Raddragn
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Not even remotely relevant!
Are you more wary of vaccines going forward?
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Alizerine
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I believe it was to save lives.
And it did that well. I know someone who died from Covid early on before he could get the vaccine. Some people just think that if they repeat a false statement often enough, it becomes true. I never heard anyone say it was 100% or that it would stop the spread, they may have said it would lessen the chances of spreading it, but never to stop the spread.
When people are looking for something to be angry about, they often invent things.
Yes, much like when people want to sell a useless product.
Purwell
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- North Herts (UK)
It has not gone away and probably never will.
SeniorBen
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The omicron variant mortality rate is now comparable to the flu. I don't want to get sick with the flu, either, so I'll keep my vaccinations up to date for both and continue to wear a mask when I'm around people.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...covid-is-some-say-its-now-less-risky-than-flu
https://www.npr.org/sections/health...covid-is-some-say-its-now-less-risky-than-flu
jimintoronto
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Correction. It is STILL deadly. Do a goggle on " deaths in the USA in January of 2023 caused by Covid 19 , " and see what facts come up. In Canada we are still seeing people dying from Covid, as well as the traditional influenza. My wife and I are fully vaccinated and boosted, but we both tested positive in January of this year. Our symptoms were MILD, and within 9 days, we both tested negative. She is 79 and I am 76. JimB.
Wigglestein
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- Wisconsin
We stopped getting the vaxxes after the third one. The second triggered my MS a bit and the third a LOT! My walking has never fully returned. Rehab doc says her office partner, who treat primarily arthritis patients, said his waiting room filled up every time a new shot came out! Hubs had a giant subdural hematoma, bleeding between the brain and skull that required emergency surgery a few weeks after the third shot. No more shots in this house!!
If they were facts, it would be meaningful.
That's the predictable result from marketing the vaccine to those with preexisting conditions.
Muskrat
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- Mainly arizona
If we have another pandemic with another virus with another high mortality rate…yes I will take another vaccine. weighing my personal odds of having bad outcome has driven my healthcare decisions always. I am vaccinated for covid. Not the flu. My personal choice….do not need any help making that decision.
Alligatorob
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The fact is all the well documented databased studies I can find continue to show a higher death rate for unvaccinated people than vaccinated. Have you been able to find reliable evidence to the contrary?
The most recent CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report says the unvaccinated are 14 times more likely to die of Covid than than vaccinated. The death rate is fortunately low for both. There are many other good data based studies I have found that support this conclusion, but none that don't.
COVID-19 Incidence and Mortality Among Unvaccinated and Vaccinated Persons Aged ≥12 Years by Receipt of Bivalent Booster Doses and Time Since Vaccination
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7206a3.htm?s_cid=mm7206a3_x
No, but I will consider what data shows us about their value. I get most vaccines, not just Covid.
Wigglestein
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- Wisconsin
Yes...proof positive that I do learn everything the hard way. My PCP told me on my last visit that we are having a hard time getting thru the many changes in the virus because its man made! Interesting admission from an experienced doctor!
"Well documented, databased studies." How factual they are depends on who is funding them:
https://www.minnpost.com/second-opi...ing-raise-questions-about-some-its-decisions/
Many people in and out of the medical community were shocked to read in an article published earlier this year in the medical journal the BMJ that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) takes funding from industry.
As Jeanne Lenzer, an independent reporter and associate editor at the BMJ, pointed out in that article, pharmaceutical and other types of companies can — and do — fund CDC projects by giving money to the CDC Foundation, a nonprofit organization created by Congress in the mid-1990s to “connect CDC to the private sector to advance public health.”
And that has raised some serious conflict-of-interest concerns.
For example, to help pay for its new “Take 3” flu-prevention campaign, the CDC, via its foundation, accepted a $193,000 donation from Roche, the company that makes the antiviral drug Tamiflu, Lenzer reported last February.
Many people in and out of the medical community were shocked to read in an article published earlier this year in the medical journal the BMJ that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) takes funding from industry.
As Jeanne Lenzer, an independent reporter and associate editor at the BMJ, pointed out in that article, pharmaceutical and other types of companies can — and do — fund CDC projects by giving money to the CDC Foundation, a nonprofit organization created by Congress in the mid-1990s to “connect CDC to the private sector to advance public health.”
And that has raised some serious conflict-of-interest concerns.
For example, to help pay for its new “Take 3” flu-prevention campaign, the CDC, via its foundation, accepted a $193,000 donation from Roche, the company that makes the antiviral drug Tamiflu, Lenzer reported last February.
One of the central tenets of the “Take 3” campaign is the recommendation that people take an antiviral drug like Tamiflu if they develop symptoms of the flu.
That advice, however, is highly controversial. Indeed, another government agency, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), says that the clinical trial data it has reviewed does not support the claim that Tamiflu saves lives or reduces hospitalizations, including among the elderly.
Additional conflicts
Earlier this month, Lenzer wrote again for the BMJ on CDC’s industry funding. In that article, she offers two additional examples of how controversial decisions recently made by the CDC are associated with that funding.One involves the CDC’s recommendation that everyone born between 1945 and 1965 be screened for the hepatitis C virus.
As Lenzer details in her article, the science behind such widespread screening has been challenged. She also describes how industry’s connections with the CDC raise questions about why that screening recommendation was made:
The American epidemiologist who is leading the CDC studies insists a solid “firewall” exists between the funders and the researchers. But others are not so sure.
“Critics say the fact that research is being funded by the men’s employers raises concerns about how far it will probe industry’s role in the disease outbreak,” writes Lenzer.
A threatened reputation
In an e-mail response to Lenzer, the CDC’s director, Dr. Tom Frieden, indicated he was not concerned about industry’s ties with his agency.“Public-private partnerships allow CDC to do more, faster,” he wrote. “The agency’s core values of accountability, respect, and integrity guide the way CDC spends the funds entrusted to it. When possible conflicts of interests arise, we take a hard, close look to ensure that proper policies and guidelines are followed before accepting outside donations.”
But many others in the health community believe those corporate ties are undermining the authority of the hugely influential public health agency.
“The CDC has enormous credibility among physicians, in no small part because the agency is generally thought to be free of industry bias,” Dr. Marcia Angell, a senior lecturer at Harvard Medical School’s Department of Global Health and Social Medicine and a former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, told Lenzer. “Financial dealings with biopharmaceutical companies threaten that reputation.”
Dr. Neil Calman, president and chief executive of the Institute of Family Health, a large New York-based community health center network, agrees.
“Industry funding undermines trust and introduces a bias in the presentation of results and treatment recommendations that is deplorable for a government agency,” he said. “If the allegations of industry funding and influence are true, we will have to look very carefully at recommendations we are following now and those made in the future by the CDC.”
Raddragn
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One has to wonder why you work so hard at trying to discredit Covid information. You don't want it? Don't take it. It's almost like deep down you doubt the validity of your rejection and are desperately maneuvering to justify your actions (or someone elses).
ElCastor
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- Northern CA
If a vaccine is available, I get it, and have never had reason to regret it. I frankly cannot understand, or swallow, all the fear and hatred of vaccines that I read in these pages.
ROFLOL! It doesn't take hard work to discredit what has already been discredited. It just takes a desire for the truth & an open mind.
Why don't you have any comment on the information?
No one hates vaccines. People hate being lied to.
Rose65
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- United Kingdom
I had all the covid vaccines but the latest one, Moderna, made me very unwell for weeks. I don't know if I could risk having that again.
Raddragn
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- Washington State
I've had Moderna every time - x 4 - and had no side effects - not even a sore arm!
Diversion & Avoidance speak volumes.
Muskrat
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- Mainly arizona
I would really question a doctor who told me a virus was “man made”. He would spend a lot of time explaining how he knew this….when multiple agencies have been unable to prove this. Is he talking in generalized terms??? By the blanketing of logic we can state that we create “superbugs “ all the time with overuse and mis-use of medications. Viruses mutate to serve their biological need to survive. Or is he implying ..again…that there is a lab somewhere cranking out these mutations at huge cost to their own society.?? That is pretty darn stupid.
I've had both Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, with no bad side effects.