CDC Admits Failure

America’s Pandemic Failures
The C.D.C. acknowledged it had botched its Covid response. It is part of a broader set of failures.
NY Times 18Aug2022
Full article URL: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/briefing/monkeypox-cdc-walensky-covid.html

(excerpt)
Fragmented systems
Another problem that made the U.S.’s Covid and monkeypox responses less effective: The American public health system is divided — among the federal government, 50 states, thousands of local governments and many more private organizations and workers both inside and outside the health care system.

We saw the results when the U.S. first started distributing Covid vaccines. Poor planning and communication between the layers of government, along with limited supply, made it harder for front-line officials to plan for how many shots they could get in arms. Similar problems have appeared with monkeypox vaccine distribution.

The C.D.C. is a key federal agency that is supposed to rise above this fragmentation and help coordinate the national response to disease outbreaks. But throughout the pandemic, as Walensky acknowledged, it has struggled. And it seems to be struggling with monkeypox, too.

Reactive, not proactive
Many of these problems could have been avoided with better pandemic preparedness. The federal government could have, for example, bulked up mask stockpiles or manufacturing before the pandemic, easing early concerns about shortages.

But the U.S. has underfunded public health for years, experts said. So when Covid first began to spread, officials suddenly had to shift limited resources to deal with a crisis that had caught them by surprise — making mistakes more likely. In the early days of the pandemic, experts often said that the plane was being built as it was being flown.

Covid has worsened the problem. “Health departments have lost a lot of staff and have been very burned out,” said Caitlin Rivers, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. “There’s just not a lot left to bring resources to their full potential.”

To address the gaps, the Biden administration has called for tens of billions more in funding for pandemic preparedness. Congress has so far ignored those proposals, in what seems like history repeating itself.

The bottom line

Nearly three years into Covid, the U.S. is still not ready for the next pandemic. The C.D.C. is moving to remedy some of the problems plaguing the country’s public health system. Those changes, along with the broader lessons from Covid and monkeypox, could be the difference between another deadly pandemic and a crisis averted.
 
Isn't it something that 3 yrs after the start of this that someone is finally being held accountable.
I knew there was something wrong the whole time and never got any of these shots.
I'm still being safe though with masks and distancing.

https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2022/0...idance-yet-no-one-is-held-accountable-n614162
I also knew there was something wrong & chose not to get any vaccines. They knew what fear does to people's logic & they played it to the hilt.
In fact, I knew we were being fed BS a few weeks into it. And once someone lies to me, I don't believe anything they say.
 
Gosh I remember all that craziness about people making their own masks because they were in short supply, you'd think something like that could have been stockpiled. It was more understandable that ventilators hadn't been stockpiled.

I wound up getting several homemade masks my daughter bought for me, and also a box of surgical masks from Amazon, and much later some N94 ones from Amazon that came from Korea. But I didn't use very many masks because I just didn't go anywhere.

Sure would be nice if we were more ready for the next pandemic. But, I don't think it is just USA that wasn't prepared, didn't we always hear that Australia was very prepared and we'd see pictures of big rooms of empty beds, but then when Covid got to Australia the positive people were housed in hotels instead weren't they?
 
This was their biggest blunder, of which Fauci was a major player:

One memorable example was officials’ initial, monthslong refusal to recommend that the public wear masks — not because they thought masks were ineffective, but because they worried that public demand would cause a shortage of masks for health care workers.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/18/briefing/monkeypox-cdc-walensky-covid.html

Every time Fauci would come on the air, I would tell him (via the TV), "Tell people to wear masks. Tell people to wear masks," but it was many months before they finally did. That whole business about worrying that public demand would cause shortages was pure B.S. When people were finally told to wear masks, it created a new industry of home mask production and sales. Who knows how many lives could have been saved had the CDC been honest about masks.
 
IMO the CDC did the best they could with the information they had at the time.

IMO most of the confusion, misinformation, and chaos was created by the executive branch of our government.

It’s always helpful to do a postmortem in an effort to improve the process, but it’s unfair to apply today’s knowledge to yesterday’s performance.
 
Regardless of the source of the above link, I saw on the news and read elsewhere that CDC's director is making sweeping changes and I posted about it. So that the failure was admitted is factual. Here's what I posted:
https://www.seniorforums.com/thread...gency-dissatisfied-with-covid-response.73895/
I have seen many interviews with CDC heads in the last two or more years. I agree they have admitted to failure to act and react to COVID, as well they should. Never did I think they were lying or deceiving the public, instead they were trying to share what knowledge they had at the time.
The former administration stifled their attempts to share knowledge for months as the pandemic spread, even asking Dr. Birk if we could drink bleach. o_O
Yes, they are working hard to find a reasonable and accurate way to contain this disease. I adhere to the guidelines set out to protect infections, and will continue to do so, including getting my boosters as needed.
 
Gosh I remember all that craziness about people making their own masks because they were in short supply, you'd think something like that could have been stockpiled. It was more understandable that ventilators hadn't been stockpiled.

I wound up getting several homemade masks my daughter bought for me, and also a box of surgical masks from Amazon, and much later some N94 ones from Amazon that came from Korea. But I didn't use very many masks because I just didn't go anywhere.

Sure would be nice if we were more ready for the next pandemic. But, I don't think it is just USA that wasn't prepared, didn't we always hear that Australia was very prepared and we'd see pictures of big rooms of empty beds, but then when Covid got to Australia the positive people were housed in hotels instead weren't they?
About the only thing we are prepared for is nuclear war. Beyond that, government is seldom prepared. It fiddles with unimportant things and mostly avoids passing helpful laws. Instead, it reacts to disaster, even disasters we knew were coming, and it reacts with bumbling, fumbling, and surprise like not wanting a disaster was all that was ever necessary, but God forbid, don't prepare for anything. That would distract us from our petty desires and comforts. Being awakened from a nightmare only to find that the house is on fire is how government works.
 
Expecting perfection in an situation that was unfolding world wide is easy to do especially if it isn't our responsibility to put a plan in action. I'm not sure but I don't think there is an instruction book on how to react to a pandemic.

My take on this is it's a valuable learning lesson. The caveat is. What to prepare for so that after the fact opinions by armchair critics about how it should have been handled might be less.
 
Well I have this much to say.. I can't stand this and I know6 people that have or had it. 1 of my best friends has it right now.
I don't like the fact that she hasn't even the energy to talk on the phone. :( When she hurts so do I..
I wish that someone would really truly come up with something that would eradicate this problem permanently.
It looks like that's not anytime soon. ;)
 
Expecting perfection in an situation that was unfolding world wide is easy to do especially if it isn't our responsibility to put a plan in action. I'm not sure but I don't think there is an instruction book on how to react to a pandemic.

My take on this is it's a valuable learning lesson. The caveat is. What to prepare for so that after the fact opinions by armchair critics about how it should have been handled might be less.
Big difference between expecting perfection & expecting honesty.
 
Isn't it something that 3 yrs after the start of this that someone is finally being held accountable.
I knew there was something wrong the whole time and never got any of these shots.
I'm still being safe though with masks and distancing.

https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2022/0...idance-yet-no-one-is-held-accountable-n614162
That's pretty cute, PreciousDove, sneaking a right-wing political blog into this forum under the guise of being a Covid discussion. Red State is a publication of the far right, spewing out their hatred of our current President and his administration. Just google redstate.com to see all the anti-Biden rhetoric.

This topic should be immediately removed or locked down, as it is not about Covid, it is about politics.
 
Isn't it something that 3 yrs after the start of this that someone is finally being held accountable.
I knew there was something wrong the whole time and never got any of these shots.
I'm still being safe though with masks and distancing.

https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2022/0...idance-yet-no-one-is-held-accountable-n614162
https://english.news.cn/northamerica/20220819/0b5d33bafc1e4417a578d93d70cd787b/c.html

This is to show I was not using this as a political post..
My last posts tell how I know people that have or had it and now I'm happy someone is taking responsibility on it.
The first link was the first one that happened to come up.
Sorry it that offended anyone. This topic can be google with more links.
 
The pandemic really divided this country and drove fear into the ignorant masses. You can still see this ignorance as some folks are wearing masks while they are driving their cars/trucks with no one else besides them. In addition, it made millions for some companies.
Well, those driving maskers are sorta fun to watch. Especially when they're also wearing gloves. :)
 
it is not about Covid, it is about politics.
I think that describes about 90% of the Covid threads. However I am glad they haven't been deleted.
Expecting perfection in an situation that was unfolding world wide is easy to do especially if it isn't our responsibility to put a plan in action. I'm not sure but I don't think there is an instruction book on how to react to a pandemic.

My take on this is it's a valuable learning lesson. The caveat is. What to prepare for so that after the fact opinions by armchair critics about how it should have been handled might be less.
I think that makes sense, however I am not sure we have learned many useful lessons.
Big difference between expecting perfection & expecting honesty.
Not sure there was so much dishonesty as some mix of incompetence, disorganization, and a desire to make it look like they understood things when they didn't. Either way I hope we can learn from it and do better the next time, but am skeptical...
 
The pandemic was politicized and the vaccine was stigmatized... by the frickin' president!.. as well as other politicians and cable news pundits. Many people on their deathbeds who believed the conspiracy theories asked to be vaccinated, but by then, it was too late. Vaccines are for prevention of the disease — not for treatment when you're already infected. The last words for many of them were "I should have gotten vaccinated." The vast majority of covid-19 deaths were of unvaccinated people, and the reason people were and are unvaccinated is due to the politicization of the vaccine.
 
I think that describes about 90% of the Covid threads. However I am glad they haven't been deleted.

I think that makes sense, however I am not sure we have learned many useful lessons.

Not sure there was so much dishonesty as some mix of incompetence, disorganization, and a desire to make it look like they understood things when they didn't. Either way I hope we can learn from it and do better the next time, but am skeptical...
I consider it dishonest to fabricate tales of "So many Covid deaths, refrigerated meat trucks were put in hospital parking lots to store bodies."
And, "Gurneys with Covid victims lined up in hospital corridors." (I took 4 friends & family to 4 different hospitals & saw no such thing).
And, at first, the coroner reported, "No signs of trauma on Bob Saget's body." Later, (when they realized what that would do to vaccine sales:
"He died of a head injury from a fall."

Amazing how people will keep believing someone who already lied to them.......
 
I consider it dishonest to fabricate tales of "So many Covid deaths, refrigerated meat trucks were put in hospital parking lots to store bodies."
And, "Gurneys with Covid victims lined up in hospital corridors." (I took 4 friends & family to 4 different hospitals & saw no such thing).
And, at first, the coroner reported, "No signs of trauma on Bob Saget's body." Later, (when they realized what that would do to vaccine sales:
"He died of a head injury from a fall."
Maybe, but I suspect those are mostly urban myths repeated until some started to believe. Not a responsible thing to do, but not what I think of as dishonesty. Though there probably were a few people who repeated those things knowing they weren't likely true.
The pandemic was politicized and the vaccine was stigmatized... by the frickin' president!..
Yeah, he contributed. Never understood it he had some basis for claiming credit for the rapid development of the vaccine, most politicians would be happy to make the most of that... Got to be careful here, we are getting onto shaky SF ground.
 


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