Modern slavery

Paco Dennis said:
Promise? Good!
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To educate you on the meaning of the offensive racial slur you just committed would take too much time, and effort. But ignorance is no excuse. Instead of adding to your statement; you should have deleted it.
 

Aneeda72 said:
To educate you on the meaning of the offensive racial slur you just committed would take too much time, and effort. But ignorance is no excuse. Instead of adding to your statement; you should have deleted it.
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Now your calling me a racist!!! Geeez...to explain to you how authoritarianism is behind most all slavery, is beyond your comprehension. So we have the usual misunderstanding. Everybody post acceptable posts or off with your head.
 
Paco Dennis said:
Now your calling me a racist!!! Geeez...to explain to you how authoritarianism is behind most all slavery, is beyond your comprehension. So we have the usual misunderstanding. Everybody post acceptable posts or off with your head.
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😂😂😂 I did not call you a racist. And you fall back on the usual attack strategy to try and prove your point-it’s “beyond your comprehension”. Nope, it’s not. I comprehended exactly what you wrote. I misunderstood nothing.
 
Sunny said:
There are other alternatives than the two you give us, ElCastor. Being stuck in a miserable job with wages that no human being could live on, vs. socialism are the only two options you mention.

How about a legally mandated minmum wage?
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What! There IS a federally mandated minimum wage, and most states have there own! As for Socialism, I never offered it as a solution. I inquired of the author that I was responding to if it was his or her solution. Get it?
 
Aneeda72 said:
🙄. Hilter was not trying to make slaves of US citizens. This thread is about Modern Slavery. 😂. At least that’s what the title says.

As for the oh so very scary (to some) communist or socialist, they are political parties in the modern world in which we live. As far as I know, they do not have slaves, as a group. And, as I recall, the US did not enter WWII eagerly; but attempted to avoid war for quite some time. We had to be reluctantly drawn in.
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As far as you know communists or socialists do not have slaves? Let me help with that …
”Nearly 800,000 people live as modern-day slaves in Russia, working under conditions of forced labor, debt bondage and human trafficking, according to the 2018 Global Slavery Index, a worldwide analysis of slavery.”
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2018/07/23/800000-human-slaves-living-in-russia-report-says-a62317
 
rwb said:
... You mean America, Canada and most European countries, were not and are not the only countries that ever engaged in the slave trade??? My goodness, I had no idea!! Where is the outrage?
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Yeah, I think the word "phenomenon" isn't quite right here...

ElCastor said:
Ironically slavery in modern day Africa is abundant across the continent, and is a Black on Black phenomenon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_contemporary_Africa
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...because it's nothing new or inexplicable in Africa.

As in Asia and the ME, human slavery in Africa goes back to ancient times, and probably prehistoric times. And it wasn't (and isn't) about color, it was/is about culture; the powerful enslaving the weak and vulnerable, sometimes to the point of near genocide, and often complete genocide. Dozens of tribes on the Asian, African, and Middle Eastern continents disappeared over the centuries due to the capture, separation, and sales of men, women, and children for the slave trade.
 
helenbacque said:
The lack of some form or universal health care in the U.S. enslaves many to a job they do not want.

Wars. The last righteous one was WW II. All since have been about oil, ego, greed and politics. There must be an enemy in order to justify the obscenely expensive military budget that prefers buying toys to kill with rather than caring for veterans who have been used up and thrown away.
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WWll was 100% political. Hitler wanted to rule Poland and Russia, at least for a start.

It was also 100% about slavery.
 
Murrmurr said:
WWll was 100% political. Hitler wanted to rule Poland and Russia, at least for a start.

It was also 100% about slavery.
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I am not sure what Hitler wanted, he was after all insane. But it was not 100% about slavery, in my opinion. It was not about slavery at all, in my opinion. You do not kill off the slave population, you enslave them and put them to work. Hilter killed millions of people that could have used as slaves by the German people or drafted into the Army to help the war effort.

I agree Hilter wanted to rule more countries and it was a land grab. But Hilter also wanted racial purity. He hated, hated, hated certain classes and races of people including the disabled. The German people were enslaved by the Nazi party, as all Germans were made to be Nazi. IMO.
 
Aneeda72 said:
I am not sure what Hitler wanted, he was after all insane. But it was not 100% about slavery, in my opinion. It was not about slavery at all, in my opinion. You do not kill off the slave population, you enslave them and put them to work. Hilter killed millions of people that could have used as slaves by the German people or drafted into the Army to help the war effort.

I agree Hilter wanted to rule more countries and it was a land grab. But Hilter also wanted racial purity. He hated, hated, hated certain classes and races of people including the disabled. The German people were enslaved by the Nazi party, as all Germans were made to be Nazi. IMO.
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Yeah, but you have to feed them, too. Even when rations were cut so severely they didn't keep the slaves alive for more than several weeks, even those rations ate into the war budget. Plus, most of the killing was done toward the end, when the war turned in the allied force's favor. So in addition to saving money, it was done to hide evidence of starvation and other atrocities, as well as to eliminate Jews for das zukunft (future) of Das MuterLandt !!
 
Murrmurr said:
Yeah, but you have to feed them, too. Even when rations were cut so severely they didn't keep the slaves alive for more than several weeks, even those rations ate into the war budget. Plus, most of the killing was done toward the end, when the war turned in the allied force's favor. So in addition to saving money, it was done to hide evidence of starvation and other atrocities, as well as to eliminate Jews for das zukunft (future) of Das MuterLandt !!
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Google why the war was fought. 🙄. It is actually written, agreed upon, recorded history. Land grab; racial purity. Geez there must be something in the air
 

Uncovering The Links Between Authoritarianism and Human Trafficking​


Excerpt:

"Human trafficking is defined as the “recruitment, transportation, transfer, harboring, or receipt of persons […] for the purpose of exploitation” through using deception, fraud, debt bondage, and other forms of coercion. Each year, the U.S. Department of State publishes its Trafficking in Persons (TIP) report, which classifies countries based on their efforts in combatting human trafficking. It labels countries into four categories, Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 2 Watchlist, and Tier 3. Countries ranked in the Tier 1 category demonstrate the strongest anti-trafficking efforts, while countries ranked in the Tier 3 category demonstrate the worst.

HRF’s analysis of the 2020 TIP report revealed that democracies outperform authoritarian regimes in their efforts to combat human trafficking. 91% of the highest-ranking countries in the report —Tier 1 — are democratic. On the other end of the spectrum, almost 90% of the lowest-ranked countries — Tier 3 — are those ruled by authoritarian regimes.

This correlation is not just limited to the findings of the 2020 TIP report. Last year, HRF published an op-ed entitled “Human Trafficking Has a Hidden Cause — and It’s on the Rise Worldwide,” and in 2018, HRF published a policy memo “Authoritarianism and Trafficking in Persons.” Both found similar patterns linking authoritarianism and trafficking.

These patterns exist because of the features inherent to authoritarian regimes: the absence of rule of law, an independent or free press, and free and fair elections. Without avenues for dissent, trafficking victims, activists, and even ordinary citizens who oppose trafficking lack the means to disseminate information and hold their governments accountable. Those who do speak up are subject to political persecution, including being harassed, arbitrarily arrested and detained, and jailed."

The rest of the 3 minute article explains this in more detail.

https://hrf.org/uncovering-the-links-between-authoritarianism-and-human-trafficking/
 
Aneeda72 said:
Google why the war was fought. 🙄. It is actually written, agreed upon, recorded history. Land grab; racial purity. Geez there must be something in the air
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What's that got to do with my comment?....which was a response to "You do not kill off the slave population, you enslave them and put them to work. Hilter killed millions of people that could have used as slaves by the German people or drafted into the Army to help the war effort."

True, but, as I said, you have to feed your slaves, and he had a war to fund. Besides, he preferred to cleanse Germany of subhumans. Very useful for making bullets and tanks, not much more than beer servers and floor sweepers in peacetime.
 
Murrmurr said:
What's that got to do with my comment?....which was a response to "You do not kill off the slave population, you enslave them and put them to work. Hilter killed millions of people that could have used as slaves by the German people or drafted into the Army to help the war effort."

True, but, as I said, you have to feed your slaves, and he had a war to fund. Besides, he preferred to cleanse Germany of subhumans. Very useful for making bullets and tanks, not much more than beer servers and floor sweepers in peacetime.
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You said the war was 100% about slavery. It was not-according to agreed upon history. I suppose I should have been clearer with my reference. There is no such thing as a “subhuman”. You are either human or you are not. Hilter wanted racial purity for the Germany people.

I am not racially pure, due to my Native American DNA. I would not have fit into Hilter’s Germany. What do you consider to be “subhuman”?

Wait, nevermind, too off topic to matter, and I am again getting dragged into a ridiculous useless conversation contrary to agreed upon history; about a subject that is fictional 🙄🤦🏻‍♀️. Total waste of my time.
 
Aneeda72 said:
I am not sure what Hitler wanted, he was after all insane. But it was not 100% about slavery, in my opinion. It was not about slavery at all, in my opinion. You do not kill off the slave population, you enslave them and put them to work. Hilter killed millions of people that could have used as slaves by the German people or drafted into the Army to help the war effort.
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Yep, as you say the man was insane. The only good thing here is that by the irrational decision not to take advantage of the talents and labor of the Jews and others hurt Hitler's war effort. Not soon enough though...
 
Buckeye said:
And thanks again for showing us who you are. @Aneeda72 you are making a bunch of assumptions based on your own biases. You know nothing about me or my family, and I feel no need to disclose it. But I will say again, your family history is not unique, given the depression era in America, and does not begin to compare to actual slavery. Read the above link.

And comparing historic slavery to modern slavery is the topic of this thread. Being in a job you don't like hardly rises to the definition of slavery. Here's another link for you to ignore.

Living Conditions of Slavery
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Murrmurr said:
Yeah, I think the word "phenomenon" isn't quite right here...


...because it's nothing new or inexplicable in Africa.

As in Asia and the ME, human slavery in Africa goes back to ancient times, and probably prehistoric times. And it wasn't (and isn't) about color, it was/is about culture; the powerful enslaving the weak and vulnerable, sometimes to the point of near genocide, and often complete genocide. Dozens of tribes on the Asian, African, and Middle Eastern continents disappeared over the centuries due to the capture, separation, and sales of men, women, and children for the slave trade.
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I believe the captors and vendors of African slaves to American slavers were themselves African. Apparently nothing has changed — except the race of the buyers.
 
ElCastor said:
I believe the captors and vendors of African slaves to American slavers were themselves African. Apparently nothing has changed — except the race of the buyers.
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Yes. I highly doubt a white man would have lived long in deeper Africa back in the 17 and 1800s. They'd be dead from infection, eaten by animals, or killed by wary tribesmen before managing to capture any potential slaves. African kings sent groups of men out to various villages or hunting grounds to capture men, women, and even children, then had them taken to a port to sell them to slave ship captains or captain's men. I doubt those slave-ship guys even left the immediate area around the port.
 
Murrmurr said:
Yes. I highly doubt a white man would have lived long in deeper Africa back in the 17 and 1800s. They'd be dead from infection, eaten by animals, or killed by wary tribesmen before managing to capture any potential slaves. African kings sent groups of men out to various villages or hunting grounds to capture men, women, and even children, then had them taken to a port to sell them to slave ship captains or captain's men. I doubt those slave-ship guys even left the immediate area around the port.
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Yes. Also, along the Eastern coast of Africa, Muslims had a vigorous trade in slaves and still do to this day, except the slaves are not black Africans , but Semitic peoples and other Muslims.
 

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