You live alone ? Do you keep a gun in your residence ?

Della said:
I've learned so much from this thread.

Persecution complex gets you off? Don't all gun owners have at least a touch of that? Otherwise why have a gun unless you think someone at some time might be out to get you?

I'm also surprised that you can own a gun in England if you like to go for target practice. Couldn't any hooligan say that, or join a club if needed? What a giant loophole for those intent on crime.

I was going to claim more guns than Judycat as a deterrent to robbers, but then I thought what if they needed guns for their gang and thought my house would be the best one to rob?

Actually we have zero guns and my husband was 22 years in the military. I think lots of people think all military types are gun owners, but no.

What does worry me a little bit is that he's usually out drinking until about 2 A.M. and everyone in his local bar knows where he lives and that I and my little dog, too, are home alone while he's there. I think the two of us will just go out the window and run.
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Oh, yeah. All gun owners have a persecution complex - except me.
But dammit, why is everyone out to get me?
 
Macfan said:
Some questions shouldn't be asked, much less answered, on a public forum. Just sharing my 2 cents :coffee:. Don...
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As the originator of this thread, let me ask you this question? What possible risk do you see in a SF member replying about if they have a gun or not ? I DID NOT ask for their home address, or their name, or even which State they live in, did I ?

I suggest your reply reveals your own fear/insecurity/paranoia about living in the USA. My reason for posing the question in the first place was to stimulate a conversation here. Which it did. And as another person wrote, YES I live in Canada, and yes I was armed on a daily basis as a Canadian Forces Military Police officer for a number of years, so I do have fire arms training experience. Since I left the military I do not own any fire arms. JimB
 
The Prez has recently proposed a civilian assault rifle ban. I can’t usually agree with him, but on this I do. Assault rifles have one purpose, killing humans, and their bullets will easily penetrate most walls. Inappropriate for home defense. Buy them back from their owners if necessary, but get rid of them.
 
ElCastor said:
The Prez has recently proposed a civilian assault rifle ban. I can’t usually agree with him, but on this I do. Assault rifles have one purpose, killing humans, and their bullets will easily penetrate most walls. Inappropriate for home defense. Buy them back from their owners if necessary, but get rid of them.
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What would your opinion be on this idea. Restrict rifles to bolt action types with a 5 round magazine ? Same for shotguns. That would allow hunters to still own actual hunting rifles and shotguns, but make the semi auto rifles ( which can be converted to full auto easily ) with 30 round magazines illegal. JImB.
 
ElCastor said:
The Prez has recently proposed a civilian assault rifle ban. I can’t usually agree with him, but on this I do. Assault rifles have one purpose, killing humans, and their bullets will easily penetrate most walls. Inappropriate for home defense. Buy them back from their owners if necessary, but get rid of them.
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Same question: How would you suggest convincing criminals to give their assault weapons up?
And we both know they won't - which is why I'm keeping mine. That's also the reason police officers have assault rifles.
 
Here's some interesting data on gun deaths in the US. Over half of gun deaths are suicides, and of the murders, 59% were committed with hand guns. How many were committed with rifles, including semi-auto? 3%, but in a large number of cases, the type of weapon was not reported, so that number may be disputed. How many were committed with semi-automatic rifles that had been converted to full auto? Virtually zero.

So, how may of you want to take away my SO's 6 shot revolver, which is essentially a semi-automatic hand gun?

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
 
I'm 100% Canadian. Seeing that statement about owning a gun in my home is rather strange. I haven't owned a gun since I was a little kid on the farm and hunting squirrels on the weekends. That was a .22 single shot.

Canada might have it's problems but the need to own a gun is not one of them. I feel perfectly safe where ever I go in my country. Of course, I don't deal in drugs, murder women or rob stores so why own a gun. I am a "good boy." If my mama were alive she would be very proud of me because she brought up her boy right!
 
win231 said:
Same question: How would you suggest convincing criminals to give their assault weapons up?
And we both know they won't - which is why I'm keeping mine. That's also the reason police officers have assault rifles.
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How would I convince? How about a severe mandatory prison sentence for possession? As for you being unable to defend your home without that assault rifle. How about a 12 gauge short barrel pump shotgun? Not going to go through two walls, cross the street, and kill your neighbor’s kid.

Regarding the police and military, I would leave their choice of weapons up to their rules and judgment.
 
jimintoronto said:
What would your opinion be on this idea. Restrict rifles to bolt action types with a 5 round magazine ? Same for shotguns. That would allow hunters to still own actual hunting rifles and shotguns, but make the semi auto rifles ( which can be converted to full auto easily ) with 30 round magazines illegal. JImB.
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Of course the devil is always in the details, but sounds OK to me.
 
ElCastor said:
How would I convince? How about a severe mandatory prison sentence for possession? As for you being unable to defend your home without that assault rifle. How about a 12 gauge short barrel pump shotgun? Not going to go through two walls, cross the street, and kill your neighbor’s kid.

Regarding the police and military, I would leave their choice of weapons up to their rules and judgment.
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"A mandatory prison sentence for possession?" Possession of a firearm (or even ONE round of ammunition) by someone with a criminal record is already a crime that carries a mandatory prison sentence. The problem: That charge is usually taken off the table in plea agreements. And that would not be a concern for a career criminal/repeat offender who has already been in & out of prison for most of his life because of our pathetic justice system.
"A 12-Gauge pump shotgun?" Yes, very effective, but limited to 4 or 5 rounds and slow to reload. Great choice - IF you are only facing a limited number of adversaries. We don't get to choose how many - just as retail stores are learning when they are robbed by "Flash Mobs" of 7 or 8 thieves. Sometimes, rats run in packs - as in these incidents, where the limited magazine capacity of a shotgun wouldn't do:

A review of post #113 will be enlightening.
 
My thoughts on this, for what its worth, crooks, criminals, bad
people etc do not fear the consequence of break laws, they know they will not get any lengthy sentence in lots of cases, in others it just does not matter....so make it tough up front and
let it be known,....get caught with a gun, go serve 20 yrs right now....doesn't matter if u fired it...but if u did fire it, or threaten
to use it, add another 10 yrs on that 20yrs....and no talk of
good time or parole, probation....just do the time day to day....and lets start demanding that anyone getting a firearm go thru training on how to use it.....that's just common sense....my two cents.....
 
win231 said:
"A 12-Gauge pump shotgun?" Yes, very effective, but limited to 4 or 5 rounds and slow to reload. Great choice - IF you are only facing a limited number of adversaries. We don't get to choose how many - just as retail stores are learning when they are robbed by "Flash Mobs" of 7 or 8 thieves. Sometimes, rats run in packs - as in these incidents, where the limited magazine capacity of a shotgun wouldn't do:
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Oh I see, but why should you be limited to a semi-automatic assault rifle. Those criminals are dangerous! 12 gauge shotgun is for amateurs! You need 3 machine guns, one for the front door, one the back door, and another for the roof! A dozen grenades would be an obvious requirement, and maybe mines in the front lawn?

Just a suggestion, but if you live in a place that must be defended from murderous intruders with a military style assault rifle and maybe a clip as long as my arm, you might want to consider moving.
 
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ElCastor said:
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Oh I see, but why should you be limited to a semi-automatic assault rifle. Those criminals are dangerous! 12 gauge shotgun is for amateurs! You need 3 machine guns, one for the front door, one the back door, and another for the roof! A dozen grenades would be an obvious requirement, and maybe mines in the front lawn?

Just a suggestion, but if you live in a place that must be defended from murderous intruders with a military style assault rifle and maybe a clip as long as my arm, you might want to consider moving.
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Nice deflection. Nice exaggeration. But you still have no comment for Post #113. :)
 
jimintoronto said:
As the originator of this thread, let me ask you this question? What possible risk do you see in a SF member replying about if they have a gun or not ? I DID NOT ask for their home address, or their name, or even which State they live in, did I ?

I suggest your reply reveals your own fear/insecurity/paranoia about living in the USA. My reason for posing the question in the first place was to stimulate a conversation here. Which it did. And as another person wrote, YES I live in Canada, and yes I was armed on a daily basis as a Canadian Forces Military Police officer for a number of years, so I do have fire arms training experience. Since I left the military I do not own any fire arms. JimB
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I was just sharing my 2 cents and humbly thank you for allowing me to do so :coffee:. Don...
 
ElCastor said:
I looked. So what? Bottom line, people like you like those guns. People like me do not like them. So far you are in the winners seat, but time and tragedy may change the score.
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It doesn't have much to do with being in the winner's seat. Everyone has the right to whatever level of protection they choose - for any possibility they're concerned about. And some have loved ones to protect, who depend on them. That's why NO ONE has the right to dictate what type of weapon they choose, or how many rounds the magazine holds.
 
win231 said:
It doesn't have much to do with being in the winner's seat. Everyone has the right to whatever level of protection they choose - for any possibility they're concerned about. And some have loved ones to protect, who depend on them. That's why NO ONE has the right to dictate what type of weapon they choose, or how many rounds the magazine holds.
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Oh? No one has the right? Can you trot down to the corner gun store and buy a fully automatic machine gun? The National Firearms Act might allow you to purchase an antique manufactured before 1986, but even that is closely regulated. The manufacture, sale, and possession of assault rifles could be subject to similar or stricter regulation, and I hope that very soon it is.
 
Germany in the 20's and 30's took away guns from their citizens. Russia/USSR took all the guns after the 1917/18 revolution. China outlawed guns for all citizens, Cuba did, Venezeula did and other countries are trying to disarm all citizens!! Anti gun lovers can move to one of those countries.
 
ElCastor said:
The Prez has recently proposed a civilian assault rifle ban. I can’t usually agree with him, but on this I do. Assault rifles have one purpose, killing humans, and their bullets will easily penetrate most walls. Inappropriate for home defense. Buy them back from their owners if necessary, but get rid of them.
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incrementalism

ĭn″krə-mĕn′tl-ĭz″əm

noun​

  1. Social or political gradualism.
  2. Any method of achieving a goal by means of a series of gradual increments, or small steps.
1964 The Surgeon General warning on cigarette packaging!! And now if you smoke (AND I DO NOT) you are a piece of garbage and a totally worthless person.

They want our GUNS!! and incrementally they are moving towards that goal!!
 

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