Another Plane Crash - Airbus Over French Alps

How terrible this is.It's bad enough for the families as it is, by knowing it was deliberate, it makes it even worse.
 

oakapple said:
How terrible this is.It's bad enough for the families as it is, by knowing it was deliberate, it makes it even worse.
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...and who can't help but feel great pity for the co-pilot's parents who now have found themselves not only mourning the death of their son, but to all intents and speculation that he is also a mass murderer. ..and currently they are in a the dreadful position in their grief of being questioned intently by the Police...
 
[h=2]The co-pilot of the Germanwings Airbus was a convert to Islam[/h]
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According to Michael Mannheimer, a writer for German PI-News, Germany now has its own 9/11, thanks to the convert to Islam, Andreas Lubitz.

Translation from German:

All evidence indicates that the copilot of Airbus machine in his six-months break during his training as a pilot in Germanwings, converted to Islam and subsequently either by the order of "radical", ie. devout Muslims , or received the order from the book of terror, the Quran, on his own accord decided to carry out this mass murder. As a radical mosque in Bremen is in the center of the investigation, in which the convert was staying often, it can be assumed that he - as Mohammed Atta, in the attack against New York - received his instructions directly from the immediate vicinity of the mosque.

Converts are the most important weapon of Islam. Because their resume do not suggests that they often are particularly violent Muslims. Thus Germany now has its own 9/11, but in a reduced form. And so it is clear that Islam is a terrorist organization that are in accordance with §129a of the Criminal Code to prohibit it and to investigate its followers. But nothing will happen. One can bet that the apologists (media, politics, "Islamic Scholars") will agree to assign this an act of a "mentally unstable" man, and you can bet that now, once again the mantra of how supposedly peaceful Islam is will continue. And worse still, the attacks by the left against those who have always warned against Islam, will be angrier and merciless.

For now the German Islam supporters like never before have their backs against the wall.

Michael Mannheimer, 26.3.2015

The Daily Mail today writes:

Police investigating the Germanwings crash said tonight they had made a 'significant discovery' at the home of pilot Andreas Lubitz, who deliberately ploughed the Airbus A320 into the French Alps.

Officers refused to reveal details of the potential breakthrough but said it was not a suicide note.

Hopefully we'll know in a few days if this article is accurate
 

It is just sad. And I wonder why so many people are turning to Islam , against their own country. And even some going to Isis. All those people gone, I hope none suffered.
 
There has to be a reason why this pilot did this....and if he converted to Islam, and decided to become a Martyr, this would certainly seem plausible. With every passing day, it seems that more and more atrocities are being committed by these radicals, and the gullible they are convincing to convert. If these senseless acts continue, we may find ourselves thrown back into the days of the Crusades.

I think it is a rule, with US airlines, that there must always be two people in the cockpit...or one of the inflight crew must stand by the door if one of the pilots needs to take a bathroom break. After this tragedy, I would expect the other nations airline companies to adopt a similar rule. It seems that no one can be fully trusted, anymore.
 
QuickSilver said:
I've heard that most airlines do NOT allow a single person in the cockpit.. If a pilot has to use the restroom a flight attendant will join the co-pilot.. however, not sure what a flight attendant could have done. I also thought that cockpits had a keypad entry lock on the outside which would have allowed the pilot to get back in. Although I think that can be disabled manually from inside. Not sure...but Oldman can certainly tell us.
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This site pretty well explains all there is to know about cockpit doors with a few differences. Focus on the five- twenty minutes.

http://www.dw.de/how-does-a-cockpit-door-work/a-18343317
 
BBC news says the co-pilot suffered from serious depression but hid it from the airline. He had sick note to give to his employer on the day of the flight but had ripped it up. It was found in his flat.

They said this act was not political or religious. There was no mention of him converting to Islam and the rumour was simply a result of wanting to blame everything on Muslims.
 
I stayed awake last night thinking (dwelling) on this casualty. It actually made me feel, I don't know how to explain it, but maybe just confused and messed up. For most of us pilots and former pilots, we all loved to fly. It is what we always felt we were born to do. Of course, there are a few schmucks that look at flying as just a job, but 98% of us thought it was like being paid really well for something we love or loved to do. Most every pilot that I have known and flown with had the passion. It isn't a 9-5 job. We all took safety really seriously and in times when we may have been stressed while flying because of home issues or whatever, we would gladly turn the the controls over to the other pilot. No one ever mentioned anything about flying when they thought they shouldn't have been. Distractions can and do cause accidents. I am so over-come by this tragedy that it is so unbearable to believe that someone would take so many innocent lives with him. Why not just stab yourself in the chest or put a bullet in your brain. Why screw up so many innocent lives? It is bad enough when an airplane goes down by mechanical or pilot error. This totally consumes me at the moment, but will go away when I can move on. It is crazy how this can affect some people that weren't even involved in it. I feel terrible for everyone, including the airline.

Thanks for letting me vent.
 
Go ahead and vent, Oldman. I know how you feel. Why did he have to murder these people because he was depressed?! What a waste of so many innocent lives.

Apparently he took 6 months off with depression already in his short career, so I don't understand why the airline didn't keep a close eye on him.
 
If this guy was suicidal why not rent a small single prop plane or Porsche and slam it into a wall. Something isn't passing the smell test here. Now they're saying it was known he was depressed. But to kill 150 people? There are suicidal people that wouldn't mind taking a few with them but 150 for no reason? Even some of these murder-suicides are nothing but motivation for suicide for the perpetrator that's why a lot of them stop at who was in the house. Maybe he considered the plane his house?
 
WhatInThe said:
If this guy was suicidal why not rent a small single prop plane or Porsche and slam it into a wall. Something isn't passing the smell test here. Now they're saying it was known he was depressed. But to kill 150 people? There are suicidal people that wouldn't mind taking a few with them but 150 for no reason? Even some of these murder-suicides are nothing but motivation for suicide for the perpetrator that's why a lot of them stop at who was in the house. Maybe he considered the plane his house?
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This article says at least 8 pilots have done the same since 1976 but it is getting more and more rare. And only a few of these 8 pilots had passengers.

http://www.vox.com/2015/3/26/8294971/pilot-suicide-crash
 
Sources told the German tabloid Bild, Lubitz received psychiatric treatment for one and a half years while in flight school, and was forced to repeat some classes because of a struggle with depression.

He recently broke up with his girlfriend of seven years, who he had been engaged to at one time, and were living together.
 
Misty said:
Sources told the German tabloid Bild, Lubitz received psychiatric treatment for one and a half years while in flight school, and was forced to repeat some classes because of a struggle with depression.

He recently broke up with his girlfriend of seven years, who he had been engaged to at one time, and were living together.
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Hadn't heard about the girlfriend except that they said they lived together in Dusseldorf. He was also off for 6 months on sick leave with depression.
 
IMO; all this speculation about depression is extremely damaging, and has not been confirmed by anybody.
all his colleagues have said that he acted perfectly normally beforehand, and I think this makes anybody who has or has had depression less likely to seek help.
if that happens, heaven help us all....
 
It will all come out eventually, however the German authorities seem to be finding things out very quickly and not trying to hide anything. It seems like a tragic case of a depressed person taking everyone with him.Who knows what he thought, he was not acting rationally.He may have been angry with the world, or even thought it would be better for all the people to die.Depressed people rarely act as if they are depressed, so at the time he appeared normal.I do feel sorry for all his family, as well as all the other families, as actually, they have the bigger burden to carry.
 
yeah your are right. But if they want to kill themselves why do they have to take people with them? People in these kind of jobs should be monitored all the time. And true depressed people rarely show it....look at Robin Williams for example. Those who do show they are depressed will obviously already be in treatment , prayerfully , anyway. It is just so so sad for the all the people on board that their families are so in need of prayer as the family of the pilot. We need to pray for them to trust God for answers and understanding. There is just no words to espress.
 
He may not have planned the suicide beforehand, or taking that plane down. It might have just been a spur of the moment thing that just overcame him and he acted on it.
 
Well they said they found a letter in his trash from a Dr visit or someone saying "he is not fit" now they don't know what they meant by not fit yet. They were thinking a sickness or mental illness. It is sad though. I wonder why he couldn't reach out to a family member or a Dr or a Friend. Ah, I guess it is hind sight now....all we can do is pray for all the families involved. But he purposely locked the other pilot out. We will never know so I guess it best we not guess....just pray:praying:
 
Girlfriend of Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz is 'expecting his child'

Unnamed partner of Andreas Lubitz is pregnant with his child, according to reports


By Gregory Walton, Krefeld

3:38PM BST 29 Mar 2015

Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz was expecting a baby with his teacher girlfriend before the air crash which killed him and 149 others, it has been claimed.

Reports in the German press suggest that Lubitz's unnamed partner had become pregnant by him in recent months.

Bild am Sonntag, the nation's best-selling Sunday paper, said that the woman had broken the news to her students within the past few weeks.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ubitz-girlfriend-was-expecting-his-child.html
 
I lost a night's sleep over this accident trying to come up with some type of reasonable explanation as to why and/or how someone can do this to 149 other totally innocent people. It just didn't effect those people and their immediate families, but also aunts, uncles, grandmas, grandpas, cousins, moms, dads and friends and maybe even some that I missed.

I finally decided that the best explanation was a phrase that we use in drug and alcohol rehab: "When you choose your actions, you also choose your consequences." That still doesn't answer the question why, but it does help to understand how he was able to do it. He never considered the consequences. He probably compartmentalized and that allowed him the ability to do this heinous act. It's like it was all about him. Just a very callous, selfish act by a narcissist and perhaps psychopath.
 
oldman said:
I lost a night's sleep over this accident trying to come up with some type of reasonable explanation as to why and/or how someone can do this to 149 other totally innocent people. It just didn't effect those people and their immediate families, but also aunts, uncles, grandmas, grandpas, cousins, moms, dads and friends and maybe even some that I missed.

I finally decided that the best explanation was a phrase that we use in drug and alcohol rehab: "When you choose your actions, you also choose your consequences." That still doesn't answer the question why, but it does help to understand how he was able to do it. He never considered the consequences. He probably compartmentalized and that allowed him the ability to do this heinous act. It's like it was all about him. Just a very callous, selfish act by a narcissist and perhaps psychopath.[/

Along with all the other totally innocent men,women and children there were two Aussies on the plane...
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