What if? A sort of philosophical question.

Reality is what there is that is the same for everyone. Everything else is perceptions, impressions, or whatever else you want to call it OF reality. You can't have the latter without the former.

The trick is to get your perceptions aligned with reality so you don't do something stupid. Being guided by faulty perceptions is going to make for a very frustrating life.
I just finished writing a dissertation where I had to prove that what I was writing was credible. The outcome was based on "multiple realities," which meant that if two or three sources said the same thing, then it was real. So I go along with your first statement. How we perceive it is a different matter.
 

I just finished writing a dissertation where I had to prove that what I was writing was credible. The outcome was based on "multiple realities," which meant that if two or three sources said the same thing, then it was real. So I go along with your first statement. How we perceive it is a different matter.
What field are you in?
 

We evolved to survive, and evolution is a hit or miss proposition. We just need to survive. Evolution does not lead to perfection or perfect sensory responses. See a lion? Run! Don't need to identify it's gender, color, teeth, or the size of it's feet. We don't need to know if it going to be friendly or not. All species, including humans lack the ability to be precise in what they observe, because we don't need that. We do not have god-like knowledge. I like the comment that determining reality is beyond our pay grade. Science is our best option, but it changes as we advance and doesn't always get it right, but unlike us local yokels, it knows that.
I like your introduction of evolution into the discussion but can I suggest that whilst running from a "sealion" might be the right way to go you're unlikely to outrun the lion you've come across in the Serengeti or wherever, so may be best sitting quiet and hoping it cant sense you're presence, (even then standstill I'd guess might mean the large cat leaves you be?). :)
Can I throw into the discussion this point (one I've probably made before on other threads), that my mood seems to affect the way I perceive things, often without my being fully aware of this. Obviously most people when feeling tired or stressed can react in a way they wouldn't when well rested, and I do now try to remember this and give myself time if something turns up that stresses me in some way.
 
Can I throw into the discussion this point (one I've probably made before on other threads), that my mood seems to affect the way I perceive things, often without my being fully aware of this. Obviously most people when feeling tired or stressed can react in a way they wouldn't when well rested, and I do now try to remember this and give myself time if something turns up that stresses me in some way.
What you see as "off topic" is actually appropriate here. It's a big factor in why human perception is so flawed. Humans are not like Vulcans, most of our perceptions and behavior follow emotion, not logic. We are not born with logic. That must be learned, and even if it is, emotion still drives much of our behavior.
 
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That’s really interesting, including the audio. Thanks! So there, as yet, isno definitive explanation for what I described? It could be what I described, evolution, or something completely different. Either way, and as mention in the link you provided, it seems to be how the brain ‘perceives’ things.
If that's the case then it would be genetic, because experiencing a bigger moon just over the horizon is almost universal. I'm still betting on it being something to do with looking through a longer distance of atmosphere.
 
Pretty much. I tend to side with philosophers who have made the "linguistic turn." I think many of the traditional problems of philosophy are best dealt with by analyzing language, broadly speaking. That includes semantics and pragmatics, and sometimes even grammar in the way Chomsky means.
So you'll be applying the linguistic turn (which I've just read a bit about) to the philosophical discussion of reality, how it applies to objective reality, rather than historical objectivity (which is what I just read, which btw, was very interesting).

That's a whole different discussion (sounds fun), "historical objectivity;" similar to this one, but not quite.

Anyway, how will Chomsky's view of grammar (universal grammar, right?) play into this thought experiment?

I have to tell you, I'm having trouble grasping the concept that philosophy might be better addressed by studying the communication tool we use to discuss it.

I'm not challenging the validity of it, but literally struggling with the concept.

Edit: typo and too many which-s
 
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If reality doesn't exist, it wouldn't change anything about my life. I wouldn't join a cult or subscribe to a Flat Earth Society publication. Unfortunately, if reality doesn't exist, I doubt that I would exist. Not that I hadn't contemplated something similar to the Matrix, even before the movie came out, but I passed on the idea rather quickly.

One thing I've thought about at some length is whether something came from nothing. This is also a dead argument, but if something did come from nothing, could it be possible that everything around us is just a different manifestation of nothing. After all, protons seem to be 99+% nothing, and sub atomic particles appear and disappear as if half their life is a nothing state.

But again, none of this has any practical application on how I go about my life.
When I read your words saying that you would not exist if reality did not exist, my first thought was, "How would you know?" But that got really, really deep when I tried to parsed it out and I haven't had enough coffee yet.

The thing is, as I understand it and that is admittedly to a very limited degree, at the sub atomic level things get wonky and we have not yet figured out why or even what is happening there. Seriously, it gets a little spooky in there.

I can't add a lot to the above as my understanding of that subject is limited. I am fascinated, however.

I'm adding the below as I've just read it in the excellent article @palides2021 referenced (Thank you ) :) and it addresses one point of view, on what I was saying in my first paragraph:

"According to the Buddhist doctrine of anatta, the self does not really exist. When you try to pin down your own essence, to grasp it, it slips through your fingers."

It doesn't prove or disprove anything, of course as that can't be done here, but it's an interesting note on how others of us are thinking about and attempting to come to terms with the elusiveness of our own realities.
 
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What you see as "off topic" is actually appropriate here. It's a big factor in why human perception is so flawed. Humans are not like Vulcans, most of our perceptions and behavior follow emotion, not logic. We are not born with logic. That must be learned, and even if it is, emotion still drives much of our behavior.
Can I be a PITA and note that Vulcans are also not born with logic and are, in fact, a violent, emotional, irrational race at heart such that they spent 1500 years (I think) training their minds away from emotion.

That one really is off topic, I know. Couldn't stop myself, impulse control. ha.
 
Feel I must mention at this point; if I fade out here and there or don't respond at length, etc., I'm not ignoring (or potentially even disagreeing) with you.

I have ADHD and some other party gifts from the universe that make it difficult for me to focus at times or for long periods of time. I get around this by reading texts/articles, etc. from the middle, bottom, then top or putting them on a text to speech reader, whatever I can to force my brain to focus and absorb.

But it gets tired and flat-out refuses, eventually (this is one of the things I love about playing chess; it's so good for my focus, spatial thinking and cognition. Passionately love that game).

So, back to regularly scheduled discussion. :)
 
So you'll be applying the linguistic turn (which I've just read a bit about) to the philosophical discussion of reality, how it applies to objective reality, rather than historical objectivity (which is what I just read, which btw, was very interesting).

That's a whole different discussion (sounds fun), "historical objectivity;" similar to this one, but not quite.

Anyway, how will Chomsky's view of grammar (universal grammar, right?) play into this thought experiment?

I have to tell you, I'm having trouble grasping the concept that philosophy might be better addressed by studying the communication tool we use to discuss it.

I'm not challenging the validity of it, but literally struggling with the concept.

Edit: typo and too many which-s
Chomsky isn't really relevant to this particular discussion. He is only relevant when it comes to overall theories of semantics. He thinks there is a built-in grammar of sorts that explains how we acquire language. People like Quine and Dennett think nothing is built-in and we need a fully empirical explanation.

As for how language is useful. There was a reaction to the metaphysics of Kant and Hegel which seemed to have no way of being tested for whether they were true. The original idea was that the meaning of a statement is determined either empirically through the senses, or it is a statment of logic and the meaning is asserted by definition. Any statement that cannot be verified through the senses is thus meaningless or only true by definition. So the statements of metaphsyics are either meaningless, or are merely true by definition.
 
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Can you elaborate on this a bit, please. Because it sounds like you're saying you've got the answer to the problem of Solipsism.
Help me out here.

Solipsism is the view that only "I" exist. When I look around I see other bodies. But I could be making this up; it could only be in my mind. Since my mind is only available to me, I can't confirm that the bodies I seem to see also have a mind. So I only know that I have a mind.

This is why another definition for solipsism is the mind/body problem. You now have three options. Defend dualism. This is what is usually done by appeal to some version of religion. Get rid of bodies. That is called Idealism which asserts only the existence of a mental substance, and bodies are just an invention of the mental substance. Get rid of minds. That is called Materialism, which asserts that there is only material substance and what we call minds are an emergent property of matter.
 
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Solipsism is the view that only "I" exist. When I look around I see other bodies. But I could be making this up; it could only be in my mind. Since my mind is only available to me, I can't confirm that the bodies I seem to see also have a mind. So I only know that I have a mind.

This is why another definition for solipsism is the mind/body problem. You now have three options. Defend dualism. This is what is usually done by appeal to some version of religion. Get rid of bodies. That is called Idealism which asserts only the existence of a mental substance, and bodies are just an invention of the mental substance. Get rid of minds. That is called Materialism, which asserts that there is only material substance and what we call minds are an emergent property of matter.
Well... it's the view that I can only prove that I exist to myself and to no one else, which is slightly different.

So, you're not saying you've solved the problem of Solipsism, but that you're of the opinion that, at it's core, it is a problem of mind/body dualism and if that could be solved, Solipsism would then be solved.

What's the point in this statement? I'm not being snarky. I'm openly wondering as it seems a restatement of the problem and it's insolvability.
 
Can I be a PITA and note that Vulcans are also not born with logic and are, in fact, a violent, emotional, irrational race at heart such that they spent 1500 years (I think) training their minds away from emotion.

That one really is off topic, I know. Couldn't stop myself, impulse control. ha.
I concede. When you posted that, I remembered the movie that explained the actual origin of Vulcan logic.
 
When I read your words saying that you would not exist if reality did not exist, my first thought was, "How would you know?" But that got really, really deep when I tried to parsed it out and I haven't had enough coffee yet.
It comes down to Rene Descartes observation: "I don't think. Therefore, I am not.";)
 

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