You live alone ? Do you keep a gun in your residence ?

rwb said:
Germany in the 20's and 30's took away guns from their citizens. Russia/USSR took all the guns after the 1917/18 revolution. China outlawed guns for all citizens, Cuba did, Venezeula did and other countries are trying to disarm all citizens!! Anti gun lovers can move to one of those countries.
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The Constitution guarantees us the right to keep and bear arms, as in guns, but do you really want the corner store selling fully automatic machine guns? In an age of bump stock rifles and assault rifles that are clearly designed to efficiently kill large numbers of people, isn’t it reasonable to draw a line? I can defend my home with a pump shotgun and/or revolver, but does the Constitution guarantee me the right to a 50 caliber machine gun? Surely we can, and do, apply reasonable limits and still respect the Constitution. Those who disagree are free to amend the Constitution, but in a world of lunatic mass murderers, good luck with that.
 

ElCastor said:
Oh? No one has the right? Can you trot down to the corner gun store and buy a fully automatic machine gun? The National Firearms Act might allow you to purchase an antique manufactured before 1986, but even that is closely regulated. The manufacture, sale, and possession of assault rifles could be subject to similar or stricter regulation, and I hope that very soon it is.
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Depends on which state you live in. Doesn't matter to me because I have no interest in any fully-auto firearm. The magazine empties in a few seconds & is not nearly as precise as a house gun should be. They have a different purpose - and are needed on a battlefield to spray general areas where the enemy may be hiding. Semi auto is fine.
 

rwb said:
incrementalism

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noun​

  1. Social or political gradualism.
  2. Any method of achieving a goal by means of a series of gradual increments, or small steps.
1964 The Surgeon General warning on cigarette packaging!! And now if you smoke (AND I DO NOT) you are a piece of garbage and a totally worthless person.

They want our GUNS!! and incrementally they are moving towards that goal!!
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No - no - They're coming for our cars! The've continued to make changes that out-date our cars. What was safe a few years ago, is now not allowed. The "gubment" is on the march to take our cars.

If you can't afford the latest model. you're doomed to a life afoot. Only the wealthy will still be able to drive.
 
ElCastor said:
The Constitution guarantees us the right to keep and bear arms, as in guns, but do you really want the corner store selling fully automatic machine guns? In an age of bump stock rifles and assault rifles that are clearly designed to efficiently kill large numbers of people, isn’t it reasonable to draw a line? I can defend my home with a pump shotgun and/or revolver, but does the Constitution guarantee me the right to a 50 caliber machine gun? Surely we can, and do, apply reasonable limits and still respect the Constitution. Those who disagree are free to amend the Constitution, but in a world of lunatic mass murderers, good luck with that.
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Amusing how you speak in extremes to try to make your point. 😂
 
win231 said:
Amusing how you speak in extremes to try to make your point. 😂
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Glad you are amused, but not surprised that you remain unconvinced. Fortunately I am convinced, as are many others. Might also surprise you that I lean to the right side of the aisle, but still see the need for a reasonable approach to the gun issue.
 
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ElCastor said:
Glad you are amused, but not surprised that you remain unconvinced. Fortunately I am convinced, as are many others. Might also surprise you that I lean to the right side of the aisle, but still see the need for a reasonable approach to the gun issue.
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Each to his own, but certain groups hope that you and others will compromise your rights, and unfortunately, many will. By the time you finally realize what has happened it will be too late. They depend on reasonable people to compromise and often compromising equals loosing.
 
ElCastor said:
Glad you are amused, but not surprised that you remain unconvinced. Fortunately I am convinced, as are many others. Might also surprise you that I lean to the right side of the aisle, but still see the need for a reasonable approach to the gun issue.
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More like the need to dictate the choices of others.
 
If there is 1 BIG difference between Canadians and Americans, I would say it's the ownership of guns. Generally speaking, Canadians don't own them, don't want them and don't need them. It seems the Americans feel very strongly about their "right" to own guns, to protect themselves and to really need them to be "safe."

Funny what 1 little border will do to divide some folks. Canadians are amused by Americans love of gun ownership while Americans often wonder how Canadians "protect" themselves without guns.
 
Packerjohn said:
If there is 1 BIG difference between Canadians and Americans, I would say it's the ownership of guns. Generally speaking, Canadians don't own them, don't want them and don't need them. It seems the Americans feel very strongly about their "right" to own guns, to protect themselves and to really need them to be "safe."

Funny what 1 little border will do to divide some folks. Canadians are amused by Americans love of gun ownership while Americans often wonder how Canadians "protect" themselves without guns.
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I don't wonder. Don't care, either.
 
My mom (may she RIP) owned a gun for many years. My baby brother (may he RIP) lived with her. One night he came home late, open the door to the living room where she was sitting, she shot at him unaware it was him.. thank goodness she missed. I think, that's when she got rid of her gun. This made me a bit leery of owning a gun.
 
Buckeye said:
And at this point, those laws allow me to buy as many AR type rifles as I can afford and want. You and Biden can try to change that but that pesky Second Amendment keeps getting in the way. Welcome to our Constitution!
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Oh, and does that 2nd Amendment allow you to buy or sell a new fully automatic machinegun, or equip your assault rifle with a Bump Stock? Yikes! If not, why not???
 
Packerjohn said:
If there is 1 BIG difference between Canadians and Americans, I would say it's the ownership of guns. Generally speaking, Canadians don't own them, don't want them and don't need them. It seems the Americans feel very strongly about their "right" to own guns, to protect themselves and to really need them to be "safe."

Funny what 1 little border will do to divide some folks. Canadians are amused by Americans love of gun ownership while Americans often wonder how Canadians "protect" themselves without guns.
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The US Constitution guarantees Americans the right to keep and bear arms, but what these assault rifle enthusiasts don't want to admit is that the right can be lawfully modified and limited in some respects, just not revoked entirely.
 
Ladybj said:
My mom (may she RIP) owned a gun for many years. My baby brother (may he RIP) lived with her. One night he came home late, open the door to the living room where she was sitting, she shot at him unaware it was him.. thank goodness she missed. I think, that's when she got rid of her gun. This made me a bit leery of owning a gun.
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Good idea. People who lack basic common sense shouldn't own guns.
They shouldn't drive, either.
No gun has a brain. It relies on its owner's brain.
 
In a related story... I was wondering how Oathkeeper founder and convicted seditionist Stewart Rhodes lost his eye.
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Turns out, he accidentally shot himself with a .22 pistol! :ROFLMAO:
 
rwb said:
Interesting how many people enjoy being under the thumb of our "wise and wonderful" politicians!!
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Yes it is. That thumb is of course a product of our Founding Fathers and their evil Constitution, the one that sets us apart from the rest of the world. Sorry you find it so inconvenient.
 
Buckeye said:
And at this point, those laws allow me to buy as many AR type rifles as I can afford and want. You and Biden can try to change that but that pesky Second Amendment keeps getting in the way. Welcome to our Constitution!
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ElCastor said:
Oh, and does that 2nd Amendment allow you to buy or sell a new fully automatic machinegun, or equip your assault rifle with a Bump Stock? Yikes! If not, why not???
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lol - your feeble attempt to "move the goal posts" clearly shows that even you know you are wrong about this. You keep yapping about ar15 style rifles, not about full autos.

It is estimated that 2.8 million of those guns you are so scared of, AR15 type and AK type were made/imported to the US in 2020 alone. (Did not see any data for 2021 or YTD in 2022, but I'd guess the numbers did not go down.) And that, as of 2020, there are over 20 million of them in the hands of private citizens. That number too has surely gone up. And you should know that history has taught us that bans do not work.

You're welcome!
 
Buckeye said:
lol - your feeble attempt to "move the goal posts" clearly shows that even you know you are wrong about this. You keep yapping about ar15 style rifles, not about full autos.
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AR15 advocates, such as yourself, apparently base much of their argument on the assumption that legislators do not have the right or reason to limit the sale and possession of guns of a particular type or attribute. I bring up full automatics and bump stocks to demonstrate that our elected representatives do have that right. AR15s and bumpstocks share one thing with full automatics, they are clearly designed to easily, efficiently, and quickly kill large numbers of human beings, as in crowds and school rooms. I believe that kind of fire power should be limited to the military and law enforcement. The First Amendment guarantees your right to disagree, but if you want to convince me you will have to do it with logic rather than emotion.
 

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