Oldest people, Healthiest, Getting worse, declining health because of diet of u.s.fast food.

[Just Jeff]

In my state we had a young man shot in the head (was DOA ) in a street fight......... but was listed as a covid death.

Yes, happens every day likely in most countries , to get the money, and to grow the reset agenda of those in power.
The man who fell off the ladder was not unique - there are millions of other examples , not just nor only during the last few years covid time, but all the way back to the spanish flu and other troubles - fraudulent history re-written both as it happens, and there-after, by those in control.

Remember also both the President AND congressman who was a licensed practicing doctor at a hospital publicly stated without hesitation - we are told to call any death a covid death so the hospital gets thousands of dollars more with each death.

 

[Murrmurr]

I have mentioned on SF before that on my way to exercise any morning of the week, the drive-thru at a McDonald's have two lanes stacked deep. It is easier to buy prepared breakfasts than to utilize one's kitchen for something fresher and heathier.

It's a crime that health experts don't hold fast-food restaurants to a higher nutritional standard and that the FDA refuses to ban harmful food ingredients and processes.

The very first McDonald's used fresh, quality, local food. Meat was purchased a night or two before, veggies were kept no longer than 3 days, buns were delivered fresh daily from a nearby bakery. (this was before Ray Kroc bought the rights to McDonald's from the McDonald brothers)

 

[StarSong]

All these anecdotal stories aside, a handful of which are probably true, Covid has claimed millions of lives in the US and throughout the world.

@AnnieA works in the medical field. If she says she personally knows a case where a slim, fit woman died of Covid in her 40s, I believe her. Not all who've died of Covid fit the "overweight or poor health or elderly" categories. Most did, but not all. Not by a long shot.

Returning to the original topic, while it's true that many of today's young adults were not raised on home cooked meals made with fresh ingredients, ignorance of how to do so is no longer an excuse. There are hundreds of thousands (millions?) of online recipes and videos, plus electronic and paper books, all spotlighting healthy foods, recipes and healthy cooking techniques.

Bottom line to healthy eating: Eat real food, mostly plants and plant based (like whole grains). Avoid sodium and processed foods. Skip added fats and oils, even those that claim they're "healthy" for you. (They're not.) Take it easy on the alcohol.

 

[Just Jeff]

If she says she personally knows a case where a slim, fit woman died of Covid in her 40s, I believe her.

She, like millions or even billions of others

were all told it was covid. That still does not make it true, like many other things people are told are not true as well.

She conveyed what she was told, like the others do or could, and without any proof.

Meanwhile, bribes are very common, and the proof of fraud is widely available.

 

[Jeni]

It's a crime that health experts don't hold fast-food restaurants to a higher nutritional standard and that the FDA refuses to ban harmful food ingredients and processes.

"health experts " do not make the decisions elected politicians do .... fast food in not the only problem low nutrition garbage in stores as well
example the food stamp program is run by the department of agriculture .........
there are many many requests from individual states to limit what is Food stamp eligible .........they almost always are never addressed...

if a state wants to take off candy/ energy drinks/ soda and other low nutrient food off their hands are tied.....

it would be a REAL show of leadership if the food stamp program was run more like the WIC program ......

WIC limits items to nutritional ones only ...
for example low sugar cereals like cheerios ok..... but not things like trix/ fruit loops / captain crunch etc...
Juice on wic has to be above certain % of real juice not flavored water that passes as a juice cocktail etc.

the framework of a program is already there build from that and require limits on sodium or additives etc the food industry would "improve" to make the cut ASAP

Both are federal programs and simple implementing new standards should be easier to do then deciding what a PRIVATE business should and should not do.

 

[MountainRa]

Sometimes a plentiful healthy diet is a luxury American families can’t achieve. Families cannot afford to have just one income earner. It takes two wage earners working full time just to keep their head above water. No one is home to plan and prepare a ‘from scratch‘ meal . Or they are in the car commuting to/from work, chauffeuring kids here and there. It takes a lot of discipline and dedication to not whip into that drive through after a long tiring day of what is quite likely a low paying job. Some areas of our country live in what is called a food desert and the only shopping option is the local convenience store.

iI shouldn’t be that way in America. I wish it wasn’t . It’s easy to blame our poor diets on laziness or ignorance, or women working outside the home. And yes, sometimes that’s the case.
But until we take a good look at our culture - especially for what remains of the working middle class - we are going to continue to see a decline in American health. We can’t afford to get healthy and we sure can’t afford to get sick under American health care system.

 

[Murrmurr]

"health experts " do not make the decisions elected politicians do .... fast food in not the only problem low nutrition garbage in stores as well
example the food stamp program is run by the department of agriculture .........
there are many many requests from individual states to limit what is Food stamp eligible .........they almost always are never addressed...

if a state wants to take off candy/ energy drinks/ soda and other low nutrient food off their hands are tied.....

it would be a REAL show of leadership if the food stamp program was run more like the WIC program ......

WIC limits items to nutritional ones only ...
for example low sugar cereals like cheerios ok..... but not things like trix/ fruit loops / captain crunch etc...
Juice on wic has to be above certain % of real juice not flavored water that passes as a juice cocktail etc.

the framework of a program is already there build from that and require limits on sodium or additives etc the food industry would "improve" to make the cut ASAP

If, for example, health experts and medical researchers proved to the FDA that a specific food dye caused neurological injury to children, and so the FDA banned this dye - banned its manufacture, its import, and its use entirely - then politicians couldn't make any decisions regarding that food dye...because it would not be in use. It wouldn't be available. It may as well not exist.

So, I don't quite understand what you're saying.

 

[Just Jeff]

It's a crime that health experts don't hold fast-food restaurants to a higher nutritional standard and that the FDA refuses to ban harmful food ingredients and processes.

The fda is a crime.

 

[Wontactmyage]

I don't disagree with you, but I do remember when Michelle Obama tried to implement healthy school lunches, better food labeling and more activity for children and received lots of pushback. Was she considered PC?

Michelle Obama’s program was a huge fail! I know many churches that bought into her program and the food was junk. The nutritionists didn’t want to use it but… because they were obligated because they bought into it. Many nutritional people personally brought in healthy things and used the Obama items as side ingredients or made recipes that they could use for better meals for the children. I knew of a nutritionist that quit her job because she objected to them. She also had two small children that she moved to a different facility that cooked better food or she cooked and had them take their lunch.

 

[David777]

 

[Jeni]

If, for example, health experts and medical researchers proved to the FDA that a specific food dye caused neurological injury to children, and so the FDA banned this dye - banned its manufacture, its import, and its use entirely - then politicians couldn't make any decisions regarding that food dye...because it would not be in use. It wouldn't be available. It may as well not exist.

So, I don't quite understand what you're saying.

FDA seems a bit unsure of where it stands ....... until polls or politicians support approval or such ...
i do not see them as a credible or independent ...just the facts type of institution anymore....
my examples show how it would take the work of many entities to just change a program the government runs.......
no one seems to want to fix a flawed government program ........
but so many seem to think they can and should put more and more rules on private business....

As for Mrs Obama's efforts.............. i think she meant well.......... but statements like "they will eat the changed lunches, if they get hungry enough" went over like a lead balloon

 

[Blessed]

I am going to say,yes, I sometimes eat fast food. It is a rare thing but sometimes you want something from your youth. I am big on cooking my own food, I still eat hamburgers I make at home, I still eat pizza I make at home, I even make my own pizza dough. I bake my own bread, make my own cookies, cakes and pies. I buy fresh veggies and fruits that I process myself.

I grew up in a family that many would call poor. How is it poor to have the land to grow your vegetables and fruit. Is it poor to can and freeze those things so you have that bounty all year. Is it poor to teach your children about hard work and the joy of growing your own food.

We did buy meat from local producers, beef, chicken and pork. Farm raised.

 

[Murrmurr]

FDA seems a bit unsure of where it stands ....... until polls or politicians support approval or such ...
i do not see them as a credible or independent ...just the facts type of institution anymore....
my examples show how it would take the work of many entities to just change a program the government runs.......
no one seems to want to fix a flawed government program ........
but so many seem to think they can and should put more and more rules on private business....

As for Mrs Obama's efforts.............. i think she meant well.......... but statements like "they will eat the changed lunches, if they get hungry enough" went over like a lead balloon

Got it. Yeah, that's why my post begins "It's a crime...."

 

[AnnieA]

Prove it was covid. It usually is not. Hardly ever. Same thing happened with sars 'epidemic' years ago, I think. Other things caused the deaths.

It was according to her MD cousin--husband of a woman from my home town. From his post, she had a classic case. Few days of feeling bad, a good few days, then tanked with low O2 sats, CT showed distinctive Covid pneumonia; she was admitted at this point, put on a ventilator but didn't make it. It's noteworthy that her MD cousin is one of many, many health practitioners who feels the US medical establishment from the top has mishandled Covid with a resulting death toll that's much higher than it should be.

 

[dseag2]

I am going to say,yes, I sometimes eat fast food. It is a rare thing but sometimes you want something from your youth. I am big on cooking my own food, I still eat hamburgers I make at home, I still eat pizza I make at home, I even make my own pizza dough. I bake my own bread, make my own cookies, cakes and pies. I buy fresh veggies and fruits that I process myself.

I grew up in a family that many would call poor. How is it poor to have the land to grow your vegetables and fruit. Is it poor to can and freeze those things so you have that bounty all year. Is it poor to teach your children about hard work and the joy of growing your own food.

We did buy meat from local producers, beef, chicken and pork. Farm raised.

My grandfather could have been considered poor, but he had lots of acreage and raised and canned his own vegetables. I don't remembering him and my step-grandmother ever going out to eat. All meals were home-cooked. And he lived to be 98 y/o.

 

[Michael Z]

Watch “Diet Fiction” on Amazon Prime (Freevee). It sheds a lot of light on what a good diet is. After watching, you won’t be surprised as to why those Japanese lived to 100.

 

[Just Jeff]

It was according to her MD cousin--husband of a woman from my home town. From his post, she had a classic case. Few days of feeling bad, a good few days, then tanked with low O2 sats, CT showed distinctive Covid pneumonia; she was admitted at this point, put on a ventilator but didn't make it. It's noteworthy that her MD cousin is one of many, many health practitioners who feels the US medical establishment from the top has mishandled Covid with a resulting death toll that's much higher than it should be.

Note that fifty percent of people put on a ventilator died from the tube being put down their throat. Not from any virus.
If oxygen was given right away via a cpap type device over the mouth, instead of the dangerous ventilator , people usually got to go home within 3 days or less.
So again, no proof of a virus causing the death.
The death toll is not from a virus, but from things done by government and doctors under direction of pharmakeia, deceiving the public.

 

[Just Jeff]

Remember also both the President AND congressman who was a licensed practicing doctor at a hospital publicly stated without hesitation - we are told to call any death a covid death so the hospital gets thousands of dollars more with each death.

And then there was this, daily.

 

[StarSong]

"health experts " do not make the decisions elected politicians do .... fast food in not the only problem low nutrition garbage in stores as well
example the food stamp program is run by the department of agriculture .........
there are many many requests from individual states to limit what is Food stamp eligible .........they almost always are never addressed...

if a state wants to take off candy/ energy drinks/ soda and other low nutrient food off their hands are tied.....

it would be a REAL show of leadership if the food stamp program was run more like the WIC program ......

WIC limits items to nutritional ones only ...
for example low sugar cereals like cheerios ok..... but not things like trix/ fruit loops / captain crunch etc...
Juice on wic has to be above certain % of real juice not flavored water that passes as a juice cocktail etc.

the framework of a program is already there build from that and require limits on sodium or additives etc the food industry would "improve" to make the cut ASAP

Both are federal programs and simple implementing new standards should be easier to do then deciding what a PRIVATE business should and should not do.

I get where you're going here, but think there should be some allowance for other foods. I worked as grocery checker in a lower economic area for a short time in the early 80s. Back then it was obvious to onlookers whether someone was using cash, check or food stamps for groceries.

A woman with a roughly 8 year old daughter came through my checkstand. Among their purchases was an inexpensive, store made birthday cake. From the joy in the little girl's eyes and bounce in her step, it was clear this cake was a rare treat, and the celebration would be in her honor. I'm smiling now just remembering her delight.

After the woman and her child went on their way, the next customer grumbled that HER tax dollars shouldn't be wasted on frivolous groceries like cake. I looked at her and said, "So that little girl should celebrate her birthday with what, a bunch of broccoli? Poor children are entitled to some joy on their birthdays, too, don't you think?"

She said nothing. Just paid and left, but the next customer thanked me for reminding people that helping others should be done with an open hand and open heart.

That story aside, I saw a lot of people who bought junk food and spent food stamps without getting the most nutritional bang for their buck. Whether they didn't know how to cook, didn't have a sufficiently outfitted kitchen, didn't have time, or what, I couldn't say.

I will NEVER understand why women cannot purchase menstrual supplies with SNAP funds (food stamps).

 

[StarSong]

Note that fifty percent of people put on a ventilator died from the tube being put down their throat. Not from any virus.
If oxygen was given right away via a cpap type device over the mouth, instead of the dangerous ventilator , people usually got to go home within 3 days or less.
So again, no proof of a virus causing the death.
The death toll is not from a virus, but from things done by government and doctors under direction of pharmakeia, deceiving the public.

There are numerous Covid threads on this forum. Can we please stay on the nutrition topic on this one?

 

[Just Jeff]

There are numerous Covid threads on this forum. Can we please stay on the nutrition topic on this one?

I started this thread, and if you will post the truth about anything, fell free to do so.

So-called cvd symptoms , like most other troubles, diseases, ailments, are easily handled via good eating habits short and long term, lifetime,
and
all this would be nice to know for people who are not sick yet, and who do not want to be made sicker because of the greed of the system.

 

[Just Jeff]

I will NEVER understand why women cannot purchase menstrual supplies with SNAP funds (food stamps).

... nor diapers, nor toilet paper, nor healing supplements....

... I understand why, and it is devastating.

 

[AnnieA]

Note that fifty percent of people put on a ventilator died from the tube being put down their throat. Not from any virus.
If oxygen was given right away via a cpap type device over the mouth, instead of the dangerous ventilator , people usually got to go home within 3 days or less.
So again, no proof of a virus causing the death.
The death toll is not from a virus, but from things done by government and doctors under direction of pharmakeia, deceiving the public.

Stop assuming. She died a year after we learned of the dangers of early ventilation. Protocol at the time she died was O2, bipap if that failed and ventilator as a last resort. There are always outliers in medicine; she, unfortunately was one.

 

[RadishRose]

 

[StarSong]

I started this thread, and if you will post the truth about anything, fell free to do so.

So-called cvd symptoms , like most other troubles, diseases, ailments, are easily handled via good eating habits short and long term, lifetime,
and
all this would be nice to know for people who are not sick yet, and who do not want to be made sicker because of the greed of the system.

Many SF-ers are avoiding Covid threads because they're so divisive, positions are entrenched, and very few here, if any, have changed their opinions on Covid over the past 18 months.

Now that this thread is focusing on Covid, I'm unwatching it. No offense meant to you, Jeff, I just have no interest in further debates on whether Covid is real, whether people have actually died from it, what stats to believe, and so forth.