A killer/robber has hit six 7-Eleven stores & killed 2 in California

This exactly why I say I have no use for criminals , and i support the police in any manner they arrest them ...... and hopefully that leads to a strong prosecution of them.

They prey on law abiding citizens , I have no idea why there are so many out there & [in here] that defend the criminals & chastise the police .
 
Police looking at the possibility that the suspect may have committed a string of robberies at the Inland Empire stores in the San Fernando Valley 2 days earlier. All robberies in a short time span in the am and suspect hid face.

https://abc7.com/san-fernando-valley-robberies-convenience-stores-7-eleven/12048220/

The big difference was Inland Empire robberies were with in walking distance while the 7 Eleven robberies were in 2 counties.

In the meantime 7-Elevens being asked to close at night.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/7-...couraged-to-close-following-deadly-robberies/
 
This exactly why I say I have no use for criminals , and i support the police in any manner they arrest them ...... and hopefully that leads to a strong prosecution of them.

They prey on law abiding citizens , I have no idea why there are so many out there & [in here] that defend the criminals & chastise the police .
You're confused. Nobody "defends the criminals." We just don't want criminal police officers.
 
You're confused. Nobody "defends the criminals." We just don't want criminal police officers.

I'm not confused at all ....... I know and understand what I read, and in so many posts regarding a police / criminal interaction the criminal is defended , and the officer(s) are chastised.

I do not want "criminal" police officers either .... but a criminal of any kind sets out to commit crime from the start , and i do not believe in theses cases that the police involved do anything like that.

And again, frankly when the two meet [criminal & police] I do not care how the police apprehend or stop them..... as long as they do.
 
That line of reasoning abolishes the entire 4th Amendment, very clever!


We are not talking about search & seizure here. We are talking about apprending a criminal ...... [apples & oranges] ........ see below.


Why is the 4th Amendment important in simple terms?


The Fourth Amendment is important because it protects American citizens from unreasonable search and seizure by the government, which includes police officers. It sets the legal standard that police officers must have probable cause and acquire a warrant before conducting a search.
 
We are not talking about search & seizure here. We are talking about apprending a criminal ...... [apples & oranges] ........ see below.


Why is the 4th Amendment important in simple terms?


The Fourth Amendment is important because it protects American citizens from unreasonable search and seizure by the government, which includes police officers. It sets the legal standard that police officers must have probable cause and acquire a warrant before conducting a search.
Stopping a person IS a Seizure! Learn the law.


"Seizure occurs when the government or its agent removes property from an individual's possession as a result of unlawful activity or to satisfy a judgment entered by the court."

No mention of stopping a person here ......
 
All this shooting and killing is just crazy! I wonder why he target 7 Elevens? I hope he is caught and severely punished.
I think he thinks the 7 Elevens and donut stores he might have hit were easy targets. Now that he's killed he might as well be robbing banks. Sadly this pos will probably go with those gas stations with stores inside. He seems to want a real quick get away.
 
Stopping a motor vehicle is a seizure, see Delaware v. Prouse.

Not what the dictionary quote says .....

And read your own evidence It points to the drugs found in the car .... not the car itself . And it states [hints] that in that case the officer had no reasonable cause for the stop. The same is not true in the Jayland Walker stop.

Are you proposing that an officer has no right to stop a suspected DUI , when he observes the car swerving ..... perhaps just to avoid a pothole ?

And keep in mind ...... driving is a privilege ..... not a right.


U.S. Supreme Court​

Delaware v. Prouse, 440 U.S. 648 (1979)
Delaware v. Prouse

No. 77-1571

Argued January 17, 1979

Decided March 27, 1979

440 U.S. 648




Syllabus

A patrolman in a police cruiser stopped an automobile occupied by respondent and seized marihuana in plain view on the car floor. Respondent was subsequently indicted for illegal possession of a controlled substance. At a hearing on respondent's motion to suppress the marihuana, the patrolman testified that, prior to stopping the vehicle, he had observed neither traffic or equipment violations nor any suspicious activity, and that he made the stop only in order to check the driver's license and the car's registration. The patrolman was not acting pursuant to any standards, guidelines, or procedures pertaining to document spot checks, promulgated by either his department or the State Attorney General. The trial court granted the motion to suppress, finding the stop and detention to have been wholly capricious, and therefore violative of the Fourth Amendment. The Delaware Supreme Court affirmed.

Held:

1. This Court has jurisdiction in this case even though the Delaware Supreme Court held that the stop at issue not only violated the Federal Constitution but also was impermissible under the Delaware Constitution. That court's opinion shows that, even if the State Constitution would have provided an adequate basis for the judgment below, the court did not intend to rest its decision independently on the State Constitution, its holding instead depending upon its view of the reach of the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments. Pp. 440 U. S. 651-653.

2. Except where there is at least articulable and reasonable suspicion that a motorist is unlicensed or that an automobile is not registered, or that either the vehicle or an occupant is otherwise subject to seizure for violation of law, stopping an automobile and detaining the driver in order to check his driver's license and the registration of the automobile are unreasonable under the Fourth Amendment. Pp. 440 U. S. 653-663.

(a) Stopping an automobile and detaining its occupants constitute a "seizure" within the meaning of the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments, even though the purpose of the stop is limited and the resulting detention quite brief. The permissibility of a particular law enforcement practice is judged by balancing its intrusion on the individual's Fourth Amendment interests against its promotion of legitimate governmental interests. Pp. 440 U. S. 653-655.

Page 440 U. S. 649



(b) The State's interest in discretionary spot checks as a means of ensuring the safety of its roadways does not outweigh the resulting intrusion on the privacy and security of the persons detained. Given the physical and psychological intrusion visited upon the occupants of a vehicle by a random stop to check documents, cf. United States v. Brignoni-Ponce, 422 U. 3. 873; United States v. Martinez-Fuerte, 428 U. S. 543, the marginal contribution to roadway safety possibly resulting from a system of spot checks cannot justify subjecting every occupant of every vehicle on the roads to a seizure at the unbridled discretion of law enforcement officials. Pp. 440 U. S. 655-661.

(c) An individual operating or traveling in an automobile does not lose all reasonable expectation of privacy simply because the automobile and its use are subject to government regulation. People are not shorn of all Fourth Amendment protection when they step from their homes onto the public sidewalk; nor are they shorn of those interests when they step from the sidewalks into their automobiles. Pp. 440 U. S. 662-663.

(d) The holding in this case does not preclude Delaware or other States from developing methods for spot checks that involve less intrusion or that do not involve the unconstrained exercise of discretion. Questioning of all oncoming traffic at roadblock-type stops is one possible alternative. P. 440 U. S. 663.

382 A.2d 1359, affirmed.

WHITE, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which BURGER, C.J., and BRENNAN, STEWART, MARSHALL, BLACKMUN, POWELL, and STEVENS, JJ., joined. BLACKMUN, J., filed a concurring opinion, in which POWELL, J., joined, post, p. 440 U. S. 663. REHNQUIST, J., filed a dissenting opinion, post, p. 440 U. S. 664.

Page 440 U. S. 650
 
Rgp, the specific facts are irrelevant to this:

(a) Stopping an automobile and detaining its occupants constitute a "seizure" within the meaning of the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments, even though the purpose of the stop is limited and the resulting detention quite brief.

Stop trying to run around that you are right.
 
Rgp, the specific facts are irrelevant to this:

(a) Stopping an automobile and detaining its occupants constitute a "seizure" within the meaning of the Fourth and Fourteenth Amendments, even though the purpose of the stop is limited and the resulting detention quite brief.

Stop trying to run around that you are right.

Not doing that at all ....... driving is a privilege , plain & simple. And an officer has every right to stop us , if he suspects anything, he does however need reasonable cause to suspect . Now, I assume the officers felt they had that cause when they attempted to stop Mr Walker.

Now, if in fact it is disclosed later that they did not have that cause .......... that would change everything.

All the above said ....... still no excuse for eluding the arrest. Surrender to the arrest , and if no suspicion of guilt is found ..... you will go home. He chose not to, and it cost him his life.
 
Enough of that. You said you condone any way police apprehend a criminal. Talking in Ohio now, what is a Crime. No specific offenses are necessary to cite.
 
Enough of that. You said you condone any way police apprehend a criminal. Talking in Ohio now, what is a Crime. No specific offenses are necessary to cite.

So OK, what's your point ? Frankly your reply makes no sence .

And i stand by my statement.

"Talking in Ohio now, what is a Crime. No specific offenses are necessary to cite."

These are your words .... not mine.
 
The point is did you know in Ohio depending on where you are you can be arrested for a simple traffic offense, as an example, rolling through a stop sign? That means it is a CRIME. That means the person who committed it is a Criminal, right? Do the police have the right to stop them any way they wish then, as you say.
 
The point is did you know in Ohio depending on where you are you can be arrested for a simple traffic offense, as an example, rolling through a stop sign? That means it is a CRIME. That means the person who committed it is a Criminal, right? Do the police have the right to stop them any way they wish then, as you say.

Well it is a crime ...... the sign says STOP .... not roll on through.

"Do the police have the right to stop them any way they wish then, as you say."

Yes , if they do not stop when ordered ?..... I believe the police have a right, indeed a duty to STOP them period.

Stop for the sign , or at the very least stop for the blue lights behind you.
 
Do the police have a right to PIT a car to stop them even before the car is lit up to stop, at that time the driver is under no order!
 


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