Boston Bomber is guilty! Let's hang him, inject him, fry him, shoot him or gas him!

Ralphy, I DON'T agree that women are always softer on the accused that men. I worked in the legal system for some 40 years, and I never saw that. Particularly where there is a heinous crime that killed and maimed people, women can often be tougher than men. Perhaps in a case where there was doubt, but in this case there is no doubt, and lives, even of those who survived have been irretrievably shattered, and even children killed (a 10 year old boy was disemboweled and basically shredded). One generalization I can agree with is that women generally do not feel very sorry for people blow up children.

I believe the death penalty is appropriate in this case. I'm not a big supporter of the death penalty, but in the case of something like this, I do.
 
Ralphy, I DON'T agree that women are always softer on the accused that men. I worked in the legal system for some 40 years, and I never saw that. Particularly where there is a heinous crime that killed and maimed people, women can often be tougher than men. Perhaps in a case where there was doubt, but in this case there is no doubt, and lives, even of those who survived have been irretrievably shattered, and even children killed (a 10 year old boy was disemboweled and basically shredded). One generalization I can agree with is that women generally do not feel very sorry for people blow up children.

I believe the death penalty is appropriate in this case. I'm not a big supporter of the death penalty, but in the case of something like this, I do.
 

Besides, the jury here is a death qualified jury, which means there are no jurors who are categorically opposed to the death penalty. They've had to state that they would be able to impose the death penalty in an appropriate case.

I don't think too many cases are more appropriate than this one.
 
Debby said:
Will killing them bring back their victims or just add to the list of victims?
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They are not victims ,they would be the result of the justice for their victims. These two young men purposefully set these bombs behind an innocent 8 year old boy and killed him and his sister seriously injured. How many more were killed or very seriously injured? And you believe he has the right to life? Really? They would still be doing it had they not been caught , one dead one waiting justice. If it was your grandson or daughters or sons or spouses would you still think the same? They knew exactly what they were doing and why they did it. Like I said just punishment for the crime.
 
koala said:
He could not do it again if locked away till he died!!!!!

That's punishment.
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I am saying if he wasn't locked up now he would do it again. For people to pay for these heartless murders (all of them, especially those who admit they would do it again), don't deserve to be kept alive. You can forgive indeed , but the just punishment must be carried out. Would you want to feed him and give him free medical and anything else he wants or needs if it was your son, daughter, husband, wife, grandchildren?
 
I am not confident in my ability to decide who,has the right to live and who does not. I am not an omnipotent being, and do not wish to,carry that responsibility/guilt. I do, however have no compunction about incarcerating murderers for the duration of their lives. I choose punishment/justice, over revenge. I am not a murderer, and cold blooded executions fill this Canadian with horror. Violence is not the answer.
 
Capital Punishment and the Death Penalty are mute issues. Warehousing criminals, and endless court appeals are Big Business, which supports thousands of high paid lawyers, and thousands more people operating our jails. The Criminal Justice system in the U.S. is a 300 billion dollar a year Business. Even if a death sentence is handed down by a judge/jury, that merely starts a 15 year long process which ultimately costs the taxpayers well over a million dollars. On average, it costs over $40,000 a year to keep a person in prison....even on a minor non-violent charge.

Just think how many good honest people this amount of money could help.
 
Don M. said:
Capital Punishment and the Death Penalty are mute issues. Warehousing criminals, and endless court appeals are Big Business, which supports thousands of high paid lawyers, and thousands more people operating our jails. The Criminal Justice system in the U.S. is a 300 billion dollar a year Business. Even if a death sentence is handed down by a judge/jury, that merely starts a 15 year long process which ultimately costs the taxpayers well over a million dollars. On average, it costs over $40,000 a year to keep a person in prison....even on a minor non-violent charge.

Just think how many good honest people this amount of money could help.
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Right Don M.. And I don't think they should be able to appeal either. They are guilty . Someone said he wants to die so he could be a martyr.....well the people he killed wanted to live.
 
Shalimar said:
I am not confident in my ability to decide who,has the right to live and who does not. I am not an omnipotent being, and do not wish to,carry that responsibility/guilt. I do, however have no compunction about incarcerating murderers for the duration of their lives. I choose punishment/justice, over revenge. I am not a murderer, and cold blooded executions fill this Canadian with horror. Violence is not the answer.
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So then do you have the same feelings towards the innocent soldiers who were beheaded and the children that were murdered?
 
lovemylittleboy said:
Right Don M.. And I don't think they should be able to appeal either. They are guilty . .......
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This sort of statement strikes me as a blanket generalization and it brought to mind, the numbers of people who were sentenced to death and then were exonerated. What about them? Since 1973, 152 people have been rescued from death row. That's 152 people, maybe just like you, just like me, who were first convicted of a terrible crime and then had charges dismissed or acquitted.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

152 people who were grateful that they had opportunity to appeal before the state acted like they had been accused of acting.
 
Shalimar said:
Of course, I do. Killing is wrong. Execution is wrong. Both are an abomination. Let us agree to disagree, lest this discussion become heated. Peace be with you, and yours.
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Agreed to disagree. And peace be you also, I wouldn't let it get heated Shalimar....people are entitled to their own beliefs.:)
 
Debby said:
Are soldiers 'innocent'? Their job is to kill people so how can they be innocent in the strictest sense of the word?
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Soldiers are not "innocent" per say as being clean of all sin. But they did not deserve to be beheaded at the hands of these people and the children , they were innocent. Soldiers are trained to do a job, to defend our country. I am certain they do not enjoy killing anyone . But they do it for your freedom , freedom for us all. Freedom is not free. All wars in Biblical times were controlled by God and He is Still in Control. We have to have protection. And this is all God's plan ....but you believe what you want. That is free
 
Debby said:
This sort of statement strikes me as a blanket generalization and it brought to mind, the numbers of people who were sentenced to death and then were exonerated. What about them? Since 1973, 152 people have been rescued from death row. That's 152 people, maybe just like you, just like me, who were first convicted of a terrible crime and then had charges dismissed or acquitted.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/innocence-list-those-freed-death-row

152 people who were grateful that they had opportunity to appeal before the state acted like they had been accused of acting.
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That has not gone out of my thoughts believe me. I I do think It is a shame some are convicted wrongly. The system is so broken it isn't funny. And a lot of people are set up and wrongly convicted because they just have to have someone to pin it on, others have too much money so it is easy to set someone up in their place. A lot depends on the attorneys as well. The system is just plain broken. The court system and government is corrupt.
And how many times have you seen one set free , then later admitting to the crime, and nothing can be done about it because of the double jeopardy clause. I was even on a jury duty once and the man was totally guilty, they the jurors couldn't get along and it was a hung jury the man went free and he turned around and went and finished the job he started. He killed the main man he was after two weeks.............
I am not going to get into an argument with you or anyone else. I just simply answered the thread like everyone else. SO please don't turn it into something it isn't. Thank you
 
Debby said:
Are soldiers 'innocent'? Their job is to kill people so how can they be innocent in the strictest sense of the word?
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Ps and besides that the soldiers are not the warped, twisted, people that these murders are. The murders are people who love and enjoy killing just because they can. There is a big difference there. If the soldiers didn't voluntarily sign up to defend the country they love, where would that leave us? Huh?
 
lovemylittleboy said:
Ps and besides that the soldiers are not the warped, twisted, people that these murders are. The murders are people who love and enjoy killing just because they can. There is a big difference there. If the soldiers didn't voluntarily sign up to defend the country they love, where would that leave us? Huh?
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I agree that there's a difference between soldiers and murderers who kill for the joy of it.

I'm not saying they aren't doing a good thing when they are protecting their countries from attack, but they are in the business of 'killing' aren't they? And there's no shortage of soldier aggression stories or stories of soldiers that are horribly traumatized by the things that they've done or seen other soldiers doing plus all the other horrors of war, so innocence is really the wrong word to use in the same sentence as 'soldier'. Innocent is the little child playing on the floor, innocent is the woman going about her business and not troubling anyone, innocent is the old lady who spends time with her grandchildren, or innocent is the homeless man who's just trying to survive on the streets, but for soldiers, well seems to me, in the context that you've used it, maybe 'captured soldiers' would have been more accurate. After all, if he got caught by ISIS, then he was there to kill ISIS fighters right? I'll bet if you checked the definition of innocence you wouldn't find any mention of 'killing'.

Now if you'd referenced the 'innocent humanitarian aid worker' that would be more accurate because that worker isn't there with the intention of killing anyone.
 
lovemylittleboy said:
That has not gone out of my thoughts believe me. I I do think It is a shame some are convicted wrongly. The system is so broken it isn't funny. And a lot of people are set up and wrongly convicted because they just have to have someone to pin it on, others have too much money so it is easy to set someone up in their place. A lot depends on the attorneys as well. The system is just plain broken. The court system and government is corrupt.
And how many times have you seen one set free , then later admitting to the crime, and nothing can be done about it because of the double jeopardy clause. I was even on a jury duty once and the man was totally guilty, they the jurors couldn't get along and it was a hung jury the man went free and he turned around and went and finished the job he started. He killed the main man he was after two weeks.............
I am not going to get into an argument with you or anyone else. I just simply answered the thread like everyone else. SO please don't turn it into something it isn't. Thank you
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Who's arguing? I'm not, just offering my opinion of the statements you've made and pointing out what I see as flaws in the proclamation of 'no appeals, hang 'em all' sort of thing. And while the system might be broken, that doesn't change the fact that 152 innocent people over the past 30 years would be dead if that was the prevailing practise. Could be anyone here next time or someone you love......my husband was once picked up when he was in his early 20's, for armed robbery or something serious. He was walking down the street a couple blocks from wherever the 'thing' had happened and a passing cop saw him and picked him up. Total case of mistaken identity and the police released him an hour or two later, but what if whatever witness who described him, stuck by their story, it went to trial and he was found guilty for something he didn't do? That's how easy it can happen.

Or I read today where a BC teacher is suing the school board and an investigator for ruining his reputation because a student lied about him molesting her. She's since recanted the entire story and the whole incident was shown to be a duplicate of a favourite cop show, Law and Order, SVU. Now what if he'd been accused of killing someone (falsely) and your philosophy prevailed in his case? His wife would be visiting a cemetery instead of a lawyers office.

These are the things that we need to remember when we talk about crime and punishment. It isn't all black and white, we're humans and there is an ocean of grey there to consider. And I'm sorry if I've offended you, never meant to do that. I just thought we were 'chatting'.
 
lovemylittleboy said:
I am saying if he wasn't locked up now he would do it again. For people to pay for these heartless murders (all of them, especially those who admit they would do it again), don't deserve to be kept alive. You can forgive indeed , but the just punishment must be carried out. Would you want to feed him and give him free medical and anything else he wants or needs if it was your son, daughter, husband, wife, grandchildren?
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You are not thinking clearly because you are too close to the crime.Capital punishment and he is gone instantly no pain or suffering for what he has done.You only want him removed without punishment.
There needs to be special prisons where he can be held till he dies naturally where he has to do hard labor and suffer every day as punishment for what he has done. No visitors, tobacco, education, television, radio, letters, no contact with the outside world, no special food, just a lot of very hard work in a self sufficient prison farm.
Up each day early, milk cows, get meals, plough fields, raise cattle, plus anything that needs to be done to survive.The only need for staff would be rough and tumble guards as prisioners would have to do everything.This would be long term punishment, not 30 seconds of capital punishment rubbish, the easy way out. I know which one he would choose.
 
Debby........I am with you, capital punishment is not punishment, it is the easy way out.Don't lower to their levil but punish them till the day they die naturally die.
 
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They are not victims ,they would be the result of the justice for their victims. These two young men purposefully set these bombs behind an innocent 8 year old boy and killed him and his sister seriously injured. How many more were killed or very seriously injured? And you believe he has the right to life? Really? They would still be doing it had they not been caught , one dead one waiting justice. If it was your grandson or daughters or sons or spouses would you still think the same? They knew exactly what they were doing and why they did it. Like I said just punishment for the crime.
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You are talking justice, not punishment. Locked away till death is suffering.
 

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