Is Vladimir Putin happy to risk nuclear war to avoid admitting defeat?

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This is some troubling news.

"Russian leader’s escalatory threat to annex parts of Ukraine in effort to halt counteroffensive is fraught with risk

Vladimir Putin has backed himself into a corner in Ukraine. And true to form, the Russian leader is ready to escalate, perhaps up to the brink of nuclear war, rather than admit defeat.

Seven months after Putin launched his invasion, Russian troops have been driven back in the Kharkiv region, and Ukrainian forces are advancing in Luhansk and squeezing his troops and supply lines in Kherson.


It is not impossible that Russia could lose territories that it has held since 2014 if Putin’s forces cannot stop Ukraine’s counteroffensive.

Facing humiliation, Putin has issued a new threat: holding “referenda” in the regions of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson, which could lead to them being annexed by Russia by early next week.

In the mind of Russia’s formalistic leader, that would turn the “special military operation” in Ukraine into a defensive war in Russia, opening up the possibility of a full mobilisation, declaration of war and even a nuclear strike.

Margarita Simonyan, the editor-in-chief of the state-owned broadcaster RT and a vocal lobbyist for the war, said: “Judging by what is happening and what is about to happen, this week marks either the threshold of our imminent victory or the threshold of a nuclear war. I can’t see any third option.”

There is little doubt that Russia’s plan – holding sham referenda to annex Ukrainian territories and threaten a massive military escalation – is just blackmail.

Ukrainians were quick to recognise it as an attempt to halt the counteroffensive. “Ukraine has every right to liberate its territories and will keep liberating them whatever Russia has to say,” said Dmytro Kuleba, the Ukrainian foreign minister.

But since February, it has become clear that few actually understand the depths of the Kremlin’s mania over Ukraine or Putin’s willingness to waste the lives and welfare of Russians, as well as his own legacy, in order to exert his will over his neighbour.

The Kremlin’s strategy is fraught with risk. New annexations could further undermine Russian control over territories such as Crimea, by convincing Ukraine and the west that Moscow is delivering empty threats and reducing hesitation at retaking territory formally annexed by Russia.

So is the latest threat an ultimatum meant to save Russia from defeat? Or is Russia ready to go all the way?

Both are perhaps true. If Ukraine and western supporters blink (which is unlikely), Putin will be happy, analysts say. If not, well, whatever comes next is not our fault, the Kremlin thinks.

Alexander Baunov, a Russian political analyst, wrote: “Moscow’s actions, therefore, are being taken to either end the war as soon as possible or, if that doesn’t work, to put the blame for that on other people and turn Russia’s invasion of a neighbouring country into a defensive war.

“Moscow hopes that that distinction will make the conflict more legitimate in the eyes of ordinary Russians, leaving the Kremlin free to make whatever decisions and take whatever measures it deems necessary.”

Putin has sometimes been called an expert in the strategy of “escalating to de-escalate” – averting conflict by threatening a massive retaliation.

But Putin does not seem to want to de-escalate. A more apt description of his strategy may be “win or escalate”. And as Simonyan puts it: Russia is going all in."


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...tin-escalation-ukraine-nuclear-war-annexation
 

I don't know. You better ask Vladimir Putin if you want the truth but maybe he wouldn't tell you what he really is thinking. Actually, I don't think he's into interviews so you wouldn't find him on any late night American TV show. Sorry, I don't have the answer for you!
 
Militarily, it is clear Putin is on the defensive. However, the more this continues, the more the western alliance is in disarray. The European
Union is struggling and failing to keep everyone on the same page. There is Hungary being a big obstacle and likely Italy becoming an obstacle very soon.

There are significant numbers of people, very upset over the cost of energy and overall impact on their lifestyles. These are countries and citizens that when placing blame... have the U.S. as the permanent "default setting." There have been marches, which have quickly been labeled as Putin's rabble rousers, as would be expected by their ruling elite. (Sound familiar)?

However, the turmoil is still in its infancy, and more than a few EU leaders have warned of significant social unrest, as their economies unwind.
 
This war kind of reminds their war with Afghanistan, which lasted nearly 10 years. Brezhnev was in charge then, but it’s kind of following the same path.
I was just thinking that myself. The Afghans managed to drive out the Russians from their country, which is quite an achievement. They just needed to be supplied with weapons. On another thread someone said the Afghans were untrainable, but they have their own way of fighting, which is obviously very effective.
The American way is not always the best!
 
The man is batsh*t crazy. I wouldn't be surprised at anything he does. Of course he doesn't want to admit to defeat and to feeling he is being stripped of his power. I don't think he expected such a fierce fight by the Ukrainians. I have a friend who said we (Americans) have "no skin in the game". I disagree because what's to stop him from attacking (or worse nuking) anywhere else if he feels like it? Even if his nuclear threat is just talk, it's cause for concern.
 
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I think that the Russian nuclear arsenal is just a pile of crap like all their other military equipment. Not taken care of properly, outdated, full of corrosion and crystalized wiring.

Maybe they're planning to send it all here, for an upgrade. :oops:

Putin is a madam not to be trusted.

If that's true, it's been a well hidden secret. 😂
@Nathan: I'd prefer to not know about such things anyway. 😂

@David777: Your comment and that video sums up the whole issue quite well. ✔️
 
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One needs to be careful digesting input from Fox's Carlson, however he does at times tend to grate against even his own political partners if it serves purpose. Below, he goes after neocons of both parties that exposes what a few suppressed voices have been pointing to from before the war started that their media has avoided being honest about with the Western public. Notice during the segment with our US Secretary of State B's UN speech, right behind him is Victoria Nuland a most prominent extremest neocons married to the author of such politics of the military industrial complex and a member of both parties political guidance over decades.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-point-ukraine-war-regime-change-russia
 
At this point, Putin has very little to lose and more to gain, even if he just contains it to low yield nuclear weapons. There are a few things he will need to consider. First, Russia’s nuclear doctrine does not call for them to use nuclear weapons, unless they are either fired upon on there is a genuine threat of being nuked first. Threats do not count. There must be some evidence that they are being targeted. If they see on satellite radar that the U.S. or any other country has armed missiles pointed at them

Second, Putin isn’t dumb enough not to know that any use of nuclear weapons would be a declaration of war and will bring about a NATO and U.S. response by intervening on behalf of Ukraine. The Commander of Allied Forces will then take action.

I can only imagine that there is a lot going on at the Pentagon and also probably in a neutral country somewhere, a real meeting of the minds is happening with planning, etc. I doubt if Russia is going to declare a truce and probably won’t leave without one of two things. Either a treaty or one country winning this war. It has been reported that China is watching this war very closely and has publicly asked both countries not to use nuclear weapons. I wouldn’t place a bet on the outcome of this war one way or another.

If we get involved, people will see quite a show.
 
Putin is neither crazy nor megalomaniacal. US foreign policy regarding NATO and Russia, however, is probably both. The reality is that Ukraine and Russia reached a tentative settlement in March - only to have the US torpedo it. The US is ready to fight to the last Ukrainian. The question is whether not Ukranians - other than Zelensky - share a willingness to sacrifice themselves and their country on that funeral pyre to 'weaken Russia'. Don't fool yourselves. Russia is not losing and Ukraine can not win. With Russian annexation of 1/3 of Ukraine by the end of this week, Putin forces the US and NATO to admit Ukraine is just their pawn.

https://original.antiwar.com/Ted_Snider/2022/09/25/russias-evolving-attitude-toward-the-war/
 
I sill don’t understand why Putin isn’t doing more bombing on Ukraine’s infrastructure. He could inflict some serious pain by taking out more bridges, railroads and roads. This would slow down the movement of weapons coming in from other countries. That would make an immediate difference. It’s almost as if he is intentionally attempting to keep the war going.
 
Remember Feb7/22 when Biden said this: 'If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the -- the border of Ukraine again, then there will be -- there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2...' Here.
Pres. Biden: "If Russia invades... then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.
Reporter: "But how will you do that, exactly, since...the project is in Germany's control?
Biden: "I promise you, we will be able to do that."

Did the US sabotage the pipelines?

Yes, has both motive and capability: https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=247054

Maybe, and probably: https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/us-sabotages-gas-pipelines-and-other
Who wants to preclude Europe from reaching an agreement with Russia? ...If the EU breaks ranks, then NATO collapses. It’s in Russia’s interest to keep that practical possibility open; it’s in Neocon/Globalist interests to keep the EU—and especially Germany—in subjugation to the rules-based order.
Meanwhile, the referenda will soon be over—today is the last day—and the four oblasts will be officially part of the Russian Federation. Russian forces that were providing security for the elections will return to combat duty that will now include defending Russia itself, rather than supporting the Donbass militias.
 

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