This gives me the Yeebee-Jeebees

When I look at houses for sale, either in the newspaper or on HGTV, it’s more common to see the toilet lid is up.
 

I really liked the separate toilet/bathroom facilities in Australian houses when I lived there. Makes a lot of sense to me! Also like their toilet design .. no clogging, and powerful flush action.
 
Whenever one of my wife's relatives knocks on the front door....YIKES RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!
 

OneEyedDiva said:
If you notice I referred to flushable toilets with lids...not holes in the ground! Which Muslims? The ones I know and took Islamic classes with. My husband and I visited several masjids (mosques) In the eastern part of the US. I've never been to a "Muslim country" abroad. Is Muslim country even the right terminology? Are there countries where ONLY muslims reside?
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So your comment is confined only to the few Muslims you took classes with. That puts a new light on it and makes more sense.
Yes a country where 99,9% of the people who reside there are Muslims is called a Muslim country :)
 
Basic flushable toilets were invented in the UK in the late 1500s. Only royalty and aristocrats had lids. But basically, since there was no suitable plumbing to accompany these toilets, they were simply a hole in a piece of furniture!
 
Even before I was taught, as a Muslim, that we should close the lids I had started doing it anyway. When my friend still lived at her parent's house in a cute little town of upper middle class people...no ghetto in sight, she had quite a scare. One day a few decades ago, utility workers were digging up part of her street. She heard a plop and a bump. Turns out a rat, who must've been disturbed by the road work, found its way into the system and came out through their toilet. She was there with her dad who was also afraid of rats; she had to call her brother to come catch it. After hearing that story I made sure to close the lid. I put up a sign to please close the lid before flushing over the toilet for guests (my son had a lot of people young men coming in for studio time back then). It's surprising how many people don't do it.
 
Jamala said:
So your comment is confined only to the few Muslims you took classes with. That puts a new light on it and makes more sense.
Yes a country where 99,9% of the people who reside there are Muslims is called a Muslim country :)
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No...my comment includes the several hundred Muslims we've fellowshipped with over the years at the various masjids and Islamic events in several locations (including out of state). Anytime their restrooms had toilets with lids, I've always found that they were already down when I entered the stall. That is not the case with most other public restrooms with lids. What countries are currently 99.9% occupied by Muslims? And has that percentage been pretty much consistent over the past several decades?
 
SeaBreeze said:
Yeah, we always close the lid. I hate to use a public restroom that has the toilets with no lid. The ones that flush on their own by surprise are extra gross. (n)
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I hate those with a passion! First thing I do is cover the sensor with toilet paper. I can't stand feeling the public toilet water spray up into my nether regions. Especially knowing that water has God only knows what kind of germs in it. :sick:
 
Jules said:
When I look at houses for sale, either in the newspaper or on HGTV, it’s more common to see the toilet lid is up.
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I'd turn the page or change the channel. :D

I've just always been uncomfortable with walking in on gaping johns. The lids were closed between use in the homes I grew up in; my parents' and grandparents' homes. Years later it was discussed during the Standards of Health and Sanitation class at nursing school, and later still in classes I went to to get my group home administrator's license. Probably because it's a state standard or regulation....or, it was, back in the 80s.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
No...my comment includes the several hundred Muslims we've fellowshipped with over the years at the various masjids and Islamic events in several locations (including out of state). Anytime their restrooms had toilets with lids, I've always found that they were already down when I entered the stall. That is not the case with most other public restrooms with lids. What countries are currently 99.9% occupied by Muslims? And has that percentage been pretty much consistent over the past several decades?
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Well you will have to research that yourself as it is too time consuming :)However, I can tell you about Egypt… over 92% identify as Sunni Muslims … my husband being one of them.

Christians number less than 8% and there are only around 100 Jews living there as far as I am aware.
 
Jamala said:
Well you will have to research that yourself as it is too time consuming :)However, I can tell you about Egypt… over 92% identify as Sunni Muslims … my husband being one of them.

Christians number less than 8% and there are only around 100 Jews living there as far as I am aware.
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You could probly start your own thread about that.
 
Remember how many motel rooms back in the day would put bands on the toilet seat bearing the legend, “Sanitized for your protection?” Funny thing was that some of the bands were attached to seats without lids, so poop spray would readily be aerosolized afterwards…🙀

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Medieval castles in Europe were fitted with private toilets known as ‘garderobes’ (example pictured above), typically featuring stone seats above tall holes draining into moats.

In 1775, the Scottish inventor Alexander Cumming was granted the first patent for the design of a flushing toilet. Although the Romans were known for their innovation in sanitation, which included public toilets and the sewage system (though this apparently did not improve public health ), these facilities vanished from Middle Age sanitation practices. Instead, human waste was disposed in quite an unhealthy manner.

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Another word derived from this practice is ‘cheerio’. During the Middle Ages, the more well-to-do members of society would inhabit the ground floors of the high rise buildings. When they went out, they would often be carried on special chairs by their servants. In order to avoid accidents involving the emptying of chamber pots from higher floors, the servants would should ‘Chair below’, as they threw the waste out of the window or door..warning people to get out of the way , which eventually became ‘cheerio''...or the French gardez l'eau.. which became Gardy Loo in the UK.. and eventually gave rise to the Simple.. ''Loo'' meaning toilet...


In Great Britain, things began to change during the 18th century, when the flushing toilet was invented. It was, however, only during the late 19th century that they became common. Two factors contributed to this. The first being the realization that poor sanitation caused diseases, prompting the British government to declare in 1848 that every new house was required to have either a flushing toilet or an ash-tray privy (a toilet with a pile of ash underneath it)

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Inside the early 18th century privy from Townsend House, Leominster, showing the 3-seat earth closet. Preserved in the Avoncroft Museum of Historic Buildings,
 
The credit for inventing the flush toilet in England goes to Sir John Harrington, godson of Elizabeth I, who invented a water closet with a raised cistern and a small downpipe through which water ran to flush the waste in 1592.
 
Victoria said:
I hate those with a passion! First thing I do is cover the sensor with toilet paper. I can't stand feeling the public toilet water spray up into my nether regions. Especially knowing that water has God only knows what kind of germs in it. :sick:
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And if something accidentally falls into the toilet, like your glasses, you can kiss them goodbye.
 
SeaBreeze said:
And if something accidentally falls into the toilet, like your glasses, you can kiss them goodbye.
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Exactly! Anything that falls into a public toilet is as good as gone because I'm not reaching in there to get it and even if someone got it for me, I'm not using it anymore. Things have too many small cracks and crevices where germs can hide and lurk even after washing it. :sick: Nope. I'd rather just get a new one.
 
Regarding public toilets, I'll admit to dropping a major stinking deuce and flushing while on the toilet. Simply because you walk into a toilet and get greeted by a stench that would make a yak gag. Well, it's not a fun experience.

Yes, I'd do it also at home. Even though I'm single, guests can come and I don't need people gasping for air.....
 
Jamala said:
Well you will have to research that yourself as it is too time consuming :)However, I can tell you about Egypt… over 92% identify as Sunni Muslims … my husband being one of them.

Christians number less than 8% and there are only around 100 Jews living there as far as I am aware.
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"Well you will have to research that yourself as it is too time consuming." Exactly! Why do you think I wanted you to do it? :LOL: But getting back to closing the lid while flushing. You seemed to take exception to what I said about Muslims being taught to close the lid while flushing. As you know (at least I guess you know), when we make Ghusl or Wudu, we are supposed to be in the cleanest environment possible. Why wouldn't any Muslim who has a toilet with a lid not close it while flushing so as to avoid fecal and other nasty germs from getting into the space? It seems like a no brainer to me.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
"Well you will have to research that yourself as it is too time consuming." Exactly! Why do you think I wanted you to do it? :LOL: But getting back to closing the lid while flushing. You seemed to take exception to what I said about Muslims being taught to close the lid while flushing. As you know (at least I guess you know), when we make Ghusl or Wudu, we are supposed to be in the cleanest environment possible. Why wouldn't any Muslim who has a toilet with a lid not close it while flushing so as to avoid fecal and other nasty germs from getting into the space? It seems like a no brainer to me.
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Of course if a toilet has a lid...closing it for any reason is common hygiene...
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Your teacher in the US attaches too many frills with regard to Wudu.
Wudu can be performed anywhere. Of course, a clean environment is always a good idea…but not essential.
One can perform Wudu in the desert using only sand.
It is permissible to do Wudu without using water.
It is also permissible to do it in a toilet without a seat

 
Jamala said:
Of course if a toilet has a lid...closing it for any reason is common hygiene...
however..
Your teacher in the US attaches too many frills with regard to Wudu.
Wudu can be performed anywhere. Of course, a clean environment is always a good idea…but not essential.
One can perform Wudu in the desert using only sand.
It is permissible to do Wudu without using water.
It is also permissible to do it in a toilet without a seat

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Oh I know about that which you posted. Remember I stipulated when Muslims have access to a toilet with a lid. You keep throwing in these "howevers"....even the one about no toilets but holes in the ground. As my husband used to say "We're not talking about that right now". :LOL: The things I've mentioned are not confined to the teachings of one person. We have visited several different masjids, I've seen websites and videos that go into several facets of Islam and we attended lectures by several Imams, as well. I think we can agree that not all Muslims experience practicing the Islam exactly the same way. Nor do we experience being subject to the mores exactly the same way. The congregation of the masjid my husband frequented most often, mostly consisted of Turkish and Arab "brothers" that he formed close bonds with. He was a talker so talked with them frequently and related some of their stories.
 
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Bella said:
Yeah, airborne bacteria all over everything, that's not new. At home, I always close the lid before flushing. Toothbrushes are kept in the medicine cabinet and I don't leave things on the counter or sink.

Public toilets don't have lids to close and even if they did people wouldn't close them before flushing. Not to mention then they have to be lifted before you can do your business. Ick. I hate public restrooms, but sometimes you have no choice. I don't touch anything with bare hands in public restrooms. As far as flushing goes, I do my thing, open the door, and then I flush with my foot and get out as quickly as I can. You read that right, I flush with my foot! Pot-a-potties aren't a thrill either. I'd rather go behind a bush and have!
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In public bathrooms, I flush with my foot too... 😃
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Oh I know about that which you posted. Remember I stipulated when Muslims have access to a toilet with a lid. You keep throwing in these "howevers"....even the one about no toilets but holes in the ground. As my husband used to say "We're not talking about that right now". :LOL: The things I've mentioned are not confined to the teachings of one person. We have visited several different masjids, I've seen websites and videos that go into several facets of Islam and we attended lectures by several Imams, as well. I think we can agree that not all Muslims experience practicing the Islam exactly the same way. Nor do we experience being subject to the mores exactly the same way. The congregation of the masjid my husband frequented most often, mostly consisted of Turkish and Arab "brothers" that he formed close bonds with. He was a talker so talked with them frequently and related some of their stories.
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I can tell you Diva, the teaching of Islam is not about "relating stories" ...it is about knowledge handed down from generations of Muslims. My husband's lineage goes back 400 Years. What I am saying is not word of mouth, it is directly from the Hadith or Quran. Yes, I do know a tremendous amount about Islam.

Thirty six years ago I had a katb el katb (nikah) in Egypt…without converting to Islam. There is no need for Christian or Jewish women to convert to Islam if marrying a Muslim. I still practice as a Christian and had Christian ceremony in the UK. My husband did not need to convert either to Christianity.
All of this was done mainly to please grandparents on either side.
I speak Arabic (poorly) but I can read the Quran in Arabic. I know all the prayers and what they mean and go to the mosque when we visit Egypt. I love it all! I also go to my own Christian church whenever I feel like it.
Religion is no big deal in our household.

The reason for this blurb is to point out there are no hard and fast rules.
In your initial post (#57) you said and I quote “Muslims were taught since the invention of flushable toilets with lids to only flush with the lid down (and leave it down).” That is simply not true. If you had said….In my community in the US…that would not have annoyed me.
However. Another however (!) we have come to the end of this conversation (at last I have).
No need to proceed further IMO. Enjoy your day!
 
You don't know my cousin. He not only doesn't close the lid but even doesn't flush. Some years ago as he and his wife visited us for a week, this drove us mad.🤮 This summer he wants to visit us again...
 

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