A Change of Tradition

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Over the last several years I have given a great deal of thought about the various traditional roles of men and women .
In particular, I speak of the impact of feminism on relationships and how that has made dramatic impacts.

Quite obviously, feminism is all about power. Power to achieve so-called "equality".
For those who are aware of such things, you will notice that women demand equal rights.
However, also notice that women never talk about altering their sexual power. Women still act as women have always done. They wait for the man to make the 1st moves while she sits back and evaluates his worth as a potential partner. Thus, she is one moment a power seeking feminist and the next moment she reverts to the traditional female. My oh my, how convenient.

BUT, what about men ? He has no option if he desires female companionship. He MUST act !
If HE waited, as she does, darn few relationships would ever get off the ground.
Yes, yes, I know. There is certain to be a few women who deny that they do any such thing. BUT, in reality, a sexually assertive female is as rare as finding a diamond in a stream. NOTE: I speak of NEW relationships NOT ongoing ones.

So what can men do about it? There is a new idea gaining some traction. The idea that he gives up any notion of ever pursuing a sexual relationship.
There are two main advantages to this idea.
1.) He gets keep every penny he makes to invest OR to buy items he desires.
2.) He does not have to deal with the stress of coping with her ever-changing emotions.
 
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I have noticed that in some countries, Italy to name one, men are choosing to forgo any thought of a long term relationship.
Here in America, a significant number of young men are talking about giving up any relationship except a casual one night fling.
Even that is beginning to be thought of as "too involved".

Women have an expression about such men. They call it "Failure to fly".
However, it is NOT a failure. It is a profound life choice.
 
senior chef said:
The idea that he gives up any notion of ever pursuing a ****** relationship.
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I'm guessing this is where you are in life. Some men can't handle successful interaction with a women, my neighbor is like this. He does get to :
1.) He gets keep every penny he makes to invest OR to buy items he desires.
2.) He does not have to deal with the stress of coping with her ever-changing emotions.

...but he does sleep alone, and looks like ZZ Top with a beard almost to his belly...not super sexy IMO.
 
Nathan said:
I'm guessing this is where you are in life. Some men can't handle successful interaction with a women, my neighbor is like this. He does get to :
1.) He gets keep every penny he makes to invest OR to buy items he desires.
2.) He does not have to deal with the stress of coping with her ever-changing emotions.

...but he does sleep alone, and looks like ZZ Top with a beard almost to his belly...not super sexy IMO.
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Perhaps. BUT, he now has the ability to travel the world and experience wonderful places.
AND, he does not have to put up with being her "pet project". no more changing him to suit HER desires.
No more being constantly being blamed for everything that goes wrong.
The list is nearly endless.
 
It's not a bit surprising that feminists think of men who have given up on women as chauvinist and misogynistic. After all, women are used being THE SOLE AUTHORITY ON RELATIONSHIPS.

Men are becoming aware of other possibilities.
I am far from the only one who thinks men are better off single. Youtube is full of videos and articles about men who are forgoing marriage.
 
Oh dear! This topic is load like a case of dynamite. I don't know what to say except that I have been married twice and they were to wonderful women. So, I am a guy that loves to be around women and enjoy their company. Guess I have been lucky. Sure, there might be some terrible, evil women but I have a gut feeling that there are a lot more terrible, evil men; the kind that are lazy or cheat or abusive. I don't have any great statics to quote as prove; it's just what I have observed over the years. Sorry guys! I know there are good men out there but at the same time there sure are some awful examples of the mistake someone made giving birth to them.
 
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Nathan said:
I'm guessing this is where you are in life. Some men can't handle successful interaction with a women, my neighbor is like this. He does get to :
1.) He gets keep every penny he makes to invest OR to buy items he desires.
2.) He does not have to deal with the stress of coping with her ever-changing emotions.

...but he does sleep alone, and looks like ZZ Top with a beard almost to his belly...not super sexy IMO.
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Perhaps. BUT, he now has the ability to travel the world and experience wonderful places.
AND, he does not have to put up with being her "pet project". no more changing him to suit HER desires.
No more being constantly being blamed for everything that goes wrong.
The list is nearly endless.
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Exactly. He also doesn't have to worry about sleeping with a woman either. I've wondered if maybe he's deep-in-the-closet , when I first meet him he said he was divorced. Since then he's said he's never been married, with only one reference to having a relationship with a female, dating back to his late teens/early twenties.

But, there's not a thing wrong with being single, maybe there's something in the DNA that prevents certain people from wanting to procreate.
 
I find this interesting. Talking about what may be initiating intimate occurrences, who asks for it. Men or women.
But I have not seen anything about valuing the person before to create an atmosphere of wanting to ask for intimacy. I think both have to be looking out for the other for either to want to get close. But I have heard and seen in the past that intimacy seems to drive most males more than most females. Just how people are built.
 
Shalimar said:
Hmm. Canadian women must be an anomaly, then. Surprisingly, many are quite sexually assertive. 😁
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An anomaly indeed.
I give anything the actually view any such alleged interactions. people talk about male/female interactions.Women talk to women.Men talk to men. In my entire life I have very rarely ever heard a man say he was "hit on" by a woman.
 
senior chef said:
An anomaly indeed.
I give anything the actually view any such alleged interactions. people talk about male/female interactions.Women talk to women.Men talk to men. In my entire life I have very rarely ever heard a man say he was "hit on" by a woman.
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I was the initial instigator re my fiancé. He was delighted. We had been friends for a long time. Something fabulous grew out of that. I have never been shy in asking for what I want. The other individual can always decline.😊
 
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Exactly. He also doesn't have to worry about sleeping with a woman either. I've wondered if maybe he's deep-in-the-closet , when I first meet him he said he was divorced. Since then he's said he's never been married, with only one reference to having a relationship with a female, dating back to his late teens/early twenties.

But, there's not a thing wrong with being single, maybe there's something in the DNA that prevents certain people from wanting to procreate.
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Perhaps he is now clued in to the "cost/benefit" ratio.
I might like to own a particular SUV, BUT if the cost outweighs the potential benefits, it is not a good deal. Same with relationships.

I had a close male friend. We hung out together for years. BUT, eventually he became an alcoholic. The cost of that friendship soon outweighed the benefits and I had to cut him lose.

I feel the same way about women. The costs outweigh the benefits. They have priced themselves out of the market.
 
senior chef said:
It's not a bit surprising that feminists think of men who have given up on women as chauvinist and misogynistic. After all, women are used being THE SOLE AUTHORITY ON RELATIONSHIPS.

Men are becoming aware of other possibilities.
I am far from the only one who thinks men are better off single. Youtube is full of videos and articles about men who are forgoing marriage.
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They die at a younger age...go for it.
 
Maybe there is a scientific explanation. Could the introduction of BPA - an artificial estrogen - into the world's food chain 60+ years ago be a factor? Most living adults grew up on it. The effects of it on a fetus or growing child are rarely discussed in the scientific community..
 
SeaBreeze said:
Sounds like somebody's whimpering, butt-hurt and has, as Oprah says, Vajaja envy. :p
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I would expect a feminist to say such a thing.
Not whimpering at all. Just a few simple statements of fact.

Pray tell me, what do you have to offer that is so fantastic that I I should pay a HEAVY price for ? HMM ?
 
senior chef said:
Perhaps. BUT, he now has the ability to travel the world and experience wonderful places.
AND, he does not have to put up with being her "pet project". no more changing him to suit HER desires.
No more being constantly being blamed for everything that goes wrong.
The list is nearly endless.
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I've been with my husband for around fifty years, he is a man of integrity who is not intimidated or jealous of women. He appreciates them for who they are and treats them as equals.

I think you're just venting here about some personal frustrations that may involve an inferiority complex with women in general, and an extra sensitivity to those women who see you for who you really are...or aren't. Time for some self-evaluation, if you're even capable of that at this point.
 
senior chef said:
Quite obviously, feminism is all about power. Power to achieve so-called "equality".
For those who are aware of such things, you will notice that women demand equal rights.
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As they should, nothing wrong with women wanting equality. I think the changes I have seen in my lifetime, where women have made significant advances towards equality, are good for all. I think it helps the economy if the best person or idea rises to the top, holding women down cuts this in half... Any organizing or group that holds back half its members for reasons unrelated to competence or ability suffers. Not to mention it is the fair thing to do.
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also notice that women never talk about altering their ****** power. Women still act as women have always done. They wait for the man to make the 1st moves while she sits back and evaluates his worth as a potential partner
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This is of course an over generalization. However when it comes to romantic type relations our practices come from millions of years of evolution. There are good evolutionary reasons for women to be more careful when selected a s*x partner than men. And we ain't going to change that. And I don't see any connection with equal legal rights, two different issues.
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There is a new idea gaining some traction. The idea that he gives up any notion of ever pursuing a ****** relationship.
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To each her or his own, but not for me.
 
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