Loved ones with political beliefs.

I was having a lovely lunch when one of the participants, during a lively discussion, said, in anger, the N word. Without saying a word I got up to leave but she stopped me, apologizing profusely. I stayed.
 

My husband's big Catholic family includes eleven brothers and sisters, all the same political persuasion ( you can guess), and the opposite of us. They constantly send e-mails to the entire family group, nothing original just cut and paste trash that says nasty things about our side and our candidates. I always want to answer back, at least to let them know their assumption about us is wrong, but my husband wont let me, so he fixed it so that it all goes straight to the spam folder to save my blood pressure.
Murrmurr said:
(don't even get the idea she's a cookie-baking, vacuum-pushing Mrs Cleaver-type. this woman rescues bats and collects skulls)
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As a woman who occasionally bakes cookies and often vacuums, I sometimes wonder why traditional women's work has become something we should be ashamed of. June was providing a clean, comfortable home for her family to live in, cooking healthy meals, helping the local schools with PTA work and looking after her children. What was Ward doing? Didn't most of those TV fathers work in advertising, convincing people to spend their money on stuff they don't need? Why is that a superior contribution to society?

(Nothing personal to you Murrmuur, I hear people do that anti-June Cleaver talk all the time.)
 
Pepper said:
I was having a lovely lunch when one of the participants, during a lively discussion, said, in anger, the N word. Without saying a word I got up to leave but she stopped me, apologizing profusely. I stayed.
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You are a bigger person that I am @Pepper
Just the fact that someone even has the N word in their head, let alone saying it out loud - even in anger,
would turn me off them for good.
 

Della said:
As a woman who occasionally bakes cookies and often vacuums, I sometimes wonder why traditional women's work has become something we should be ashamed of. June was providing a clean, comfortable home for her family to live in, cooking healthy meals, helping the local schools with PTA work and looking after her children. What was Ward doing? Didn't most of those TV fathers work in advertising, convincing people to spend their money on stuff they don't need? Why is that a superior contribution to society?

(Nothing personal to you Murrmuur, I hear people do that anti-June Cleaver talk all the time.)
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I know. But thanks for saying it.

And it was nothing against June Cleaver, I just didn't want my DIL to be imagined as someone she isn't. That said, Mrs. Cleaver was once the perfect wife and mother in America's eyes. ...Until "perfect wife and mother" equated with "subservient waste of a valuable human enslaved by a boorish self-centered husband."
 
Pepper said:
I was having a lovely lunch when one of the participants, during a lively discussion, said, in anger, the N word. Without saying a word I got up to leave but she stopped me, apologizing profusely. I stayed.
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Pinky said:
You are a bigger person that I am @Pepper
Just the fact that someone even has the N word in their head, let alone saying it out loud - even in anger,
would turn me off them for good.
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Pepper said:
Oh, believe me, I was turned off forever. Just didn't want to make a dramatic exit I guess.
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It was polite of you to stay @Pepper, but the cat's outta the bag. My feelings about her would be forever changed. She showed her true colors.
 
Della said:
My husband's big Catholic family includes eleven brothers and sisters, all the same political persuasion ( you can guess), and the opposite of us. They constantly send e-mails to the entire family group, nothing original just cut and paste trash that says nasty things about our side and our candidates. I always want to answer back, at least to let them know their assumption about us is wrong, but my husband wont let me, so he fixed it so that it all goes straight to the spam folder to save my blood pressure.


As a woman who occasionally bakes cookies and often vacuums, I sometimes wonder why traditional women's work has become something we should be ashamed of. June was providing a clean, comfortable home for her family to live in, cooking healthy meals, helping the local schools with PTA work and looking after her children. What was Ward doing? Didn't most of those TV fathers work in advertising, convincing people to spend their money on stuff they don't need? Why is that a superior contribution to society?

(Nothing personal to you Murrmuur, I hear people do that anti-June Cleaver talk all the time.)
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A quick search indicates that Ward Cleaver's occupation was never disclosed.

June Cleaver was ok but no one could top Donna Reed.
 
Pepper said:
My mother, and all the mothers, wore Housedresses at home with no pearls. That's a real mom, so June and Donna were like from a different planet, one possibly named Goy.
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It is interesting to note that during this era, in your country and mine, tranquilisers were prescribed en masse to keep “the little

woman” placid in her household role. As for political beliefs, more often than not, she was discouraged to have any. If she voted at all, usually she echoed her husband’s preference.
 
Barbara Billingsley said June wore those pearls all the time because she had a thyroid scar on her neck.

My mother wore slacks at home because she had five acres of land she liked to keep looking like a park. She did all the house work, all the yard work, sewed all our clothes, grew a huge garden and canned, and did all the book keeping for my father's business. He painted watercolors.

(Should I get up and leave over "goy?" Just kidding, I got used to being called a hillbilly shiksa from my Jewish boyfriend and I think that's probably a little bit worse than goy.)

I'm learning a lot from this not-political board today. i.e. There's no bigger waste of space on the planet than a white, Christian, housewife.
 
Pepper said:
My mother, and all the mothers, wore Housedresses at home with no pearls. That's a real mom, so June and Donna were like from a different planet, one possibly named Goy.
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Even in the late 50s/early 60s people used to laugh about the idealized portrayal of the suburban housewife. People back then didn't expect television to reflect reality; it was supposed to be an escape from reality.
 
Shalimar said:
It is interesting to note that during this era, in your country and mine, tranquilisers were prescribed en masse to keep “the little

woman” placid in her household role. As for political beliefs, more often than not, she was discouraged to have any. If she voted at all, usually she echoed her husband’s preference.
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Well, you certainly never met my mother.
 
Valium
This is an interesting article about how Big Pharm marketed the first "light" tranquilizers for everything from anxiety to boredom and sleeplessness. Sounds like it was all about making money, much like the recent over prescribing of opioids.

It says nothing about a giant conspiracy among men to keep women at home. Most of the fathers of my classmates were working in chemical factories or coal mines. I don't think these were fun jobs they didn't want to have to share.
 
Della said:
Valium
This is an interesting article about how Big Pharm marketed the first "light" tranquilizers for everything from anxiety to boredom and sleeplessness. Sounds like it was all about making money, much like the recent over prescribing of opioids.

It says nothing about a giant conspiracy among men to keep women at home. Most of the fathers of my classmates were working in chemical factories or coal mines. I don't think these were fun jobs they didn't want to have to share.
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Yes, apparently the first one was called Miltown. It took a while for people to realize how addictive even the "light" tranquilizers were.
 
Lewkat said:
Stepford Wives.
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Della said:
Valium
This is an interesting article about how Big Pharm marketed the first "light" tranquilizers for everything from anxiety to boredom and sleeplessness. Sounds like it was all about making money, much like the recent over prescribing of opioids.

It says nothing about a giant conspiracy among men to keep women at home.
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Bella said:
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Who do you think paid for that ad? The company that makes that drug or a group of men who were tired of eating cereal for breakfast so they all got together at a pizza parlor in D.C. and paid for the ad? I vote for the drug company who were obviously taking advantage of their knowledge that one of the first signs of depression are an inability to get out of bed.

BTW "The Stepford Wives," is 1. a work of fiction and 2. the women in it were killed and replaced with robots.
 
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