squatting dog
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Found the term sounded better than environmental nazi's.
Some new observations and thoughts about electric vehicles.
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Nathan
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Well "marxists" is so passé these days, while Nazis are enjoying a modern revival.
sch404
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Your 'facts' about the fuels used to produce electricity in the U.S. are simply wrong. Click here https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3
Bretrick
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Batteries will need replacing every 8 years. At least that is the warranty life span.
Cost to replace a battery? AU$47,000.
Cost to replace a battery? AU$47,000.
Aprilbday12
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You hit the nail right on the head.
squatting dog
We don't have as far to go, as we've already been
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- Arkansas, and also Florida
Fine... but, the fact remains that the bulk of the energy produced here comes from "fossil fuels" (I hate that term). 60.8% on that chart.
Might add this. What type of energy is used to manufacture these "greenies"? You know, the plastic, metal, components and all the other parts that make up a vehicle. Could it be that evil "fossil fuel"? Which, since it is produced by nature decomposing all carbon based material, is the most renewable source of energy on the planet. smh.
Let's not forget the extra weight that the batteries place on the vehicles tire's resulting in more wear, (wait, what is used to manufacture tire's?) and the wear on the roads, (which by the way will result in an extra road tax fee).
All this of course is avoiding the extra expenses of
1... the purchase price.
2... the outrageous price of installing a quick charger in your home.
3... the fact that they have been prone to bursting into flames. (cannot be extinguished like a conventional fire).
and on and on.
Therefore, the point is still the same. EV numbers don't add up.
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Lawrence00
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Manufacturers could have agreed upon a standard for the batteries. They did not. Service stations could have been put in place where a replacement rack of batteries are slid into an automobile. There are a lot of fake story lines being fed to the consumers.
Aunt Mavis
I have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo
The technology is great, overall though a giant scam in my opinion. I’m in the charging business so I already know the pain that lies ahead, you’ll see it too. (I can only speak on electrical infrastructure in America, not worldwide.) BTW, nothing fails in your time of need like a battery. Nothing.
sch404
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Whether EV's are the most 'efficient' in terms of usage of fossil fuels is still an open question and a matter for debate. The same with environmental destruction caused by their manufacture. Mining lithium does consume massive amounts of water which is very scarce. Most of the world's lithium comes from Chilean deserts where water is very scarce. See https://unctad.org/news/developing-countries-pay-environmental-cost-electric-car-batteries. I think that may be where you got your "500,000 tons of MotherEarth and excavated precious metals to produce a single 1000lb EV battery." All of that is well and good but what you fail to consider is that the world is simply passing you by! The issues you raise have already been decided!!! The world is moving to EV's and there is not a damn thing you, I or anyone can do to change that!!! Gasoline/diesel powered piston engine driven vehicles are history. Soon they simply will not be manufactured anymore. They will soon disappear from the landscape like horse driven buggies did in the previous century.
Timewise 60+
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Only if we lose the civil war that would result if our government tried to force us away from using fossil fuels. Dem's are just testing the water now!
squatting dog
We don't have as far to go, as we've already been
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- Arkansas, and also Florida
So explain to me again, how an electric truck will haul my 11000 pounds of Angus, riding in the 6000 pounds of trailer to market, (about 100 miles). Or how electric machinery will build and maintain the infrastructure and homes that have made this country what it is.
If I wanted to push something like EVs on a reluctant populace, I would try to make them appealing somehow. We went through something similar in the twentieth century when the reliable horse eventually was replaced by the automobile. Car ownership was made attractive to people and all the travel a person could do even though our roads outside of major cities were horrible.
It was also very smart to make them affordable and easier to care for than a horse. Instead of threatening people and putting more financial strain on them than they can bear why doesn't the government actually try helping the transition instead of forcing it? Makes no sense to me. Small wonder there is so much resistance.
We've had hybrids for years. Why can't we take it from there with no deadlines or coercion?
It was also very smart to make them affordable and easier to care for than a horse. Instead of threatening people and putting more financial strain on them than they can bear why doesn't the government actually try helping the transition instead of forcing it? Makes no sense to me. Small wonder there is so much resistance.
We've had hybrids for years. Why can't we take it from there with no deadlines or coercion?
Aunt Mavis
I have met the enemy and he is us. Pogo
It’s a gimmick for the privileged mostly. What you’re not seeing (I’m not at least) are charging stations being constructed in apartments and housing for lower income families. The staggering cost to convert these will be in the trillions nationwide. (USA) Transformers right now can be 2 to 3 years out in many situations across the USA. Cable is out a long way as well. Is it possible to convert fully? Yup. Delivering electricity isn’t magic though, Ohm’s Law proves me correct if you’re doubtful. (Of course I’m just Aunt Mavis.)
sch404
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Hauling cows? Sorry, I know nothing about how to do that. Hauling cows is somebody else's problem. And I am in no way advocating or pushing for EV technology. The only vehicle my wife and I currently own is a gasoline powered Acura. But we live in a fairly affluent area of Southern California where almost every other car I see on the road is a Tesla. Once again, I am simply the messenger here. I don't advocate or argue for anything in particular. I simply report what IS. Like it or not, the EV train is leaving the station (and rapidly so!).
Yes, I've been surprised by how much has already started changing over - I've ridden in a big boat at Niagara Falls that was all electric, and some of the buses in Chicago I think were too. Apparently even trains are starting to switch. And I'm starting to see the charging stations show up at places I go to.
It is too bad though if that the Ford pickup couldn't haul much, but I think if boats, buses, and trains can function with electric batteries someone ought to be able to engineer a pickup to be able to haul.
Probably preppers will like EV, because if surviving after the end of civilization, no doubt easier to use solar/wind to recharge a vehicle than to drill for oil and refine it to gasoline. I suppose the best prep would be to have some donkeys.
palides2021
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I read somewhere that Electric vehicles will be connected through some grid where they will communicate with each other, so no accidents occur. They will not be driving in isolation. This has been written about. 5G, I believe is a way they can do that.
fuzzybuddy
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When we had horses for our transportation needs, they didn't start fires, when their gas tanks leaked, they were reliable and financially supported blacksmiths, livery stables, and armies of sanitation workers. The fact is we are transforming from one method of transportation to another. Is every setback fully worked out? No. Nor will it be for a while. Today, billions of people fly in huge planes, but do they all blow up, catch fire, run out of fuel, crash? A very few of them do, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't fly.
hawkdon
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Speaking of electric vehicles....I see where someone is
experimenting with electric plane also....I recall somneone
building very small planes and saying "it is the way of the
future"......nope don't think so....think of how many crashed
planes there would be if all the ceo's and exec's were trying
to fly to work @@@@
experimenting with electric plane also....I recall somneone
building very small planes and saying "it is the way of the
future"......nope don't think so....think of how many crashed
planes there would be if all the ceo's and exec's were trying
to fly to work @@@@
I think the tax credits were the government's way of trying to help the transition. And now I think state governments are getting into the act in giving tax credits to companies that build the infrastructure (charging stations).
About not having deadlines, how well would that work? For most types of projects, if you want something done you need to have a plan and you need to have deadlines and goals and track progress. Also I think we signed a treaty along with most of the other countries in the world to meet carbon reduction goals by certain dates.
Get a smaller trailer and do two trips with half the animals each time? Or wait for the technology to improve.
I read in the history of cars that early automobile drivers had to buy their gasoline by the pint or quart at drug stores. At least we don't have that much hassle. It's a wonder cars were ever adopted.
squatting dog
We don't have as far to go, as we've already been
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- Arkansas, and also Florida
Ok, that sounds reasonable. Question, what truck will I buy to haul that new $10,000 + trailer I'm going to buy?
squatting dog
We don't have as far to go, as we've already been
- Location
- Arkansas, and also Florida
squatting dog
We don't have as far to go, as we've already been
- Location
- Arkansas, and also Florida
Did a bit more digging.
All-electric cars using one motor to turn the drive wheels must have differential systems, therefore , they must use gear oil, you know, that evil (fossil fuel).
Regular tires wear out roughly 20% faster on an EV than on an internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle.
EVs often lose 12% of their range in cold weather, but the loss leaps to 41% with the heater in use. Duh.. who would need a heater in cold weather.
Today's electric vehicles also have fewer moving parts than conventional automobiles, but those parts can be pricey. Therefore, electric cars are more costly to insure than conventional vehicles.
If the battery pack is damaged for instance, certain safety protocols are often necessary, adding more to the repair bill. Plus, there aren't as many shops with technicians trained to fix electric vehicles versus traditional vehicles. That means those qualified facilities may charge more for repairs because of the specialized training required.
How do you charge more than one EV at home. (some families need more than one vehicle) Short answer... you can't.
All-electric cars using one motor to turn the drive wheels must have differential systems, therefore , they must use gear oil, you know, that evil (fossil fuel).
Regular tires wear out roughly 20% faster on an EV than on an internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle.
EVs often lose 12% of their range in cold weather, but the loss leaps to 41% with the heater in use. Duh.. who would need a heater in cold weather.
Today's electric vehicles also have fewer moving parts than conventional automobiles, but those parts can be pricey. Therefore, electric cars are more costly to insure than conventional vehicles.
If the battery pack is damaged for instance, certain safety protocols are often necessary, adding more to the repair bill. Plus, there aren't as many shops with technicians trained to fix electric vehicles versus traditional vehicles. That means those qualified facilities may charge more for repairs because of the specialized training required.
How do you charge more than one EV at home. (some families need more than one vehicle) Short answer... you can't.
squatting dog
We don't have as far to go, as we've already been
- Location
- Arkansas, and also Florida
Not really. small non commercial solar systems or windmills cannot create the amps needed to charge an EV. Heck, in an RV equipped with solar panels, it would usually take 3-4 days to bring 4 lead acid 6 volt batteries to near full charge.
Sssh. The world might change for the better without them.