Do you think there's a pro-Ukrainain bias in news of the War?

Pepper said:
...... I have no reasons to doubt Zelensky's reasoning that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Warily of course. Zelensky is using them, not joining them, and thinks he eventually will not need them anymore.
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I think that is a fair assessment, yes, "using not joining". But he is a puppet of the CIA so I honestly do not agree that "he eventually will not need them (Azov Nazis) anymore". It is MUCH more likely that Washington will keep him till Uki joins NATO and then the US will dispose of him ........ probably using his collaboration with the Nazis as the reason. LOL. You know how this works: We've seen how the CIA contrives a situation, such as in Cuba and Iran, and then acts as though they are the savior!
Pepper said:
I am very worried about the fate of Zelensky. He is an idealist in my view, and comes from a place of relative innocence when it comes to ugly things. I see him as someone who accidently became a great man.
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He's not a "great man". He's a clown, even less worthy than the Shah who was in the very same position as
Washington's favourite puppet of the day.
 

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Pepper said:
I have grief in my heart as I say this, but lately, in my mind, is a vision of Zelensky's head on a Russian pike. I so desperately want to be wrong.
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What is your affiliation with Zelensky? I don't like him at all. In any case, don't worry. He'll be whisked away to Florida to live in some mansion by the sea.
 
Verisure said:
What is your affiliation with Zelensky? I don't like him at all. In any case, don't worry. He'll be whisked away to Florida to live in some mansion by the sea.
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As I previously said, I think he is the real deal and given the choice would not move to Florida. We will wait and see what happens if we have the time left to be witnesses.
 
Pepper said:
My maternal Grandma fled Odessa when Ukraine was part of Russia. She considered herself Russian. The Ukrainians were Cossacks. She arrived here before 1905. She had once wanted to visit relatives in St. Petersberg, I think it was and was denied passage as Jews were not allowed to travel. She had to escape Odessa by waiting till the Cossack army was sleeping and she had to silently slouch & make her way under the legs of their horses. I can't retell this part as exciting as she did. She mostly walked, usually alone, to Hamburg to book passage here. She was 17. Sorry for the boring story, but I love to talk about her.
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Nothing boring about it, very interesting. Your grandmother must have been a brave and adventurous woman!
 
To answer the original question, yes. All news is biased in one way or other but most media is pro-Ukraine. It is natural to be on the side of the underdog fighting a bully. Much of the media is also pro-administration and will support anything they do.

As an individual I admire the spirit of the Ukrainian people. They are very brave and they are really suffering.

My concern is the amount of money being spent, amount of debt being racked up and drawdown of military supplies that we might need to defend our own interests. I’m also concerned about being drawn in further among other concerns.
 
Pepper said:
As I previously said, I think he is the real deal and given the choice would not move to Florida. We will wait and see what happens if we have the time left to be witnesses.
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Well! Seeing as you "have grief in your heart" then I won't criticize him more than I must and the criticism at hand might please you anyway. First, let me say that you're wishing for too much because I can almost guarantee you that he'll be shuttled off to Florida when the shit hits the fan. Second (and this might anger you or maybe make you happy) Zelinksy isn't a threat to anyone. He doesn't have the power or intelligence or political know-how to make much trouble on his own. It isn't about Ukraine vs. Russia. The war is about the US vs. Russia. The CIA gives Zelinksy a script and he has to read it out, pretending it's his own words. But this is good news for you. It means that there isn't anyone who wants to kill him or jail him. So relax. He'll be fine. You can trust me. (y)
 
Myrtle said:
To answer the original question, yes. All news is biased in one way or other but most media is pro-Ukraine. It is natural to be on the side of the underdog fighting a bully.
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It is natural for who "to be on the side of the underdog fighting a bully"? The Americans? No. That is to say, Washington usually spins the circumstances to make it seem they are on the side of the "underdog" but the truth is usually the opposite.
 
Verisure said:
It is natural for who "to be on the side of the underdog fighting a bully"? The Americans? No. That is to say, Washington usually spins the circumstances to make it seem they are on the side of the "underdog" but the truth is usually the opposite.
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Read it again. I was speaking of the media and I don't think much of them. Disagree if you want. That's my opinion.
 
Myrtle said:
Read it again. I was speaking of the media and I don't think much of them. Disagree if you want. That's my opinion.
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I agree but I disagree. Does that make any sense? I disagree with the media's portrayal of "the underdog" and as it's already been firmly established (I think you'll agree) that the media is controlled by that nasty word "politics". So, if you trust the media (read political line) about who's "the underdog fighting against the aggressor" then you have to agree and that's all there is to it. But when you realized that the media (read the political line again) is lying then they do not support the underdog at all. The opposite is true. So, do I agree with you or disagree with you? I'm not sure. 🤔
 
Verisure said:
What is your affiliation with Zelensky? I don't like him at all. In any case, don't worry. He'll be whisked away to Florida to live in some mansion by the sea.
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Verisure, you are apparently a Swede posting from Malmo. If so, your country supports Zelensky and has pledged to ship artillery canons to Ukraine. Does that mean Sweden is pro Nazi?
 
Before some of these newer members in this thread joined, the subject was discussed at length way back when the proxy war began February 2022. I posted several links those first couple months via Google news searching. By mid summer 2022 various Google non-USA links had disappeared. This is more about powerful neoconservatives and their military industrial complex solidly entrenched in both parties with attitudes the public is too stupid from their perspective to know what is good for them so outright manipulation and lying is embraced.

https://www.seniorforums.com/threads/this-is-why-ukraine-matters.69031/page-2#post-2024092

https://www.seniorforums.com/threads/russia-ukraine-and-the-u-s-europe.74345/#post-2216300

https://www.seniorforums.com/threads/this-is-why-ukraine-matters.69031/#post-2022265

For some balance, more on Nato issues that is Putin's main demand that US politicians avoid discussing and seem to want our media to ignore. Note again, I personally am ignorantly neutral, however I do not like the behavior of much news media in this era that goes well beyond the Ukraine issues. Am also no fan of Putin, nor US militarists.
 
I think most people are pulling for Ukraine. I think there will be a lot of disappointment when this war is over.
 
Putin's mouthpieces are threatening the UK ..again.. after we funded Long Range Missiles to Ukraine

Vladimir Putin's top TV propagandist has called for London to be 'turned to dust' after reports said Ukraine was 'prepared' to use British missiles to strike Crimea. The latest verbal tirade against the United Kingdom was featured on a nightly show on channel Russia 1, hosted by chief propagandist Vladimir Solovyov (pictured). One of Solovyov's 'analysts' directly quoted a report as writing 'give them hell' in regards to the possibility of the British government supplying Kyiv with Harpoon anti-ship missiles or surface-to-air Storm shadow missiles. Ukraine could use such weaponry to strike deep inside Russian-occupied Crimea, which would potentially be a major escalation in the conflict.

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ElCastor said:
Oh, the CIA did it? That is a serious charge. Please supply a link to PROOF that the CIA murdered Palme.
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Probable cause. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, flies like a duck, quacks like a duck, leaves footprints in the snow like a duck, and is the only one who benefits ......

Oh, and what happened to your question about "pro-Nazi"? Are you not going to challenge me?
 
hollydolly said:
Putin's mouthpieces are threatening the UK ..again.. after we funded Long Range Missiles to Ukraine

Vladimir Putin's top TV propagandist has called for London to be 'turned to dust' after reports said Ukraine was 'prepared' to use British missiles to strike Crimea. The latest verbal tirade against the United Kingdom was featured on a nightly show on channel Russia 1, hosted by chief propagandist Vladimir Solovyov (pictured). One of Solovyov's 'analysts' directly quoted a report as writing 'give them hell' in regards to the possibility of the British government supplying Kyiv with Harpoon anti-ship missiles or surface-to-air Storm shadow missiles. Ukraine could use such weaponry to strike deep inside Russian-occupied Crimea, which would potentially be a major escalation in the conflict.

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Hmmmmm, Putin hasn't taken off the gloves, but now he might. Shit gonna' hit da fan! đź’©
 
seadoug said:
Oh, but there are some news networks that are far from pro-Ukrainian and one of their hosts is being broadcast on Russian television. This is from Newsweek.

How Russia Is Using Tucker Carlson in its Propaganda​

BY PATRICIA MCKNIGHT ON 3/11/22 AT 10:11 PM EST

Clips of Fox News' Tucker Carlson have become a regular feature of Russian state TV, which portrays the television host as being pro-Russia and able to influence America's opinion of the war in Ukraine.

Carlson, a high-profile conservative commentator, is painted as America's voice of reason for questioning negative American attitudes to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

"Carlson has the most popular cable TV show in the US and his opinions influence how Americans vote," RT wrote in an article on February 23. RT is a Russian state controlled international network. Last month, RT aired a Carlson monologue in which he questioned why Americans should dislike Putin.

Although state-controlled polls FOM and WCIOM show a clear majority of Russians support the war in Ukraine, support is far from universal and protests against it have been suppressed. Half of respondents aged 18 to 44 gave a negative assessment of the invasion, according to a poll conducted by Russian Field.

Carlson, along with frequent guest retired Colonel Douglas Macgregor, has been featured multiple times on Kremlin TV.

Tucker Carlson Praised on Russian TV After Criticizing Zelensky's Clothes​

BY SIMONE CARTER ON 12/22/22 AT 1:43 PM EST

Tucker Carlson Amazed Zelensky 'Wasn't Thrown Out' Of Congress Over Outfit

Fox News host Tucker Carlson railed against Ukraine's president in a scathing segment on Wednesday, drawing condemnation from the left—and, apparently, adulation from the Russian media.

In a tweet on Thursday morning, BBC Monitoring journalist Francis Scarr called out Carlson over his recent remarks about Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. Carlson had insulted the way that Zelensky chose to dress when he visited the White House and delivered a congressional address on Wednesday.

"Fox News host Tucker Carlson is being showered with praise on Russian state TV today after he criticised of Zelensky's visit to Washington," Scarr tweeted. "So far I've heard him called 'wonderful' and 'delightful', and I'm only halfway through the show I'm watching."
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Yes, Carlson and gang on that network have been in the Putin camp since before the 2017 election.
 
Verisure said:
Probable cause. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, flies like a duck, quacks like a duck, leaves footprints in the snow like a duck, and is the only one who benefits ......
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I asked for proof, not not your duck nonsense, but I got the duck because you could not substantiate your unfounded claim that the CIA killed Palme.

I could go on, but why bother. PLONK!
 
Verisure said:
It is natural for who "to be on the side of the underdog fighting a bully"? The Americans? No. That is to say, Washington usually spins the circumstances to make it seem they are on the side of the "underdog" but the truth is usually the opposite.
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First I want to go on record as someone who doesn't know nearly as much about this part of the world as many of you here.

Verisure, I think it is natural for most people be on the side of an underdog but in this instance I was referring to the media, reporters, etc. Americans usually are too but when I say Americans I am referring to ordinary people, not our leaders. Don't get me started on our leaders. Does that help?
 
hollydolly said:
Putin's mouthpieces are threatening the UK ..again.. after we funded Long Range Missiles to Ukraine

Vladimir Putin's top TV propagandist has called for London to be 'turned to dust' after reports said Ukraine was 'prepared' to use British missiles to strike Crimea. The latest verbal tirade against the United Kingdom was featured on a nightly show on channel Russia 1, hosted by chief propagandist Vladimir Solovyov (pictured). One of Solovyov's 'analysts' directly quoted a report as writing 'give them hell' in regards to the possibility of the British government supplying Kyiv with Harpoon anti-ship missiles or surface-to-air Storm shadow missiles. Ukraine could use such weaponry to strike deep inside Russian-occupied Crimea, which would potentially be a major escalation in the conflict.

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That's your Prime Minister, not Vladimir Solovyov.
 
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