School shooting in Nashville!!

kburra said:
Incidentally, and from left field, do Pensioners/Seniors own or carry guns? maybe this a silly question but do any of you (USA)own a gun and if so why? I`ll understand if no answers.
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From other forums I knew some seniors who carried guns. One man in Texas who always cleaned them in the presence of every new friend of his daughter. Most of them didn't visit her a second time🤣. And then a couple in Minnesota. Both of them, even the lady, carried their guns (revolvers) in public.
 
SeniorBen said:
I agree! Same with drugs. Drugs don't just get up and inject themselves into somebody's arm, so we shouldn't have any laws prohibiting the sale or possession of illicit drugs. It's common sense! :cool:
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Like drug laws we have so many gun laws it would be hard to count them. Many laws are unenforced by the DAs in the cities and states that made the laws. Many of those who break laws are back on the streets within a few hours of arrest. No law of any kind will be effective unless it is enforced.

Drugs are a good point. Very likely this shooter was hopped up on something. That is another element that sometimes contributes to crimes. There's the inanimate object, the gun, there's the mentally ill person carrying it, there's the possibility that what pushed them over the edge and gave them the courage to commit the crime is the drugs they were taking. Maybe we will hear about that after the autopsy.

Ruthanne said:
Perhaps you are not aware but mental health agencies do focus on that every day. They are told to ask clients certain questions about hurting themselves or others and by what means. This has been going on for quite some time. It is not the only answer to this problem. We have 50 states to monitor and a huge country. They all have to do what is necessary to combat this problem. Not all states are doing all that is necessary and the government isn't doing all that is necessary and treating people with mental health concerns is not 100 percent foolproof.

This is a huge problem as everyone knows and it's not going away overnight. We have to take this one day at a time and one solution at a time and keep coming up with more solutions and all solutions are welcomed by us and to our president who you can write to. Information is on the internet by search of Whitehouse.
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I am aware that there are not enough sources of mental health care for all the people who need it. I am aware that there is not good coverage in most health insurance policies and I'm also aware that the people who need it most, often do not have health insurance. I'm also aware that this thread focused on one solution and that is why I added mental health care.

And I'm aware that the person who committed this atrocity bought two of the guns legally or so the police chief said in his press conference. They were still uncertain of the origin of the 3rd gun. It is not uncommon for a horrible atrocity to be a first offense, showing that the person was not a habitual criminal but their mental state played a big role.

kburra said:
(Why do you focus on the gun rather than the mental health of the person who fires it?) Agree with the basic statement but mentally ill or not this atrocity could hardly have been carried out, with say a bread knife. Really with two assault rifles and a handgun, then to suggest that guns are not the problem, I give up on that thinking!

Six people — three children and three adult staff members — at the Covenant School in the affluent Nashville suburb of Green Hills were killed Monday by a woman armed with two assault rifles and a handgun.
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Actually an atrocity can be carried out with a knife, an axe, a sword or a hammer, to name a few. It would almost certainly affect less people but who knows when it's a roomful of small children that is being attacked by a mentally ill individual. What about the other people in this shooter's life? Did they not realize something was wrong? Did they try to get help? Maybe we will get answers.

All I am saying is that the problem will not be solved by focusing solely on the tool that mentally ill people have used. Like most big problems it is multi-faceted. Yes, there should be reasonable gun laws and there are. More have been added every time something happens.

I am thankful for the police who ran straight into the line of fire and used a gun to stop the slaughter of the children by a mentally ill person.
 
Evada said:
First it was a teenager. Then a 28 yo woman. Wrong and wrong: it was a TRANS‼️ Found this 👇 on Twitter, but it must be just some conspiracy theory ...

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I think this is one of those correlation is not causation situations. No one who commits mass murder is mentally healthy, they all must be disturbed in some way -- I'm not saying with a diagnosed mental illness -- but with a lack of focus, purpose, impulse control and self-esteem. They are usually social outcasts, searching for some way to be acceptable to other and to themselves. It stands to reason such mixed up young people would be trying out different gender identities in a desperate effort to stop whatever is going wrong with them.

It's not being trans that causes these shootings it's a very upset and disturbed, possibly high person who has access to guns. The one common thing in school shootings? They are shootings.
 
These are the two officers who ultimately engaged and stopped the shooter 53284482-DF8A-475D-95EA-A3F32F2AE595.jpeg
The shooter made her way to the second story of the school after breaking in through a side door (it was locked as per the school’s security procedures) She fired on officers from a second story window, shooting out the window of a police vehicle, but not actually hitting any police.

Once inside, the officers heard shooting from the second floor and ran toward the gunfire, engaging the shooter on the landing of the second story, and bringing her down.

The call came in at 10.13. Officers on scene and engaging the shooter by 10.27. Excellent response time. Many lives were saved. ❤️
 
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Here we go once again. Started yesterday, all the news broadcasts are asking why ? Saying officials want to know why .

We are never going to know what motivates these whack-jobs ... It's like asking, why did you choose a blue car?

The reasons are known only to them ... And we are never going to prevent the next one.

I read once that there are roughly two guns [on average] for every person in this country. And there are what ? approximately 330 million of us !

It has nothing to do with the guns .... it only has to do with the person/human behind the gun.

It has been suggested that we start looking seriously at anyone that shows the least sign of mental imbalance . And take action against them. That would open a whole new can of worms if there ever was one.

The only suggestion I have heard that might .... might .... make a difference would be to stop announcing/displaying anything that gives them any glory .... even if they're dead. It might be something the next one will be sad to see, and as such perhaps change their mind ???
 
In your country such policemen are honored. In my country they are accused of violence against the knife aggressor. In Germany knifes play exactly the role, that guns do in your's. Some years ago a young policewoman shot a knife aggressor who killed someone in a train and hurt the officer severely. She was not honored. This is shitty Germany!:mad:
 
I would like to know when the shooter became trans. That should not be considered detrimental to other trans. Just want to understand psyche of this person.

A big deal was made, at first, about the shooter being that rare, very rare, almost nonexistent woman who mass murdered. Maybe a woman did not shoot those innocent people. Maybe a confused man did. Too soon?
 
It’s surreal to see the media on this…the school itself, the church it’s connected to, the streets surrounding the school that the police and media had blocked off or were filming from. I drive these streets every day. I drive past the school and the church several times a week.

Green Hills is an affluent area of Nashville, a small suburb, and my clients live in this area. I was just down the street with one of my clients when all this was going down. I had to take a different route when I left because of street closures.

Here are two victims, Katherine Koonce is the school head and Mike Hill is the custodian.
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mrstime said:
Yes they didn't wait an hour while the shooting continued. 129 mass shootings this year and it isn't even April yet!
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I never leave home without a pistol. It’s a dangerous world out there and I feel the need to carry my pistol. I would feel terrible sitting in a restaurant or movie theater and a shooting happened and I would find myself and my wife crawling on the floor for protection. My wife used to ask me if I was “ready” to go. That was a reminder to me to be sure I was carrying. My wife, son and daughter all carry. It doesn’t guarantee your safety, but it gives you a chance to survive if a shooting should happen.

People ask me if it’s s good idea to carry. I tell them “not until you take a safety course.” I attended a safety course about a month ago presented by the NRA, which I am not a member of, so I had to pay $25 to enter, which is very inexpensive. A lot of safety courses run as high as $75 in my area. I went because (you guessed it) a neighbor asked me to go along. I thought it was very good. Very thorough for sure. You didn’t want to try to rob the place that night. Everyone had a pistol, unloaded, of course.
 
911 said:
I never leave home without a pistol. It’s a dangerous world out there and I feel the need to carry my pistol. I would feel terrible sitting in a restaurant or movie theater and a shooting happened and I would find myself and my wife crawling on the floor for protection. My wife used to ask me if I was “ready” to go. That was a reminder to me to be sure I was carrying. My wife, son and daughter all carry. It doesn’t guarantee your safety, but it gives you a chance to survive if a shooting should happen.

People ask me if it’s s good idea to carry. I tell them “not until you take a safety course.” I attended a safety course about a month ago presented by the NRA, which I am not a member of, so I had to pay $25 to enter, which is very inexpensive. A lot of safety courses run as high as $75 in my area. I went because (you guessed it) a neighbor asked me to go along. I thought it was very good. Very thorough for sure. You didn’t want to try to rob the place that night. Everyone had a pistol, unloaded, of course.
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@911 I agree. Ron has a carry permit and one of his guns goes where we go. We both practice a couple times a year. The guns are locked away when the grandkids come over, and all our kids know that there are guns in the house and where they are. Most of them have guns themselves.

You said it, it’s a dangerous world out there.
 
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