Breaking News... That Chinese Spy Balloon. Thoughts?

CallMeKate

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Any thoughts on the balloon the U.S. is now tracking over the mainland? And the prediction I've heard of war with China by 2025... possible, or blowing smoke? Have things like this always been "flying over" and this one has made the breaking headlines for some reason? Educate me... I love learning things but I know little about this topic.
 

As an aside the only deaths on the US mainland inflicted by the Japanese in WWII were the result of balloon attack. Five were killed in Oregon, very close to where @Gary O' lives.

In 1945, a Japanese Balloon Bomb Killed Six Americans, Five of Them Children, in Oregon​

The military kept the true story of their deaths, the only civilians to die at enemy hands on the U.S. mainland, under wraps

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...americansfive-them-children-oregon-180972259/
 

As an aside the only deaths on the US mainland inflicted by the Japanese in WWII were the result of balloon attack. Five were killed in Oregon, very close to where @Gary O' lives.
A balloon attack would have never entered my mind (probably because I didn't realize it was possible.) This would just be for "spying" right? I'm sure more will be coming out about it soon... I saw it breaking on all the major news outlets without *any* of them trying to spin or delay reporting until they could spin, so figured it was something unusual or "big." @Alligatorob
 
A balloon attack would have never entered my mind (probably because I didn't realize it was possible.)
The Japanese launched a bunch of balloons with incendiaries, the idea was to start forest fires on the west coast. The balloons were sent from Japan and carried over the Pacific on prevailing winds. They did manage to start a few fires, nothing awful. Only the one detonated near people. https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5374039.pdf

DOD kept it secret for a long time, did not want to panic the public.

So, yes it is possible. And might be hard to trace...
 
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I just saw the report on World News Tonight. Of course their reporting is sometimes abbreviated but the reporter said the U.S. military brass is hesitant to shoot it down due to a concern that it could injure civilians. The smoke and mirrors may be that military officials are saying there's no threat to our intelligence and that extra steps are being taken to protect sensitive information. Now my question is...why wait until something like this happens to take those steps? Shouldn't they have been in place all along? Another thing I found interesting is that the balloon has been there for a few days already but the public is just being made aware.
 
I just saw the report on World News Tonight. Of course their reporting is sometimes abbreviated but the reporter said the U.S. military brass is hesitant to shoot it down due to a concern that it could injure civilians. The smoke and mirrors may be that military officials are saying there's no threat to our intelligence and that extra steps are being taken to protect sensitive information. Now my question is...why wait until something like this happens to take those steps? Shouldn't they have been in place all along? Another thing I found interesting is that the balloon has been there for a few days already but the public is just being made aware.
I'm sure there's a lot we haven't heard... and maybe won't until (if) someone leaks it. It's like all of a sudden last night, all the news outlets scrambled to "break" it... there's obviously a lot we're not hearing like why they automatically "know" it's from China and not someplace like Russia? (There might be an obvious and simple answer to that?)
 
I'm sure there's a lot we haven't heard... and maybe won't until (if) someone leaks it. It's like all of a sudden last night, all the news outlets scrambled to "break" it... there's obviously a lot we're not hearing like why they automatically "know" it's from China and not someplace like Russia? (There might be an obvious and simple answer to that?)
They know where it came from, they've been tracking it. I wonder if anything is going on diplomatically?

Scares the heck out of me. Big Act of Aggression. I worry for my grandson's life. I worry.
 
Scares the heck out of me. Big Act of Aggression. I worry for my grandson's life. I worry.
I'm sorry you're worried about your grandson... sometimes worry is a good weapon to keep us prepared. I get so annoyed at people who say "Bah, nothing to worry about..." because the world has gotten hellishly frightening on a LOT of levels and yes, there ARE things to worry about if those people would poke their head out of lala land once in a while, they'd see it. @Pepper
 
Bring it down. No, not shoot it down. Bring it down and figure out how the Chinese makes lighter-than-air surveillance work successfully and the U.S. fails so miserably at it.

Heck, U.S. has been overflying countries for decades. Often without permission. What goes around, comes around. Our turn in the barrel.
 
From Bloomberg...



Details on the exact capabilities of this particular balloon are unclear, with a US official who briefed reporters Thursday declining to answer several questions about its size or specifications. American officials have asserted that the balloon has a limited ability to collect meaningful intelligence data, beyond what the Chinese can already gather through their satellite network. The North American Aerospace Defense Command, or Norad, said Thursday it “continues to track and monitor it closely,” while Canada’s defense department said it was tracking a “potential second incident,” without elaborating.

Why has China sent the balloon up now?


The Chinese have for decades complained about US surveillance by ships and spy planes near its own territory, leading to occasional confrontation over the years. And instances of Chinese balloon activity near American territory have been observed prior to Thursday’s announcement, US officials said. But it’s unclear why the balloon is flying over the US at this moment. The revelation comes just days before US Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s expected visit to Beijing and risks undermining Beijing’s diplomatic efforts to create a constructive backdrop for the first US secretary of state visit to China since Michael Pompeo’s trip in 2018. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Mao Ning said Friday that Beijing was “gathering and verifying the facts” and hoped “the relevant parties will handle the matter in a cool-headed way.”

Why hasn’t the Pentagon shot the balloon down?
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin advised President Joe Biden against shooting the balloon down because of the possible risk of falling debris. While authorities were contemplating the option when the balloon was floating over sparsely populated areas of Montana, it was assessed that the “sizeable” object was large enough to cause potential damage. It’s floating well above the altitude used by civilian aircraft, so is unlikely to pose any immediate danger to the public.

. How has the US responded?
The senior official said the US had raised the balloon issue with China, and the Wall Street Journal reported that the State Department had summoned the Chinese charge d’affaires. It wasn’t immediate clear if the incident would affect Blinken’s planned trip to China. The Biden administration also briefed staff for the “Gang of Eight,” a group including the chairs and ranking members of the House and Senate intelligence committees, another official said. Republicans, meanwhile, are pushing Biden for a stronger response, with House Speaker Kevin McCarthy calling the incursion a “brazen disregard for US sovereignty.”
 
How to bring it down without shooting it down? Therein lies the delima. Dunno, Kate. Sounds like a challenge for the fledgling USSF (United States Space Force). Apparently it is drifting at an altitude qualifying it as a spacecraft.

Iraq has been able to take control of U.S. UAV/drones with success. Overriding and capturing the control apparatus of the Chinese device to bring it down successfully seems within our capability as well?

Which begs the question, just how far up into the atmosphere does a nation's sovereignty extend?
 
AhHa. The errant weather balloon. Of course. I think I've heard that one a few times before. Nothing nefarious there, right?
Oh, and now Canada is reporting a possible too?
More and more is coming out this morning as it usually does. It's flown over the Pentagon... and has been here for days... and we all heard about it just last night? SMH. :cautious:
 
There have been a number of reports in the last few months about China buying farm land in America near military bases. The most prominent report was in N. Dakota, I believe. Is there a connection?

I don't think China is fooling around with a weather balloon. It seems much more likely that it is spying on something, perhaps a new military system being developed at an out of the way spot in a less populated state? Just a guess.

Radio news reported that this balloon is the size of 3 greyhound buses but there is a lot of unpopulated area along the Montana/Canadian Border where it seems it could have been brought down. After being hit with a nice missile the pieces would be smaller. I also heard it was first spotted in Alaska so why did they wait so long?
 
Being curious too I wonder why the satellites that are part of the defense system didn't pick the balloon up while it was tracking towards mainland America. Wanting to prevent damage if it were to be shot down in a populated area sounds good but IMO it's more about salvaging the equipment the balloon is carrying.

Limiting the ability to gather useful info when the defense system didn't detect it seems to me to be a CYA statement.
 

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