Immigrants are flooding into the U.S.

fuzzybuddy said:
because they aren't home grown ones?
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Mainly, I think it's because it's not known who they are, and who they say they are is automatically suspect and requires confirmation and analysis.

(When I lived on an island in British Columbia a guy's pic came on TV, and I said "Hey I know him", (actually I didn't 'know' him, I'd seen him around and exchanged nods)........turns out he'd killed his girlfriend in Florida (IIRC), rolled the body in a rug and stuffed it under the bed for her mother to find......but he'd managed to obtain documentation (fake) which got him into Canada.)
 

SeniorBen said:
The governors of Texas and Florida are allowing illegals to enter our country and then sending them to other states. WTF?!! I think Arizona is doing that, too! Those governors need to be locked up for helping people break the law and creating a crisis!
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Humm.. I don't quite see it as you do.
I understand that these border states have found people crossing the border illegally and those governors are following the laws of the land, sent them to the states that have called themselves “sanctuary cities” for those places that believe illegal people can reside. Texas and Florida are not such places and I believe that, it is their way of making others understand the seriousness of the burden being put on states that do not and are not set up to absorb or fund people that enter illegally. It is more than just putting bodies on the land. Making them “working citizens“ of the US and that they follow the laws of the USA.

We still do have states rights.

Can you take in 5 million illegal people into your home? If you can call the state of Texas and Florida they would love to send them to your home.
I will state this over and over again. We ARE willing to take in people that want to come into the US IF they will enter legally and follow the protocol to BECOME citizens of the US.
 
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fuzzybuddy said:
A 100,000 refugees show up at the border, what do we do? Of course, there "illegal", but a mere change in the law could make them "legal". We could let the bastards wither and die where they stand. It is odd that our populations are growing smaller, effecting our economic future, so we need human beings to prevent that, but we should turn away humans, because they aren't home grown ones? One of the dire predictions about climate change is population displacement. I don't know about Europe, but in the Central America, beside narcotics and poverty, the climate is changing. Farms are failing. This region is extremely subject to increased temperature changes. https://theyearsproject.com/latest/climate-change-is-hitting-central-america-hard-here039s-why
I fear what is a trickle, now, will be vast horde when the effects of climate change become widespread.
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WOW! You packed so much into this message it will be difficult to break out and reply to it.
 

I was just looking at the total populations of many of these South American countries that are making their way to the US, along with Haiti and other Caribbean countries.

... the numbers, in the millions, are mind-boggling.
 
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fuzzybuddy said:
A 100,000 refugees show up at the border, what do we do? Of course, there "illegal", but a mere change in the law could make them "legal". We could let the bastards wither and die where they stand. It is odd that our populations are growing smaller, effecting our economic future, so we need human beings to prevent that, but we should turn away humans, because they aren't home grown ones? One of the dire predictions about climate change is population displacement. I don't know about Europe, but in the Central America, beside narcotics and poverty, the climate is changing. Farms are failing. This region is extremely subject to increased temperature changes. https://theyearsproject.com/latest/climate-change-is-hitting-central-america-hard-here039s-why
I fear what is a trickle, now, will be vast horde when the effects of climate change become widespread.
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That mere change in the law would have to apply to every country wouldn't it? And since the mere change making them legal would have to include ports of entry.

How many "made legal" world wide would you estimate would take advantage of the law change you propose?
 
Knight said:
That mere change in the law would have to apply to every country wouldn't it? And since the mere change making them legal would have to include ports of entry.

How many "made legal" world wide would you estimate would take advantage of the law change you propose?
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I forgot to add that the "media" has for the most part dropped the use of the word ILLEGAL when identifying the MIGANTS amassed at our southern border.
 
Wontactmyage said:
Humm.. I don't quite see it as you do.
I understand that these boarder states have found people crossing the boarder illegally and those governors are following the laws of the land, sent them to the states that have called themselves “sanctuary cities” for those places that believe illegal people can reside. Texas and Florida are not such places and I believe that, it is their way of making others understand the seriousness of the burden being put on states that do not and are not set up to absorb or fund people that enter illegally. It is more than just putting bodies on the land. Making them “working citizens“ of the US and that they follow the laws of the USA.

We still do have states rights.

Can you take in 5 million illegal people into your home? If you can call the state of Texas and Florida they would love to send them to your home.
I will state this over and over again. We ARE willing to take in people that want to come into the US IF they will enter legally and follow the protocol to BECOME citizens of the US.
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I’m going to reply to my note as I lived in the great state of Texas for 30 years. Yes it is “big” however…

I employed many people there all Legal. They were proud to be US citizens and knew our land better than we do and were hard workers.

As I drove to my job every day in a large city, I passed what we call “day workers” mostly NOT legal citizens. These people would congregate on particular corners of downtown every morning hoping to get a days work on the construction jobs. This benefited many facets of life. They also lived many, many people to a residence. A family down from my small home there were approximately 7 to 10 people living in a two bedroom home.
1. Gave cheap labor for the large construction companies because they paid under the table daily. Which in turn kept the costs down.
2. Gave people that are not US citizens a way to make money that they send back to Mexico to care for their families.
3. ***The US citizens “would not” do the work as it was too hard (lets not dirty our hands) or demeaning (dish washer etc.) and most US citizens found their way to the governments “easy street” though disability and other easy way around being employed.
4. I remember the “well to do” people say… When they got caught doing it, they were helping illegal people because they offered jobs of cleaning and raising their children, paying them very little and paid them under the table too.

The state of Texas is large land wise but is challenging because of the terrain. If you just look at it as their land there are not large areas of “paradise”.
 
Wontactmyage said:
Humm.. I don't quite see it as you do.
I understand that these boarder states have found people crossing the boarder illegally and those governors are following the laws of the land, sent them to the states that have called themselves “sanctuary cities” for those places that believe illegal people can reside. Texas and Florida are not such places and I believe that, it is their way of making others understand the seriousness of the burden being put on states that do not and are not set up to absorb or fund people that enter illegally. It is more than just putting bodies on the land. Making them “working citizens“ of the US and that they follow the laws of the USA.

We still do have states rights.

Can you take in 5 million illegal people into your home? If you can call the state of Texas and Florida they would love to send them to your home.
I will state this over and over again. We ARE willing to take in people that want to come into the US IF they will enter legally and follow the protocol to BECOME citizens of the US.
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Are you saying that the border states don't want to be boarders? Or that boarder states want border states to keep order and not ship immigrants around the country? Hmmm... :unsure:
 
Alligatorob said:
Q: How can payroll taxes be withheld if illegals don’t have a Social Security number?

A: Immigration law forbids working in this country without legal authorization and a Social Security Number (SSN). Yet millions of “undocumented” immigrant workers are earning income. Illegals often get jobs by using illegally obtained, forged, or invalid Social Security numbers. Employers in turn withhold payroll taxes and report the earnings to the Social Security Administration (SSA) using those numbers. When the numbers don’t match up with the numbers issued by SSA, they go into a special file called the “Earnings Suspense File.” Valid numbers issued from the U.S. government are also misused.

https://seniorsleague.org/how-undocumented-workers-are-becoming-entitled-to-social-security/
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Exactly! They have to break the law to come here, then break the law to get some kind of SSN (stolen identity) in order to work. The crimes just keep adding up. I suspect that the people who steal people's identity do it to sell to illegals so they can try to get work. there's a LOT of illegal activity tied to illegal immigrants.
SeniorBen said:
That's true. They're fleeing crises in their home countries and creating a crisis in our country.
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Exactly!
Pepper said:
It's off the books as there are no valid social security numbers to go with names in many instances. My off the books friends (usually dealers) always had a "real" job, even major careers, as well, to be legit on some level.
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Yes and working with illegals off the book has it's own set of problems because you have to pay them in cash and there's no way to do anything about it if they rip you off or cheat you or don't do the job right. A lady I know hired some one I suspect might have been illegal to redo her kitchen. She paid him half the money up front, he ripped her kitchen apart and never returned and kept the money. She don't even know if he gave her his real name. It's crazy.
 
Victoria said:
A lady I know hired some one I suspect might have been illegal to redo her kitchen. She paid him half the money up front, he ripped her kitchen apart and never returned and kept the money. She don't even know if he gave her his real name. It's crazy.
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I'll have to remember that one! :ROFLMAO:
 
Wontactmyage said:
Humm.. I don't quite see it as you do.
I understand that these border states have found people crossing the border illegally and those governors are following the laws of the land, sent them to the states that have called themselves “sanctuary cities” for those places that believe illegal people can reside. Texas and Florida are not such places and I believe that, it is their way of making others understand the seriousness of the burden being put on states that do not and are not set up to absorb or fund people that enter illegally. It is more than just putting bodies on the land. Making them “working citizens“ of the US and that they follow the laws of the USA.

We still do have states rights.

Can you take in 5 million illegal people into your home? If you can call the state of Texas and Florida they would love to send them to your home.
I will state this over and over again. We ARE willing to take in people that want to come into the US IF they will enter legally and follow the protocol to BECOME citizens of the US.
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Very well written! You captured the essence of what I believe.

Especially your last sentence, that sums up the reality of this mess...If our government doesn't wake up and stop the illegal invasion, our country will slowly slide into an economic disaster. It already might be too late. How many thousands of people suddenly on the welfare rolls, does it take, to crash our economy? I fear we will learn this the hard way.
 
Pretty apt thread title.

Immigrants are flooding into the U.S.

going into Christmas weekend, the federal government has released the November border numbers. CBP reports 233,740 migrant encounters, the highest November ever recorded, and a large increase over last November (174,845)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/b...pc=U531&cvid=a371d842a9d846548b67a8a8e982ddaf


Sneaks out the numbers seems about right since it is when focus is on the Christmas weekend.

I wonder how the loss of so many citizens in the countries being vacated impacts the economy in those countries?:unsure:
 

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