Why are young men in crisis?

MarciKS said:
A lot of these guys have no drive whatsoever. They wanna stay home and play video games. They don't wanna work. That is something that a person can't blame on a woman. That is all them. It's called laziness. Are they feeling emasculated because we can take care of ourselves now? Because we don't have to rely on them or need them? Is that the issue?
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I will agree with you on that point. My nephew had no ambition whatsoever, played video games all day and became overweight. My sister-in-law encouraged him to join the Navy.

He has been stationed in Japan for a couple of years. He flew home via Dallas last Christmas and his "uncles" had dinner with him. He is now a responsible young man with specific responsibilities aboard his particular ship. This speaks to earlier posts re: requiring young men to engage in some type of public service to provide goals and meaning.
 

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I will agree with you on that point. My nephew had no ambition whatsoever, played video games all day and became overweight. My sister-in-law encouraged him to join the Navy.

He has been stationed in Japan for a couple of years. He flew home via Dallas last Christmas and his "uncles" had dinner with him. He is now a responsible young man with specific responsibilities aboard his particular ship. This speaks to earlier posts re: requiring young men to engage in some type of public service to provide goals and meaning.
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Feeling he had nothing to aspire to. I think what could turn that around is giving our school system an overhaul. More emphasis on academics, less on behavior, politics, and what kids wear. Allow the competitive spirit to make a comeback, organically. Teach kids stuff with their futures in mind, like job skills, banking, saving, and investing, entrepreneurship and innovation, etc.
 
I don't believe cell phones, the internet or technology are detrimental to the male libido. Nor do I believe an Army Drill Sergeant is going to make "a man out of you" Nor do I believe that most men, who are rejected by a desirable female, are going to go off in the woods to slit their throats. The majority of men work in construction and manufacturing. Women still work in care and office positions. Those numbers are fairly consistent. What has changed is college admissions. Women are attending college in greater number than males. And male numbers are declining. And it is not that women are taking up seats from men. Why male college numbers are decreasing, I don't know. All college admissions are decreasing. Why they are, I don't know. But it is affecting both men, and women. It is somewhat troubling, but a "male crisis"?????? And as tradition, males, in college, continue to dominate engineering and the the sciences.
And I can't believe that if a young man has more sex that will solve the "crisis". I do believe there is a trend for men to wear beards. It might be a fad or a hyper-masculinization for some insecurity, but again , "crisis"?
 

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fuzzybuddy said:
I don't believe cell phones, the internet or technology are detrimental to the male libido. Nor do I believe an Army Drill Sergeant is going to make "a man out of you" Nor do I believe that most men, who are rejected by a desirable female, are going to go off in the woods to slit their throats. The majority of men work in construction and manufacturing. Women still work in care and office positions. Those numbers are fairly consistent. What has changed is college admissions. Women are attending college in greater number than males. And male numbers are declining. And it is not that women are taking up seats from men. Why male college numbers are decreasing, I don't know. All college admissions are decreasing. Why they are, I don't know. It is somewhat troubling, but a "male crisis"?????? And as tradition, males continue to dominate engineering and the the sciences.
And I can't believe that if a young man has more sex that will solve the "crisis". I do believe there is a trend for men to wear beards. It might be a fad or a hyper-masculinization for some insecurity, but again , "crisis"?
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You believe whatever you want to believe, and I'll believe whatever I want to believe. That's what makes this a great forum.
 
Nathan said:
Please point out where in this thread that women where being 'blamed'. The topic is "why are young men in crisis", I surely didn't foresee the thread being hijacked and turned into a male bashing fest.
It's a bit appalling to see such a complete lack of empathy from female posters.
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This post Murmur made makes it sound as though he is laying blame on the women for making them feel emasculated that's why I responded the way that I did. I'm not male bashing I'm trying to understand how it's the woman's fault if she went out and got a job and the guy no longer feels manly enough? I don't know. It's not that I have no empathy. I understand that there is no structure for our youth anymore. They have to find it on their own and it doesn't always go as planned. I think we have a major crisis for our youth period. Not trying to hijack anything. Since my opinion can't be voiced without finger pointing and accusing me of trying to derail, I'll just leave you to it. Sorry for trying to participate in a discussion. This is why I don't like posting much on here because I feel like I just get stomped on every time I say something.
Murrmurr said:
Women can have equal power (status), but can't they have it without emasculating men? Why do men have to be torn down so that women can achieve equal status?
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MarciKS said:
This post Murmur made makes it sound as though he is laying blame on the women for making them feel emasculated that's why I responded the way that I did. I'm not male bashing I'm trying to understand how it's the woman's fault if she went out and got a job and the guy no longer feels manly enough? I don't know. It's not that I have no empathy. I understand that there is no structure for our youth anymore. They have to find it on their own and it doesn't always go as planned. I think we have a major crisis for our youth period. Not trying to hijack anything. Since my opinion can't be voiced without finger pointing and accusing me of trying to derail, I'll just leave you to it. Sorry for trying to participate in a discussion. This is why I don't like posting much on here because I feel like I just get stomped on every time I say something
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You are all my friends here, so what I will say is that I don't think women are emasculating men at all. My personal feeling is that men may be threatened by women for some unknown reason and are choosing to act out as a result. Perhaps it is rejection?

Please do not be hesitant to post here. We need to hear all sides of every topic, and you raise some good points.
 
I didn't know young men were in crisis, but it wouldn't surprise me if they are since the whole country is in a crisis. It's seems to me that a country so divided and at each other's throats, would be the precise environment that would pass it's own crisis onto it's youth. The youth evolve in the environment they are exposed to. And if what they are exposed to is hate and bitterness, that becomes normal and acceptable.
 
jimintoronto said:
The idea of "universal military service " in the USA is a terrible idea. Why ? Does no one here remember the Vietnam war era ? When young Americans fled the country, or faked being a homosexual, to get out of military service ? When the privileged young men who attended college were given deferments, while the poor and uneducated were sent to fight a war on the other side of the world ? In my personal military experience ( Canadian Army in the 1970's ) I learned that the LAST thing a military training program needs is people who DO NOT WANT TO BE THERE. It is hard enough to motivate people who volunteered to be there, never mind people who are being FORCED to be there. That group will be disruptive, unruly, and argumentative, and find every way to sidetrack the program. I understand the concept, but the actuality will be what we used to call a cluster****. Perhaps the alternative might be.....A voluntary training program that teaches young people practical skills for 3 months, then they go out ( with trained instructors ) to put those skills to work. Learning how to repair and maintain small engines, such as lawn mowers, or chain saws, or snow blowers, or learning how to spray paint vehicles, or build brick walls, is a worthwhile idea. JimB.
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Small engine repair is going by the wayside now that (mostly) everyone is transitioning to electric lawn and garden equipment. Those jobs didn't pay much, anyway. Construction trades are good fields to learn and in great demand right now. HVAC is probably a great field to get into. The warming climate is going to create more and more demand for air conditioning.
 
MarciKS said:
This post Murmur made makes it sound as though he is laying blame on the women for making them feel emasculated that's why I responded the way that I did. I'm not male bashing
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@MarciKS , Thanks for clarifying your thoughts, I don't think @Murrmurr was laying the blame on women per se, but you must understand that men in general have been attacked, blamed and emasculated over countless issues over the years by the more vocal females, in various gender war skirmishes. Sorry for being "gun shy", the scars may scab over but they never go away.

MarciKS said:
Since my opinion can't be voiced without finger pointing and accusing me of trying to derail, I'll just leave you to it. Sorry for trying to participate in a discussion. This is why I don't like posting much on here because I feel like I just get stomped on every time I say something.
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Don't feel sorry for participating, we all get our feelings squashed now and then, as we debate the hot button issues of the day. As @dseag2 said, we are all friends(at least we try to be!), and I'm sorry if I misjudged your intentions.
 
Nathan said:
@MarciKS , Thanks for clarifying your thoughts, I don't think @Murrmurr was laying the blame on women per se, but you must understand that men in general have been attacked, blamed and emasculated over countless issues over the years by the more vocal females, in various gender war skirmishes. Sorry for being "gun shy", the scars may scab over but they never go away.


Don't feel sorry for participating, we all get our feelings squashed now and then, as we debate the hot button issues of the day. As @dseag2 said, we are all friends(at least we try to be!), and I'm sorry if I misjudged your intentions.
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ok :)
 
I disagree strongly with the notion that young men or boys in the U.S. are generally in some sort of 'crisis.' Even when children come from impoverished single parent homes, most of them turn out quite well. Adversity while growing up is often the mother of strength and character in adult life. The fact that we seem to be having so many 'new' problems with shootings and mass murders must, in my view, be attributed to: 1) the breakdown of family culture. Some people should simply not have children. "The apple does not fall far from the tree" and; 2) the ready availability of semi-automatic military type assault weaponry that has absolutely no reason to exist in any civilized society. Unfortunately, the U.S. has ceased being the civilized society it once was. When I grew up around all the guns my WW2 vet NRA father used to have, semi-automatic assault rifles were simply not part of the landscape. Hunting deer with an assault rifle would have been anathema to someone like my dad. How these crazy weapons became 'mainstream' without opposition is simply a reflection of how crazy many of our adult male citizens have become in the U.S. In short, boys and young men are not the problem. Old men are the problem. Old crazy men.
 
MarciKS said:
This post Murmur made makes it sound as though he is laying blame on the women for making them feel emasculated that's why I responded the way that I did. I'm not male bashing I'm trying to understand how it's the woman's fault if she went out and got a job and the guy no longer feels manly enough? I don't know. It's not that I have no empathy. I understand that there is no structure for our youth anymore. They have to find it on their own and it doesn't always go as planned. I think we have a major crisis for our youth period. Not trying to hijack anything. Since my opinion can't be voiced without finger pointing and accusing me of trying to derail, I'll just leave you to it. Sorry for trying to participate in a discussion. This is why I don't like posting much on here because I feel like I just get stomped on every time I say something.
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This one, yes? > "Women can have equal power (status), but can't they have it without emasculating men? Why do men have to be torn down so that women can achieve equal status?"

That ^ was meant for Raddragon, who *implied* that I *implied* that only men desired / needed power, admiration, and to be worshiped (paraphrasing). And what I meant by that was that women can want the same things, but why should it be at men's expense? We've been getting torn down for decades, and especially over the past decade.

Also, while I don't blame women in general for the crisis that young men are experiencing today, I bet you a thousand nuthins that it wasn't a man who coined the phrases "male toxicity" and "male privilege", and it wasn't men who popularized them.
 
Murrmurr said:
This one, yes? > "Women can have equal power (status), but can't they have it without emasculating men? Why do men have to be torn down so that women can achieve equal status?"

That ^ was meant for Raddragon, who *implied* that I *implied* that only men desired / needed power, admiration, and to be worshiped (paraphrasing). And what I meant by that was that women can want the same things, but why should it be at men's expense? We've been getting torn down for decades, and especially over the past decade.

Also, while I don't blame women in general for the crisis that young men are experiencing today, I bet you a thousand nuthins that it wasn't a man who coined the phrases "male toxicity" and "male privilege", and it wasn't men who popularized them.
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I have never really understood feminists. I don't think either s*x should be tearing the other down but we don't seem to know how to build each other up. You know what I mean? I do feel that men have certain advantages that women will never have. Here in KS men still get more pay for the same job. Things like that. But let me ask you this...in all the years you men have been alive have you ever felt equal with your spouses?

I have noticed just from observations at work that a lot of the young women aren't interested in the young men anymore. They wanna go to school and do something with their lives. They don't want someone who is gonna do dishes in McDonald's his whole life and spend his weekends smokin dope and playin video games in his underwear. Like I do minus the dope. LOL!
 
Murrmurr said:
This one, yes? > "Women can have equal power (status), but can't they have it without emasculating men? Why do men have to be torn down so that women can achieve equal status?"

That ^ was meant for Raddragon, who *implied* that I *implied* that only men desired / needed power, admiration, and to be worshiped (paraphrasing). And what I meant by that was that women can want the same things, but why should it be at men's expense? We've been getting torn down for decades, and especially over the past decade.

Also, while I don't blame women in general for the crisis that young men are experiencing today, I bet you a thousand nuthins that it wasn't a man who coined the phrases "male toxicity" and "male privilege", and it wasn't men who popularized them.
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I haven't experienced getting "torn down" by women, but I don't get out much. :ROFLMAO:

Or is it young men who are getting torn down?

The only time I get torn down is when my baby can't be found. Play it Freddie!
 

Why are young men in crisis?​

Oh yes, this young fella is definitely in crisis, well you would be too, if you had to see what I see when I look in my mirror, and that old rascal won't beggar off. 😊
 
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fuzzybuddy said:
I don't believe cell phones, the internet or technology are detrimental to the male libido. Nor do I believe an Army Drill Sergeant is going to make "a man out of you" Nor do I believe that most men, who are rejected by a desirable female, are going to go off in the woods to slit their throats. The majority of men work in construction and manufacturing. Women still work in care and office positions. Those numbers are fairly consistent. What has changed is college admissions. Women are attending college in greater number than males. And male numbers are declining. And it is not that women are taking up seats from men. Why male college numbers are decreasing, I don't know. All college admissions are decreasing. Why they are, I don't know. But it is affecting both men, and women. It is somewhat troubling, but a "male crisis"?????? And as tradition, males, in college, continue to dominate engineering and the the sciences.
And I can't believe that if a young man has more sex that will solve the "crisis". I do believe there is a trend for men to wear beards. It might be a fad or a hyper-masculinization for some insecurity, but again , "crisis"?
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More sex has never solved any crisis. It too often only causes another one.
 
MarciKS said:
I have never really understood feminists. I don't think either s*x should be tearing the other down but we don't seem to know how to build each other up. You know what I mean?
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No. That's not what feminists are about, so no, I fail to understand your prejudice against your own sex working to improve your lot.
 
Pepper said:
No. That's not what feminists are about, so no, I fail to understand your prejudice against your own sex working to improve your lot.
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I agree with you. The "crisis' expert on the video claims it is a crisis of "lonely men". And that only 1 out every 3 young men had sex with in the last year. If you're "lonely" you have been abandoned, who abandoned this poor soul? And I'd like ask the "crisis " expert, about who ain't putting out for two thirds of the young men? Who is getting all those degree in college, if men aren't receiving them? And also, that "crisis" expert claims that, on Tinder, the majority of women rejects most of the men. Maybe it's time for women to be women and go back to the kitchen.
 
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fuzzybuddy said:
I don't believe cell phones, the internet or technology are detrimental to the male libido. Nor do I believe an Army Drill Sergeant is going to make "a man out of you" Nor do I believe that most men, who are rejected by a desirable female, are going to go off in the woods to slit their throats. The majority of men work in construction and manufacturing. Women still work in care and office positions. Those numbers are fairly consistent. What has changed is college admissions. Women are attending college in greater number than males. And male numbers are declining. And it is not that women are taking up seats from men. Why male college numbers are decreasing, I don't know. All college admissions are decreasing. Why they are, I don't know. But it is affecting both men, and women. It is somewhat troubling, but a "male crisis"?????? And as tradition, males, in college, continue to dominate engineering and the the sciences.
And I can't believe that if a young man has more sex that will solve the "crisis". I do believe there is a trend for men to wear beards. It might be a fad or a hyper-masculinization for some insecurity, but again , "crisis"?
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Not only do most young men wear those awful fur faces but many also are bald-headed and covered with tattoos! Oh, I know, the gals got those tattoos too. (Not my "cup of tea") What a turn-off for any woman but then maybe I'm wrong since I am a pretty traditional type of guy and I do not date men! LOL
 
Whatever the crisis is that's ailing young men, please don't blame it on women. Asking what's due you and fixing the wrongs of the past -- as women are doing -- shouldn't cause a crisis for anyone.

Drugs, alcohol, awful food, video games, social media, broken families, dead-end jobs, a culture that emphasizes pleasure and immediate gratification over achievement and compassion, ready availability of high-powered semiautomatic weapons, lack of exercise and constructive play, social isolation...so many reasons for despair, very few answers.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
I agree with you. The "crisis' expert on the video claims it is a crisis of "lonely men". And that only 1 out every 3 young men had sex with in the last year. If you're "lonely" you have been abandoned, who abandoned this poor soul? And I'd like ask the "crisis " expert, about who ain't putting out for two thirds of the young men? Who is getting all those degree in college, if men aren't receiving them? And also, that "crisis" expert claims that, on Tinder, the majority of women rejects most of the men. Maybe it's time for women to be women and go back to the kitchen.
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Fuzzy first of all how would you like it if some woman told you that your place was in the kitchen not out being a man? You wouldn't find that at all degrading?

And I don't see how we can blame whether or not they've had sex as a reasonable excuse for going on a killing spree. I haven't had sex in over 20 yrs. I have yet to have the desire to smoke everyone out.
 
MarciKS said:
Fuzzy first of all how would you like it if some woman told you that your place was in the kitchen not out being a man? You wouldn't find that at all degrading?

And I don't see how we can blame whether or not they've had sex as a reasonable excuse for going on a killing spree. I haven't had sex in over 20 yrs. I have yet to have the desire to smoke everyone out.
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Whoa, TMI by far.
 
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