Thinking about changes in life and technology

Pepper said:
I strongly disagree, except to say most of us on SF seem to. Out there? No, an annoyance to be dealt with, who cares how. At least that's what I see and hear.
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People in the state of Calif overwhelmingly approved no less than 3 spending proposals of 2-billion and more each to fund new free and low-income housing plus bills to fund trash collection and other sanitation programs for homeless encampments because they do care. And maybe some, or even most of them cared more about the mess than the people making the mess, but in any case, Californians were willing to pay for housing the homeless.

And the politicians got an approximate total of 6-billion dollars, but the approximate 300,000 homeless got a total of 58 apartments.
 
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Pepper said:
We don't all live in a rural community with no people. Some of us live in cities, where we encounter real life on a daily basis, not to imply rural doesn't have it's own realities.
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Seriously? I DO have to go to the city in a regular basis for little things like food, or gas for the car, or docs. Then there's the local bookstore, the fabric shop, and just about anything else I need. None of it grows on the trees here. I hazard to guess there is quite a bit of "real life" there. I haven't seen any zombies anyway. I will change my "perhaps" to "perhaps" you are just too self involved.
 
Jules said:
None of the 3 Canadians in this house have a card with that expiry date. One card is May 2027.
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Well, all of ours, and families expired on 01/25... Maybe it just happened that way, but what is going on in today's world, I am very worried about it...

I used to trust our governments a lot more then I do today... and most governments if you really wach and listen are beginning to talk the same...
George1959 said:
Mike, I completely agree with you. They try to push us into total control by AI. The European Union wants to install a central bank digital currency and remove all banknotes and coins. In Germany the bank accounts of some investigative journalists already got terminated. Without money you are 'Mr. Nothing'.
I avoid cashier-less aisles and pay with notes and coins.
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And YOU need to pass it on to your family & friends... If digital currency gets here as hard as they are trying to get it here, we are doomed... in more ways then one. We will be owned and controlled by the government.
Becky1951 said:
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Yup, and once upon a time that was fantasy and sci-fi... and in the last year or so, it' is becoming reality... We need to stand tall, and fight for our rights, and our currency...

Yes, I know the world changes in every generation. But these changes that the governments are pushing down our throats, and trying to go to a digital cashless society. The world will never be the same for our Grandchildren, or their children if it makes it that fast in the distance. There is a group of millionaires who are trying to play God... or controllers. I am not going to get deep into that subject... But look and see what the WEF is up to, and many of our leaders around the world are in this group.

A lot of this stuff came after the trucker's convoy here in Canada last winter. They were able to open many eyes of what really is going on in the world. I am not sure how things are in your countries, but here COVID killed a lot of businesses by our leaders telling us to stay in the house... Don't come out... And the world began to collapse... You say life changes with generations. Life here changed since last winter. What I am writing here is a little different from what I wrote earlier. But it is all tied in, into the rocky road we are travelling on.

What is going on in Netherlands and their farmers, what is going on in the entire world and our farmers? We need our farmers to eat, no farmers, no food. I read in the newspapers up here, a lot of food plants burnt to the ground this past year... All kinds of them, and nobody knows why? Yes, our food is a lot more expensive then it was a few years back. But our governments are trying to cause shortages....

So, lets look at this a different way. They are trying to dissolve our monies away, trying to push us into a cashless society. So, now we have no money, we will begin to lose our homes, and stuff we love, so we turn to the governments for help in money, healthcare, food... and there is none because the governments have killed everything as we know it.
and we have to count on the government for everything, home, food, money... I know some of you are sitting there reading this, shaking your heads and saying this guy is whacked...

If you think I am nuts, look into it deeper, let's share our finds here... and YOU will see I am not completely nuts... I am seeing part of our future... There's another virus coming, they have told us this, and it's going to be bigger, stronger, and worse then COVID was ever... Covid will look like the common cold...

So, let's talk about this stuff, I want to hear what YOU all think... Because myself, I think we are duned, unless we all stand up together...
 
mike4lorie said:
Well, all of ours, and families expired on 01/25... Maybe it just happened that way, but what is going on in today's world, I am very worried about it...

I used to trust our governments a lot more then I do today... and most governments if you really wach and listen are beginning to talk the same...

And YOU need to pass it on to your family & friends... If digital currency gets here as hard as they are trying to get it here, we are doomed... in more ways then one. We will be owned and controlled by the government.

Yup, and once upon a time that was fantasy and sci-fi... and in the last year or so, it' is becoming reality... We need to stand tall, and fight for our rights, and our currency...

Yes, I know the world changes in every generation. But these changes that the governments are pushing down our throats, and trying to go to a digital cashless society. The world will never be the same for our Grandchildren, or their children if it makes it that fast in the distance. There is a group of millionaires who are trying to play God... or controllers. I am not going to get deep into that subject... But look and see what the WEF is up to, and many of our leaders around the world are in this group.

A lot of this stuff came after the trucker's convoy here in Canada last winter. They were able to open many eyes of what really is going on in the world. I am not sure how things are in your countries, but here COVID killed a lot of businesses by our leaders telling us to stay in the house... Don't come out... And the world began to collapse... You say life changes with generations. Life here changed since last winter. What I am writing here is a little different from what I wrote earlier. But it is all tied in, into the rocky road we are travelling on.

What is going on in Netherlands and their farmers, what is going on in the entire world and our farmers? We need our farmers to eat, no farmers, no food. I read in the newspapers up here, a lot of food plants burnt to the ground this past year... All kinds of them, and nobody knows why? Yes, our food is a lot more expensive then it was a few years back. But our governments are trying to cause shortages....

So, lets look at this a different way. They are trying to dissolve our monies away, trying to push us into a cashless society. So, now we have no money, we will begin to lose our homes, and stuff we love, so we turn to the governments for help in money, healthcare, food... and there is none because the governments have killed everything as we know it.
and we have to count on the government for everything, home, food, money... I know some of you are sitting there reading this, shaking your heads and saying this guy is whacked...

If you think I am nuts, look into it deeper, let's share our finds here... and YOU will see I am not completely nuts... I am seeing part of our future... There's another virus coming, they have told us this, and it's going to be bigger, stronger, and worse then COVID was ever... Covid will look like the common cold...

So, let's talk about this stuff, I want to hear what YOU all think... Because myself, I think we are duned, unless we all stand up together...
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I don't disagree with what you're saying. How are you dealing with it? Most of us don't have the means to stop it. You can refuse the self checkout and that is doing something but don't allow the man behind the curtain to lessen the meaning of life for you.
I stay up and worry in the middle of the night as well.
What are the things we can do that would actually make an impact?
 
hollydolly said:
if nothing else..I really think people should take more notice of the threat of a Cashless society..and use cash wherever possible..

It's true that once we become a Cashless society , the banks and the government own you... and have complete and utter control...
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Cash or cashless, I think that the banks and the government already own you and have complete control. Sure, you can run off into the woods and they won't come after you, but if you want to exist in the established order then you have to follow the protocol.
 
Nathan said:
Cash or cashless, I think that the banks and the government already own you and have complete control. Sure, you can run off into the woods and they won't come after you, but if you want to exist in the established order then you have to follow the protocol.
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Nope I disagree Nathan, the banks have no control over you if you already own your home.. or rent it come to that.. and you keep your money under the mattress.. . In Spain and the Greek Islands, the elder people don't trust banks.. nor the Taxman.. and ''under the mattress'' is where many people store their money.. . Some of these people are very well off but you wouldn't think it by the way they dress, or the cars they drive.. but it's all hidden from the govts..
 
I know that the hunter/gatherer societies were (and the few left are) cashless societies but are there even more recent examples of cashless societies? Have there ever even been any (since hunter/gatherer days)? And how do we know they'd even be a bad thing? (Really not being belligerent, just curious about the whole thing. I read a sci. fiction book--I think it was by Clifford Simak maybe--that speculated admiringly about a cashless society in the future.)
 
officerripley said:
I know that the hunter/gatherer societies were (and the few left are) cashless societies but are there even more recent examples of cashless societies? Have there ever even been any (since hunter/gatherer days)? And how do we know they'd even be a bad thing? (Really not being belligerent, just curious about the whole thing. I read a sci. fiction book--I think it was by Clifford Simak maybe--that speculated admiringly about a cashless society in the future.)
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have a watch of this...

 
I am a professional engineer by trade. From my vantagepoint all of this new technology has been of immense benefit to me, my family and everyone I know. As far as I am concerned the world that existed prior to about the mid 1990's was simply a pre industrial pre-historical epoch of slave wages, financial insecurity, ignorance and superstition and early death due to stress, generally manifested on one's death certificate as stroke or heart attack. I call this the cave man era. Like you, I somehow survived and lived through it, but there is simply no going back. The arrow of time points in only one direction. Forward!
 
hollydolly said:
if nothing else..I really think people should take more notice of the threat of a Cashless society..and use cash wherever possible..

It's true that once we become a Cashless society , the banks and the government own you... and have complete and utter control...
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The U.S. has began going that way and how far it will go, time will tell. A cashless society would cut down on crime to a point.
China is pretty much already there.
 
sch404 said:
I am a professional engineer by trade. From my vantagepoint all of this new technology has been of immense benefit to me, my family and everyone I know. As far as I am concerned the world that existed prior to about the mid 1990's was simply a pre industrial pre-historical epoch of slave wages, financial insecurity, ignorance and superstition and early death due to stress, generally manifested on one's death certificate as stroke or heart attack. I call this the cave man era. Like you, I somehow survived and lived through it, but there is simply no going back. The arrow of time points in only one direction. Forward!
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I agree with this to a point: I think that, to simplify it a lot I admit, we can either have at least some technology or we can have slavery (or an underclass that are slaves in everything but name). I think that human nature is such that if people have enough power, money, etc., there are things that they're not going to want to do for themselves and if they don't have technology they can put to work for themselves, they're going to use people that they see (or pretend to see) as less-than-the-best-humans.

However! Humans spent thousands of years in the hunter-gatherer societies where, if those societies were anything like the few that are left now, the happiest, most content of the societies were basically jocks/cheerleader types, i.e., physical, social, people-person type people, happiest when the hunting and gathering were done for the day, they were sitting around the common campfire engaging in small talk (even gossip, gasp!). So since thousands (millions even maybe) of years of evolution formed humans into not just homosapiens-the-tool-maker but also homosapiens the people-person/communicator who not only doesn't mind "small talk" but thrives on it, I think we would be wise to treat technology as another tool subject to ethical concerns and not a god or savior which must never be questioned.
 
On the personal level, I love all the new technology. I have a home recording studio on my computer. I'm never without something to read, as long as I have my phone with me. Cars are far more reliable today than they were just a few decades ago. The audio and video quality of movies we can watch at home is almost as good as what we experience in a movie theater and better in some respects.

AI is going to make a lot of things easier, even though it's going to put a lot of people out of work. That's a given. And in the end, it will kill us all. Otherwise, it's pretty cool!
 
Nathan said:
Cash or cashless, I think that the banks and the government already own you and have complete control. Sure, you can run off into the woods and they won't come after you, but if you want to exist in the established order then you have to follow the protocol.
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I would go one step beyond that and say that credit bureaus have as much power. There will be a time soon that someone could have $10 million in cash but if all they did was spend cash and not build up a credit score then they have no worth to banks or financial intuitions. Perhaps an exaggerated scenario but close to the truth.
 

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