Can anyone assess the similarity of prose sufficiently well to figure out plagiarism?

grahamg

Old codger
I've got a few examples of statements where I believe the author is the same person, even though two different people have put their names to them.

Is it possible to find anyone who can definitively say if they're both by the same author, (due to grammatical errors being the same etc?)?
 

Having proof of earliest signed entry is a start
I haven't spelled out the issue very clearly here unfortunately. The statements are not the same, just similar enough in phraseology and grammatical errors to make me think they were both written by the same person.

I'll come back with some examples to make my argument a little more understandable. I accept though, two statements containing the same grammatical errors isn't enough to prove they had the same author, just provide an indication they could have, (unless some expert can make a bolder statement).
 
Remember that plagiarism is the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own. Quoting, even quoting without giving the author, isn't plagiarism. Claiming someone else's thoughts, words and ideas, as your own, that's plagiarism.

I do wish that plagiarism was easier to spell. At school, my English teacher would underline my misspelling of the word, often with the expression, written in red ink for emphasis, "See me!" Oh sh*t!"
 
I've got a few examples of statements where I believe the author is the same person, even though two different people have put their names to them.

Is it possible to find anyone who can definitively say if they're both by the same author, (due to grammatical errors being the same etc?)?
It is a skill that usually requires a computer. Universities have software that analyses assignments for plagiarism and copying the work of other students.

As for determining whether two posters are the same person I would reckon that is a hunch that could only be verified by keeping a close eye on the posts.

Life's short. It is really worth that much effort?
 
It is a skill that usually requires a computer. Universities have software that analyses assignments for plagiarism and copying the work of other students.
As for determining whether two posters are the same person I would reckon that is a hunch that could only be verified by keeping a close eye on the posts.
Life's short. It is really worth that much effort?
Its not to do with anyone posting on a forum, as you will perhaps guess by the following examples, (there are more such grammatical errors, and as said previously similarities in phraseology):

Statement 1
my wife and me explaining in detail the terms of our ****. It does not refer to any agreement between my wife and me whereby we could not,,…

My **** helped keep house and cook, shop and clean for both **** and me


Statement 2
“as a family, meaning my siblings and me,…..”
 
Remember that plagiarism is the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own. Quoting, even quoting without giving the author, isn't plagiarism. Claiming someone else's thoughts, words and ideas, as your own, that's plagiarism.
I do wish that plagiarism was easier to spell. At school, my English teacher would underline my misspelling of the word, often with the expression, written in red ink for emphasis, "See me!" Oh sh*t!"
I shouldn't have used the word "plagiarism" in the thread title as I've since tried to acknowledge, but couldn't think of a better word to explain someone drafting two statements and getting someone else to sign one of them as though they were their own thoughts, (what would you call that, a "cock and bull story" if both were equally inaccurate I suppose, or "speaking for someone else" albeit non-verbally?).

Moving on I've spent more time examining the statements I've quoted from above, (in fact there are three statements signed by these two people each).

I've tried to look at whether they introduce issues in their statements in the same order, and whether they are saying the same things, even before similar or the same grammatical errors and phraseology is considered.

They are saying the same things, very much so, signed at the same time in two of the three statements, and the third ones two months apart. Now I know if two people witness the same event then you would expect or desire to see consistency wouldn't you, but if some of the events being described were not witnessed by either, (hence both relying on hearsay), or one of the two didn't witness the event being described, then this is a different matter.

I do think a bit of assistance, probably from a professional of some kind, (maybe a police officer, as they have to assess statements all the time dont they, ...., I do know a few retired officers who might be willing to give me a few pointers).
 
Remember that plagiarism is the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own. Quoting, even quoting without giving the author, isn't plagiarism. Claiming someone else's thoughts, words and ideas, as your own, that's plagiarism.

I do wish that plagiarism was easier to spell. At school, my English teacher would underline my misspelling of the word, often with the expression, written in red ink for emphasis, "See me!" Oh sh*t!"
My first Spanish paper in college--- prof wrote on top in Big Red Ink----PLAGIARISMO!
 
My first Spanish paper in college--- prof wrote on top in Big Red Ink----PLAGIARISMO!
Good'n

Rather off topic but my english prof praised my plagiarized effort

I thought Ian Fleming did such a great job
I mean his was better than what I could come up within the 5 minutes I had left before class started

'You only live twice:
Once when you are born

And once when you look death in the face'
Right about here I added a rhymey thing of my own (for volume)

He asked me to stay after and talk about it
Asked what happened after the wonderful prose of the first three lines

Told him I lost my train of thought

He bought it
Happily he never read any Bond novels
 
If I keep posting examples of similarly poor grammar, similar phraseology in the two sets of statements, will this help anyone assist me?

Where there is the same or a similar ordering of the comments made I imagine this indicates a likelihood they were written by the same person, and I'm focusing in particular on those comments made where the event described was not witnessed by one or other of them. Then there is the rider included in each statement that "they agree with or wish to verify the account given in the other persons statement"!
 
A bit of research on the thread topic:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zgd6p39/revision/2

"A comparison of two texts should focus on HOW the writer’s methods are similar and/or different. For example, you could focus on a writer’s use of:

tone, eg humorous, serious, satirical

language, eg word choice, literary techniques, rhetorical devices

structure, eg order of ideas, repetition, sentence structure"

Examine the similarities and differences between the two texts.

Similarities

Purpose - are both informing and entertaining the reader?

They are both about a similar topic?

Do both use a technical terms?

Do both use dramatic, emotive language?
 
Last edited:
I've been working on the two statements I've come to think had the same author, and the number of similarities has convinced me, and I suspect will convince others, (but I'd like to be sure before pushing the boat out!). :)
 


Back
Top