Chicago : Shooter on store roof kills six and injures 18

[squatting dog]

Here's another photo of him.

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Yep, that flag is what you think it is. There are also photos of him in a Pepe the Frog t-shirt.

Once more, someone showing the media's cropped version of a picture that doesn't tell the whole story. smh. What say we look at the whole picture ehhh?

 

[oldman]

At least they finally caught him, not that that's much consolation to those who have lost loved ones.

I think the real blame goes not to the shooter, who is obviously a highly disturbed nut case, but to those who legally(!) sold him an assault rifle, and the gun worshippers who are clearly misusing and misinterpreting the Second Amendment. He should never have been able to get his hands on a gun, let alone that kind of weapon.

This weekly murder rampage will continue until sane Americans put people in Congress who will enact some really tight gun laws.

This argument will go on forever until some form of action is taken. Sane people shouldn’t be penalized for the nut jobs running around, but trying to divide the two groups has been a problem.

I walk into a gun store to buy a gun.
I choose my weapon of choice.
I am given a form to fill out just to run it through the system to make sure that I am legally able to buy a gun and not a felon.
If that form is acceptable, the next form is a psychological evaluation exam. On the exam is 50 questions, depending on how you answer the questions, will determine if you get a gun or will be required to get an in person mental assessment by a trained Psychiatrist.

Questions like: “Have you ever thought about shooting your boss, mother, father, neighbor or anyone?
Have you ever thought about shooting yourself?
Have you ever been so enraged that you threw something at someone?
If anyone has such an aggressive personality, they need to get a psychological assessment.

Who pays for all of this? The buyer of the weapon. Who else?

Just thinking out loud. It’s not a guarantee fix, but a starting place and it’s at least doing something.

 

[Don M.]

This argument will go on forever until some form of action is taken. Sane people shouldn’t be penalized for the nut jobs running around, but trying to divide the two groups has been a problem.

I walk into a gun store to buy a gun.
I choose my weapon of choice.
I am given a form to fill out just to run it through the system to make sure that I am legally able to buy a gun and not a felon.
If that form is acceptable, the next form is a psychological evaluation exam. On the exam is 50 questions, depending on how you answer the questions, will determine if you get a gun or will be required to get an in person mental assessment by a trained Psychiatrist.

Questions like: “Have you ever thought about shooting your boss, mother, father, neighbor or anyone?
Have you ever thought about shooting yourself?
Have you ever been so enraged that you threw something at someone?
If anyone has such an aggressive personality, they need to get a psychological assessment.

Who pays for all of this? The buyer of the weapon. Who else?

Just thinking out loud. It’s not a guarantee fix, but a starting place and it’s at least doing something.

A psychological exam would be a step in the right direction....IMO. This latest killer even looks like a nutcase.

 

[Sassycakes]

This world is going crazier by the minute. I don't know what happened to this world.

 

[hollydolly]

Highland Park is not Chicago and it's unfair to lump them together. It's about 30 miles away.

well the media are saying it's Chicago... and anyway regardless.. it's where this POS home is, and his father ran for Mayor.... so he didn't come from outside the area to kill people...

 

[fuzzybuddy]

This is where I'm supposed to say "our hearts and prayers go. out to loved ones". And say. "It's terrible, we should do something about it". But we're not, because some people's toys are more precious than lives.

 

[hollydolly]

This is where I'm supposed to say "our hearts and prayers go. out to loved ones". And say. "It's terrible, we should do something about it". But we're not, because some people's toys are more precious than lives.

sick and tired of 'thoughts and prayers'' sick and tired of saying ..I'm sick and tired.. .. this is enough now surely.. there's never a day goes past without a headline grabbing shooting.. something has to be done about the easy availability of guns...

 

[OneEyedDiva]

A 78 year-old victim of the Chicago July 4 massacre was shot in the head as he sat in his wheelchair, sending blood splattering onto his horrified family.

Nicolas Toledo, 76, had not wanted to attend the parade in Highland Park, Illinois, his granddaughter also told the New York Times hours after the shooting that killed Toledo and five others.

But because of his disabilities that restricted him to a wheelchair, and his family's insistence of going, he obliged.

'We were all in shock,' his granddaughter Xochil Toledo said. 'We thought it was part of the parade. Then we realized our grandfather was hit. We saw blood and everything splattered onto us.'

Family members say Toledo was shot three times. Two other people in the family were also shot, she said, but their injuries were non life-threatening.

Toledo, a Mexican national who held duel citizenships in Mexico and the United States, had moved back to Highland Park a few months ago at the urging of his family members.

'We brought him over here so he could have a better life,' Xochil said. 'His sons wanted to take care of him and be more in his life, and then this tragedy happened.'

The shooting began less than 15 minutes after the parade started. Five adults were killed at the parade and a sixth victim died at the hospital.

Gosh that poor Man... not only didn't he want to attend the festivities, there's no way he could possibly know that his face would be on the front of every western newspaper the very next day due to being shot by a POS. It makes you want to Howl ...

He looks like he was such a dignified man. Can you imagine how guilty his family is feeling right now, not to mention the grief and shock of the terrible event! My heart goes out to them and the families of the victims who died. Best of blessings for the survivors' recovery (mental and physical).

 

[Jeni]

This argument will go on forever until some form of action is taken. Sane people shouldn’t be penalized for the nut jobs running around, but trying to divide the two groups has been a problem.

I walk into a gun store to buy a gun.
I choose my weapon of choice.
I am given a form to fill out just to run it through the system to make sure that I am legally able to buy a gun and not a felon.
If that form is acceptable, the next form is a psychological evaluation exam. On the exam is 50 questions, depending on how you answer the questions, will determine if you get a gun or will be required to get an in person mental assessment by a trained Psychiatrist.

Questions like: “Have you ever thought about shooting your boss, mother, father, neighbor or anyone?
Have you ever thought about shooting yourself?
Have you ever been so enraged that you threw something at someone?
If anyone has such an aggressive personality, they need to get a psychological assessment.

Who pays for all of this? The buyer of the weapon. Who else?

Just thinking out loud. It’s not a guarantee fix, but a starting place and it’s at least doing something.

The items go much deeper then a form can fix. answer the questions the way Normal people would ....
Most data entered in background check NOW is weeks/ months etc behind depending on the state....

for example a person checks all the "Correct" boxes .....who is checking on that ?
do they do a internet search to see if you ranted on you-tube or facebook or millions of other sites..?
NO ... in fact after the fact many had this type of crazy rants/ opinions on the internet......

So many have lied on background check forms already ...... after the fact ........is a perjury charge really that scary ?
Most of these moves they know or hope they will be taken out too by police or someone... A desperate act they know will ruin any life left ......


Not to mention some folks buy and may be completely stable .........then one day......... after some personal crisis ....... they snap......

It is NOT about the "tool" it is about person behind it...... what is next knives/ any hard object that could hit someone over the head .....
blaming a object is EASY.

 

[Remy]

He's literally one of the weirdest looking people I've ever seen. And as someone who didn't hit the looks jackpot, it's not something I usually judge people on. One of my first thoughts on seeing his picture was there is something really wrong here. Like fetal alcohol syndrome or something. I don't know.

Now contrast him with those good looking young people next to him. What's going on in their households to make them go out like this. None of those ones in the front look over 18 though I guess they could be.

 

[hollydolly]

@hollydolly That poor family. They look like nice people. Behind all these tragedies there is so much destruction and hurt left behind.

that man looks like a dignified decent human... who probably worked hard all his life, raised his family to be decent law abiding people, only for him to get to nearly 80 and be shot like a criminal.. by a gun toting cowardly waste of Oxygen ...

 

[Della]

In several cases these mass shooters were loners with no friends and dropouts. I had no family and few friends during high school and didn't really come out of my shell until I spent time at the Naval Academy in Annapolis. I went onto Officers Training School and then onto flight school. You learn to make friends on the way at each step. You don't get very far without have social contacts and friends when you are trying to reach your goals.

These mass murderers have no interest in much of anything. No goals, no friends and no one to encourage them to do better. Their mind becomes confused and they don't know what their purpose in life is. They have no ambition to do positive things. In the end, they hate people that have passed them by or overlooked them. They decided it's easier to hate than it is to love and instead of looking for the positive things in life, they decide they only deserve the worse that life has to offer. They haven't accomplished anything while here on earth and figure they have nothing to lose. These are things I learned in Psychology and Sociology classes. I don't think it's a one size fits all thing, but each mass murderer or serial killer has some of these traits. Someone really screwed with their minds during their growing years. I am not saying that we should pity these poor bastards, but in one way or another, they are all mentally defective.

Society needs to sort these people out before someone sells them a gun and I am all for each individual applying to buy a weapon should be mentally tested. This includes if someone wants to buy a weapon at a gun show. There are people smarter than me that can figure out a way to sort out the bad eggs, but we can't keep doing nothing. After each mass murder, we find out the shooter was in someway screwed up in the head. These are the people that need to be sorted out before they purchase a weapon.

I really liked the first part of your post, You sound like a real life example of a Gentleman and an Officer and I'm impressed with how you succeeded in life.

However, I'm always a little fearful of the idea that we can "sort out" the bad people in advance. There are no tests for many types of mental illnesses, even the best psychiatrists send people home as "cured" only to have them do something drastic the next day. On the other hand people with severe mental illnesses like schizophrenia who take medication are actually far less likely to do something violent than "normal" people. We just think they're violent because of all the poor crime drama writers who can't think of motives for their characters.

Prisons are full of violent criminals who have no definable mental illness at all, they just simply crave drugs that cost money or have no empathy for others so can kill people without remorse.

A woman came into Frish's yesterday while my husband and I were there who had covered her entire face with tattoos. Forehead, both cheeks, upper lip and chin. As we walked past her booth she looked up and caught my eye and we smiled at each other. She seemed perfectly nice.

I hate living in a world where people can't attend parades, have a picnic or take a walk in the park without getting shot, but I don't want to live in a world where police are called on people for being skinny and having neck tattoos either.

One thing we can do that hurts no one is make guns illegal for most people so that if someone has a really bad day he can't do this kind of damage.

 

[Jeni]

One thing we can do that hurts no one is make guns illegal for most people so that if someone has a really bad day he can't do this kind of damage.

This is the real debate :
when various ideas have flaws and workarounds..... the next step is more and more authoritarian and it ends up taking from everyone EXCEPT the criminals who guess what do not care if it is illegal.

who is the selected few whom it would not be illegal .....?
many items are illegal yet very easy to still get .....

 

[win231]

This argument will go on forever until some form of action is taken. Sane people shouldn’t be penalized for the nut jobs running around, but trying to divide the two groups has been a problem.

I walk into a gun store to buy a gun.
I choose my weapon of choice.
I am given a form to fill out just to run it through the system to make sure that I am legally able to buy a gun and not a felon.
If that form is acceptable, the next form is a psychological evaluation exam. On the exam is 50 questions, depending on how you answer the questions, will determine if you get a gun or will be required to get an in person mental assessment by a trained Psychiatrist.

Questions like: “Have you ever thought about shooting your boss, mother, father, neighbor or anyone?
Have you ever thought about shooting yourself?
Have you ever been so enraged that you threw something at someone?
If anyone has such an aggressive personality, they need to get a psychological assessment.

Who pays for all of this? The buyer of the weapon. Who else?

Just thinking out loud. It’s not a guarantee fix, but a starting place and it’s at least doing something.

"It's not a guarantee" is quite an understatement. It is laughable.
No psycho would be dumb enough to answer such questions honestly, knowing he wouldn't get the gun if he did.

 

[Della]

This is the real debate :
when various ideas have flaws and workarounds..... the next step is more and more authoritarian and it ends up taking from everyone EXCEPT the criminals who guess what do not care if it is illegal.

who is the selected few whom it would not be illegal .....?
many items are illegal yet very easy to still get .....

The select few would be military, ranchers with predator problems, police, etc.

No the criminals don't care if it's illegal, but you can't buy what isn't for sale and you can't steal what isn't there. Eventually guns would be very hard for the ordinary criminal to acquire.

Other countries that have outlawed guns find that there is far, far less gun death, and their societies didn't turn into authoritarian states. Guns are just one, unique very deadly thing. There's no reason to believe that if they are outlawed anything else would be in peril.

 

[oldman]

"It's not a guarantee" is quite an understatement. It is laughable.
No psycho would be dumb enough to answer such questions honestly, knowing he wouldn't get the gun if he did.

You don’t understand the concept. The question is, “Have you ever threatened to harm anyone or kill anyone?” You answer “No.” But, it doesn’t stop there. It’s a background check, so the questionnaire is handed off to an agent who goes out and speaks with the neighbors, former classmates, etc. If you were truthful, you get the gun. If you lied. You get the door. If there wasn’t someone checking the applicant’s answers, everyone would lie if they knew they had a black mark in their past.

I have had to complete many background checks. I just finished doing three background checks for NCAA basketball as an official. State Police, FBI and Children’s Protective Agency. I must pass all three.

 

[oldman]

I think I heard the shooter dressed up in women’s clothes. I guess he thought no one would suspect a female.

 

[SeniorBen]

Like abortion, nowhere in the Constitution does it mention AR-15 rifles or any right to own them. People may have a right to own weapons, but that right is not limitless. When the 2nd Amendment was written, muskets were the weapon of choice. Our Founding Fathers never envisioned the military style weapons people own today and would have recognized the dangers of allowing anyone with $500 and a semi-clean background to own one.

 

[SeniorBen]

You don’t understand the concept. The question is, “Have you ever threatened to harm anyone or kill anyone?” You answer “No.” But, it doesn’t stop there. It’s a background check, so the questionnaire is handed off to an agent who goes out and speaks with the neighbors, former classmates, etc. If you were truthful, you get the gun. If you lied. You get the door. If there wasn’t someone checking the applicant’s answers, everyone would lie if they knew they had a black mark in their past.

I have had to complete many background checks. I just finished doing three background checks for NCAA basketball as an official. State Police, FBI and Children’s Protective Agency. I must pass all three.

That sounds good in theory, but it would be an extremely expensive and time consuming process. That's the type of background check undergone for a security clearance, which may not be a bad idea for AR-15 style rifles and might solve the problem. A security clearance background check generally takes about three months, though. A federal law requiring such a background check would never pass. State laws might.

 

[oldman]

I went to school with a kid that was very much obese, not very good looking at all, his family was lower income and he just had nothing going for him. He was constantly being picked on, harassed, called names, laughed at in gym class, he was excused from having to shower I am guess because of his weight, he had no friends. The typical loner you wouldn’t have been surprised if he would have been a serial killer.

He was drafted out of high school and sent to Vietnam. Maybe 5 years later I saw him and if he hadn’t introduced himself to me, I wouldn’t have known him. He did a 1-80 and well for himself. Later, he was married and had a family. I was glad for him.

 

[hollydolly]

He's literally one of the weirdest looking people I've ever seen. And as someone who didn't hit the looks jackpot, it's not something I usually judge people on. One of my first thoughts on seeing his picture was there is something really wrong here. Like fetal alcohol syndrome or something. I don't know.

Now contrast him with those good looking young people next to him. What's going on in their households to make them go out like this. None of those ones in the front look over 18 though I guess they could be.

Crimo has distinctive facial tattoos, and wore women's clothing on Monday in an apparent effort to mask his identity, Chris Covelli, a spokesperson for the Lake County Sheriff's office, told reporters.

"He blended right in with everybody else as they were running around, almost as if he was an innocent spectator as well," Covelli said. The suspect fled to his mother's house nearby, and later borrowed his mother's car.

His father.. who ran for Mayor .. and is a local businessman

His Mother...

 

[Nosy Bee-54]

Highland Park Mayor Nancy Rotering knew Robert E Crimo III when she was his Cub Scout pack leader:

“Many years ago, he was just a little boy, a quiet little boy that I knew.”

“It breaks my heart. It absolutely breaks my heart. I see this picture and through the tattoos, I see the little boy. It’s heartbreaking. I don't know, I don't know what got him to this point, but let’s ask that question of so many people."

 

[Chet]

If crazy people want to harm others they will find a way. It doesn't have to be with a gun. The shooter had a car. He could have driven straight into the parade.

 

[SeniorBen]

If crazy people want to harm others they will find a way. It doesn't have to be with a gun. The shooter had a car. He could have driven straight into the parade.

Maybe you should have changed your avatar before making that post.

 

[hollydolly]

Jacki Sundheim, a longtime staffer at North Shore Congregation Israel, was shot and killed