Why do living things need to kill and eat other living things to keep on living?

oldaunt said:
Vegetables are living matter too. They just don't scream when you stick them.
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That's why the Jains don't eat root vegetables --the silent screaming when you pull out the whole plant and the death of the plant that results.
David777 said:
My college logic professor would laugh at the way the OP unscientifically, tersely, awkwardly, posed the thread.

All Earth multicellular animal life consumes organic matter nutrients that had previously been alive. Plants, and various unicellular life creates that organic matter from non-organic materials through chemical processes especially photosynthesis.

A more direct question would be the ethics of we out of control, overpopulated, Earth monkeys with economic wealth goals, selling an out of balance range of animal products for food that are destroying the planet. Products most people viscerally enjoy so much they hardly consider the negative effects both to other life on the planet and health of their own bodies. Out of balance nutrition levels alien to how we evolved thus creating many health problems. Global industrial level animal farming that few consumers in this era ever have to actually dispatch and clean themselves versus our ancestors. Thus removing the inherent moral negatives from consumers awareness.

Why I still occasionally catch, kill, clean, and cook fish despite greatly disliking having to kill them because that gives me at least a modest level of awareness in balance of what I am really doing as an entity that requires nutrients.
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Yes. I lean toward vegetarianism but still eat fish because it's the one animal I can picture myself killing.

My son is a vegetarian<vegan and although he's never tried to push it on me, I still sometimes watch the vegetarian YouTube videos I find on this computer history. So I'm uncomfortably aware of mother cows crying for their calves that have been taken away immediately after birth so their milk can be given to us, the chickens stacked up in cages living their whole lives without freedom, the little pigs crushed under their mothers for lack of space.

As a Christian I believe that we were given dominion over the animals but that we are charged with good animal husbandry -- and we aren't doing that.

Just from a selfish point of view we should be aware that raising cattle causes more damage to the ozone layer than all the cars on the earth and they eat the grain that could be feeding the starving nations.

I'm going to try to do better this year -- right after I eat my New Year's pork and sauerkraut.:rolleyes:
 
I JaniceM said:
I I'm doubting this remark was directed to only one individual person

What's the matter? Feeling the heat? :giggle:
 
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Farrah Nuff said:
If you live and enjoy a vegetarian lifestyle, great but this thread isn’t
directed towards you. Creatures eating other creatures is a system
that works, no doubt about that but it does seem a bit harsh at times,
when I’ve nothing better to do than to consider idle things. What do
you think? Big fish eats the little fish. Lions eat lambs. People eat
everything. Was this a purposeful plan or does it even bear consi
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Well now, you have a real limited view of life! Plants eat creatures also, many examples but the Venus Flytrap comes to mind. And of course, plants and mushrooms/ fungi are living organisms also and you seem to think eating them is ok, right. Logically, this is flawed. Anyone with an understanding for biological science would understand this.... move on please! Goofy discussion...
 
Opinions on this thread by some are considerably affected by a lack of biological, physics, chemistry, science level, understanding of the nature of the broad range of Earth DNA based living organic life. Am certain an overwhelming majority of those few in our society with such an education and knowledge would have no issues with humans consuming reasonable levels of any plants or lower evolved animals. Issues arise when we planet overpopulated Earth monkeys consume so much that such negatively impacts the fragile life and planetary balances as has become evident during my own lifetime. Or arrogantly consume mammal and other species with more evolved nervous systems and brains as is the situation today with massive destructive economic driven corporate animal farming across the planet.

The above noted, within a century if we humans manage to not destroy it all, it is likely DNA and biological sciences will develop massive in vitro meat production from fish to beef type tissues, thus eliminating current live creature processes. In like ways, drugs will no longer be produced in test tubes but rather grown directly from DNA engineered plants and trees. This IMO was the source of the Old Testament Bible Genesis Garden of Eden narrative given to Moses but later incorrectly interpretted by the religions. Such an advanced race of intelligent entities visiting our planet would have established such gardens for a list of valid science reasons both for Earth life research and their own possible biological use. That is probably why Adam and his descendents as "enhanced humans" probably were able to live for many centuries till the days of Noah when their DNA became diffused.
 
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Timewise 60+ said:
Well now, you have a real limited view of life! Plants eat creatures also, many examples but the Venus Flytrap comes to mind. And of course, plants and mushrooms/ fungi are living organisms also and you seem to think eating them is ok, right. Logically, this is flawed. Anyone with an understanding for biological science would understand this.... move on please! Goofy discussion...
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Methinks your time would be better spent then, enjoying other threads. Pretend I’m an apple and bite me. Also don’t pretend to know ANYTHING about my views of life, nor anything else for that matter.
 
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David777 said:
Opinions on this thread by some are considerably affected by a lack of biological, physics, chemistry, science level, understanding of the nature of the broad range of Earth DNA based living organic life. Am certain an overwhelming majority of those few in our society with such an education and knowledge would have no issues with humans consuming reasonable levels of any plants or lower evolved animals. Issues arise when we planet overpopulated Earth monkeys consume so much that such negatively impacts the fragile life and planetary balances as has become evident during my own lifetime. Or arrogantly consume mammal and other species with more evolved nervous systems and brains as is the situation today with massive destructive economic driven corporate animal farming across the planet.

The above noted, within a century if we humans manage to not destroy it all, it is likely DNA and biological sciences will develop massive in vitro meat production from fish to beef type tissues, thus eliminating current live creature processes. In like ways, drugs will no longer be produced in test tubes but rather grown directly from DNA engineered plants and trees. This IMO was the source of the Old Testament Bible Genesis Garden of Eden narrative given to Moses but later incorrectly interpretted by the religions. Such an advanced race of intelligent entities visiting our planet would have established such gardens for a list of valid science reasons both for Earth life research and their own possible biological use. That is probably why Adam and his descendents as "enhanced humans" probably were able to live for many centuries till the days of Noah when their DNA became diffused.
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Pish posh, earth monkey 🙉
 
Pepper said:
You're not bursting my bubble......Thank you for correcting my mistake if indeed you did, IDK.
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I think that for the most part, you are right, and animals do not eat their own babies, or others of their species. Most of the creatures that do that are probably ones like fish, who do not have an actual maternal instinct, and often birth large amounts of offspring at one time. By catching and eating the slow or sick ones, the other ones have a better chance at life.

As for cats eating their newborns, that is also part of the maternal instinct to keep the strongest and healthiest kits alive, and the ones that they kill are the weaklings who are not nursing and would die anyway.

I remember being told back in school that the Chinese would keep boy offspring and get rid of the girls, to keep the population balanced. They didn’t eat the babies, but they would not let them live either.


As far as eating animals, I am becoming more and more of a vegetarian, the older I get, and if I had to kill and clean animals for food, I would not eat them at all.
The Bible says that at first, mankind ate vegetarian food , so it seems to me that our bodies can operate fine with no animal food, as long as we choose wisely and eat whole , natural foods and not junk food.
 

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