and quite shocking. As is the amount of stress poor people live with daily -- it's amazing that they survive in the conditions they live in.

Also:
In 2014, 51% of abortion patients were using a contraceptive method in the month they became pregnant, most commonly condoms (24%) or a short-acting hormonal method (13%). https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-united-states
 
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P.S. Della, the one part of your post that I question is that you mention the rights of a viable fetus. I don't think abortions are performed on viable fetuses, except in dire circumstances, such as a severely abnormal fetus that cannot live anyway, or risk to the life of the mother. I could be wrong about that, but that's the way I understand it.
You are correct. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/24/what-the-data-says-about-abortion-in-the-u-s-2/

" When during pregnancy do most abortions occur?

The vast majority of abortions – around nine-in-ten – occur during the first trimester of a pregnancy. In 2019, 93% of abortions occurred during the first trimester – that is, at or before 13 weeks of gestation, according to the CDC. An additional 6% occurred between 14 and 20 weeks of pregnancy, and 1% were performed at 21 weeks or more of gestation. These CDC figures include data from 42 states and New York City (but not the rest of New York)."
 
The complacency of American generations born post baby boom is largely responsible for this. They presumed that the women's rights they've enjoyed came easily and were a lock solid guarantee. It took nothing more than a stacked Supreme Court to undo what so many fought and marched FOR YEARS to attain.

Will people turn out at the voting booths to codify abortion rights into law by voting for legislators who promise to do so? Seems very doubtful.

Gay marriage, rights of privacy in one's bedroom, and widespread access to contraception will be next in SCOTUS's cross hairs. Watch and see.

However, we will all have the freedom to be terrified that the person shopping next to us is carrying a concealed weapon. Best not accidentally bang your shopping cart into his lest you set him off.

The US sure ain't what it once was. Most of the rest of the world views us with derision, and we deserve it.
 
I'm guessing most will travel out of state, although this will be a hards

“Evidence also shows the disproportionate and unequal impact abortion restrictions have on people who are already marginalized and oppressed—including Black and Brown communities, other people of color, people with low incomes, young people, LGBTQ communities, immigrants and people with disabilities."

https://www.guttmacher.org/news-release/2022/us-supreme-court-overturns-roe-v-wade

"Some 75% of abortion patients in 2014 were poor (having an income below the federal poverty level of $15,730 for a family of two in 2014) or low-income (having an income of 100–199% of the federal poverty level).5
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Greater distances to abortion facilities are associated with increased burden on patients, including higher out-of-pocket costs for associated services such as food, lodging and child care; lost wages;15 increased difficulty getting to the clinic;16 delayed care;17 and decreased use of abortion services.18
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If Roe v. Wade were overturned or weakened, abortion patients’ average distance to the nearest facility would increase by 97 miles, from 25 to 122 miles.19"

https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-united-states
 
The complacency of American generations born post baby boom is largely responsible for this. They presumed that the women's rights they've enjoyed came easily and were a lock solid guarantee. It took nothing more than a stacked Supreme Court to undo what so many fought and marched FOR YEARS to attai
Yes, the complacent trusted and believed their lies, people need to wake up to what they are doing to our country. One only has to look at all the investigations and hearings going on.
 
The complacency of American generations born post baby boom is largely responsible for this. They presumed that the women's rights they've enjoyed came easily and were a lock solid guarantee. It took nothing more than a stacked Supreme Court to undo what so many fought and marched FOR YEARS to attain.

Will people turn out at the voting booths to codify abortion rights into law by voting for legislators who promise to do so? Seems very doubtful.

Gay marriage, rights of privacy in one's bedroom, and widespread access to contraception will be next in SCOTUS's cross hairs. Watch and see.

However, we will all have the freedom to be terrified that the person shopping next to us is carrying a concealed weapon. Best not accidentally bang your shopping cart into his lest you set him off.

The US sure ain't what it once was. Most of the rest of the world views us with derision, and we deserve it.
That's fact and it takes a rare American to recognise it
 
  • Disney said it will cover the cost of travel for 'family planning' for any worker who cannot access care where they live, including 'pregnancy-related decisions'
  • Buzzfeed will provide a stipend to employees to travel out of state to access legal abortion services
  • Dick's Sporting Goods is reimbursing employees $4,000 in travel expenses
  • Amazon will provide $4,000 for travel expenses outside of 100 miles of an employee's home
  • Starbucks will reimburse all abortion travel expenses not available within 100 miles
  • Yelp will reimburse travel costs for employees who can't access services in their home state
  • Microsoft will reimburse employees for travel expenses related to an abortion

  • Apple will cover all travel expenses
  • Netflix will pay up to $10,000 for travel reimbursement for abortions
  • Tesla pays for travel and lodging for employees who get an abortion outside their home state
  • Levi Strauss & Co. said it would reimburse workers who travel out of state to get an abortion
  • JPMorgan Chase said it would expand its health plan to cover travel expenses for employees getting an abortion
  • Starbucks will reimburse travel expenses for an abortion or gender-affirming procedure that is not available within 100 miles of an employee's home
    • Citigroup will provide abortion travel benefits
    • Mastercard will pay for travel and lodging for employees who need to travel out of state for abortion services
    • Lyft will cover travel costs for employees enrolled in the company health care plan who need to travel more than 100 miles for an abortion
    • Zillow will reimburse employees up to $7,500 to travel significant distances for reproductive services, gender-affirming care and other procedures

FIRMS PAYING WORKERS' ABORTION EXPENSES ^^^^​

Those companies are paying the expenses of their employees who want an abortion, possibly because it saves them money in the long run if they would otherwise have workers taking time off for their pregnancies and childcare. Plus the pregnant employees might have psychological issues associated with being forced to carry a pregnancy to term when they don't want to or aren't capable of taking care of a child.

What about women on welfare who can't afford even the children they have and now have another on the way. Since they're not employed, they won't receive financial help for traveling to other states to have an abortion. It will be another burden to society and to taxpayers.
 
Those companies are paying the expenses of their employees who want an abortion, possibly because it saves them money in the long run if they would otherwise have workers taking time off for their pregnancies and childcare. Plus the pregnant employees might have psychological issues associated with being forced to carry a pregnancy to term when they don't want to or aren't capable of taking care of a child.

What about women on welfare who can't afford even the children they have and now have another on the way. Since they're not employed, they won't receive financial help for traveling to other states to have an abortion. It will be another burden to society and to taxpayers.
Yes women on welfare will be devastated if they need an abortion after the time allotted. I think women understand that more than men.
 
possibly because it saves them money in the long run if they would otherwise have workers taking time off for their pregnancies and childcare. Plus the pregnant employees might have psychological issues associated with being forced to carry a pregnancy to term when they don't want to or aren't capable of taking care of a child.
More likely because they disagree strongly with their employees' rights being stripped from them. If you read about these companies in depth you'll see that the majority (all?) of these companies extend the same offer to their employees' dependents. So it's not just about a company's immediate pocketbook.

Salesforce, a software company, will assist with employee relocation. "According to CNBC, the message said, 'If you have concerns about access to reproductive healthcare in your state, Salesforce will help relocate you and members of your immediate family.”'

https://www.forbes.com/sites/maggie...ng-abortion-related-benefits/?sh=5fce58a51c94

Hoping many more companies will jump on this train.
 
Hollywood and other corporations should stop doing business in a state with no abortions. Hollywood in particular does a lot of shooting in Georgia. I don't know the state of this matter in Georgia.
 


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