Why are young men in crisis?

MarciKS said:
Torn down how? How are they being emasculated? I'm not upset I'm just asking questions because I don't quite understand what you're getting at. I will say it was ok back in the day to make women feel like property by demanding they stay home and stay barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen. So I don't understand why men feel emasculated because we got jobs. Perhaps you can enlighten me. ;)
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Well, one thing is for sure. In today's multi-media/feminist world, women are shown to be the PHYSICAL equal of ANY MAN. IF you doubt that, watch the film Charlie's Angel's. In one scene, one of the Angel's is tied to a chair and guarded by 3 men. She not only frees herself from the ropes , BUT also beats the heck out of all 3 men.
The above example is far, far from rare. There are literally hundreds and hundreds of movies where the woman/women are tougher/faster than the men.
Yes, those examples are only films, BUT if women enjoy seeing men getting beaten by women, surely that must really annoy young guys. Especially if his date cheers when she sees women beating men.
 

senior chef said:
Well, one thing is for sure. In today's multi-media/feminist world, women are shown to be the PHYSICAL equal of ANY MAN. IF you doubt that, watch the film Charlie's Angel's. In one scene, one of the Angel's is tied to a chair and guarded by 3 men. She not only frees herself from the ropes , BUT also beats the heck out of all 3 men.
The above example is far, far from rare. There are literally hundreds and hundreds of movies where the woman/women are tougher/faster than the men.
Yes, those examples are only films, BUT if women enjoy seeing men getting beaten by women, surely that must really annoy young guys. Especially if his date cheers when she sees women beating men.
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Have you even seen what they do to the women in movies?
 
Murrmurr said:
How do you define "military mindset"?

I'm pretty sure that everyone who used that term here are talking about instilling discipline, teamsmanship, diligence, punctuality, and accepting responsibility...not to mention cleaning your room.
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All of which is geared toward wiping out individuality and encouraging a "team" mentality - which is fine if you are planning on a war like environment. That doesn't work well in civil life -eg Hitler's Germany. prior to WWII. Public Service concentrates on cooperation in order to help others - not kill,wound and conquer.
 

Raddragn said:
All of which is geared toward wiping out individuality and encouraging a "team" mentality - which is fine if you are planning on a war like environment. That doesn't work well in civil life -eg Hitler's Germany. prior to WWII. Public Service concentrates on cooperation in order to help others - not kill,wound and conquer.
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Discipline, teamsmanship, diligence, punctuality, accepting responsibility, and even cleaning your room are more relevant to getting a job, keeping house, having successful relationships and maybe a marriage, raising a family, and contributing to society than to killing, wounding and conquering.
 
Murrmurr said:
Discipline, teamsmanship, diligence, punctuality, accepting responsibility, and even cleaning your room are more relevant to getting a job, keeping house, having successful relationships and maybe a marriage, raising a family, and contributing to society than to killing, wounding and conquering.
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You seem to be really hung up on those - wonder why?
 
MarciKS said:
Torn down how? How are they being emasculated? I'm not upset I'm just asking questions because I don't quite understand what you're getting at. I will say it was ok back in the day to make women feel like property by demanding they stay home and stay barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen. So I don't understand why men feel emasculated because we got jobs. Perhaps you can enlighten me. ;)
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Jeez, where do I start?

You can refer back to my first comment (post #30) where I talked about schools actually encouraging putting boys on medication to keep them from being rambunctious. The narrative was that boys were disruptive, aggressive, and too intense. Then toward the end there I mentioned "male toxicity" and then "male privilege".

I have never my whole life met a man who demands *his woman* "stay home and stay barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen". Maybe those guys are out there, but I'll bet they're all over age 70.
 
Murrmurr said:
Discipline, teamsmanship, diligence, punctuality, accepting responsibility, and even cleaning your room are more relevant to getting a job, keeping house, having successful relationships and maybe a marriage, raising a family, and contributing to society than to killing, wounding and conquering.
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Yes, these are valuable attributes to have.

Raddragn said:
You seem to be really hung up on those - wonder why?
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You're pretty new here, why is it that you wonder? What are your thoughts on the topic of this thread..."Why are young men in crisis?".
 
Nathan said:
You're pretty new here, why is it that you wonder? What are your thoughts on the topic of this thread..."Why are young men in crisis?".
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I think we are in the middle of an era of change . I don't think men are being emasculated, but I do think some think they are. The status quo of centuries has been disrupted and some are nervous about it
 
Murrmurr said:
Jeez, where do I start?

You can refer back to my first comment (post #30) where I talked about schools actually encouraging putting boys on medication to keep them from being rambunctious. The narrative was that boys were disruptive, aggressive, and too intense. Then toward the end there I mentioned "male toxicity" and then "male privilege".

I have never my whole life met a man who demands *his woman* "stay home and stay barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen". Maybe those guys are out there, but I'll bet they're all over age 70.
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A lot of these guys have no drive whatsoever. They wanna stay home and play video games. They don't wanna work. That is something that a person can't blame on a woman. That is all them. It's called laziness. Are they feeling emasculated because we can take care of ourselves now? Because we don't have to rely on them or need them? Is that the issue?
 
MarciKS said:
That is something that a person can't blame on a woman. That is all them. It's called laziness. Are they feeling emasculated because we can take care of ourselves now? Because we don't have to rely on them or need them? Is that the issue?
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Please point out where in this thread that women where being 'blamed'. The topic is "why are young men in crisis", I surely didn't foresee the thread being hijacked and turned into a male bashing fest.
It's a bit appalling to see such a complete lack of empathy from female posters.
 
SeniorBen said:
To be honest, I have no idea what young men go through these days. I've always assumed things hadn't changed that much since I was young. You hang out with people and meet women through friends and at parties. That's the process where you have the best chance of meeting someone decent, or that's how it seems to me. Or people fix you up with friends or relatives. You double date or just get to know women by hanging out with other people. And then one night, you wind up in the sack.

Do young people not hang out any more and have parties? Is it strictly online socialization now? I did the online dating thing back in the early 2000s. The method I described above is far more conducive to finding a companion.

Maybe people don't hang out like we used to. With the internet, there's always something going on, but most of it consists of meaningless activities such as posting in an online forum. :ROFLMAO: Before the internet (Should there be a designation of BTI and ATI for before the internet and after the internet?) people had to go other people's houses to hang out where we'd listen to music and party, or work on cars or whatever), but it involved in-person contact. Don't young people do that anymore? Have things really changed that much?
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I met my first girlfriend in high school. I met my college girlfriend when we worked in the same department store. I met my hubby in a dance club in 1991. (Complete 180. :ROFLMAO:) He was there with his friends. It was a place to socialize and meet people. Most of those clubs have now closed because young people don't really have the desire to socialize. They are all on Tinder (if straight) or Grindr (if gay).

I notice all the young people in my gym, both males and females, are always glued to their phones and are oblivious to the world around them. That is where their worlds exists now. Yes, things have really changed!
 
dseag2 said:
young people don't really have the desire to socialize
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I don't think that online social media is a good substitute for in-person interaction and social contact. There's much in the news about the surging anxiety and depression levels of both males and female youth.
Edit: I should mention that [in my view] the "young men in crisis" topic has relevance to discussions we've had about the many mass shootings, and what could possibly be some of the underlying factors that make a young man(mostly) commit such senseless violence. Nobody likes my pet theory about violent video games, and yea, I get it, there's more going on for sure. Going back to the major points in the video, lonely, unattached and just not valued, ADHD is more prevalent in males, if not recognized and treated properly can lead to behaviors that draw disapproval and criticism, and paving the way for conflict.
 

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