Jesus, Son of God, or Just a Wish?

JustDave said:
Stephen Hawking was not our creator, just a prophet.
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PeppermintPatty said:
Huh? You lost me! 🤷‍♀️
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You @PeppermentPatty seemed satisfied with my later explanation, but reading this exchange months later, I'm a little embarrassed . I used too much poetic license that demeans theoretical physicists, who resemble prophets only in that they make predictions. They differ in that their predictions are given as theories (explanations that fit all known observations of a particular phenomenon that are malleable and are open to refinement or being discarded when and if new information becomes available that doesn't fit with theory).

Prophets are usually seen has having the final word. When new information invalidates the prophesy, followers sometimes say, "Well, he didn't really mean that." Others will claim, "No, he meant exactly that, and things that negate the prophesy are works of the devil," or some similar apology.
 

I watch science and physis get dispelled at every corner every 5 yrs or so as scientists discover new phenomena - you only have to watch netflix to understand that - we are far from the universal single answer yet - but sometimes we get too smart for ourselves?
 
I don't like to comment on other's beliefs. As long as other's beliefs don't infringe on my rights, who cares. But this thread poses a question. There is absolutely no physical evidence that a deity exists. Others say they believe it exists. While maybe sincere, belief is not proof, nor does belief guarantee authenticity.
 

JustDave said:
You @PeppermentPatty seemed satisfied with my later explanation, but reading this exchange months later, I'm a little embarrassed . I used too much poetic license that demeans theoretical physicists, who resemble prophets only in that they make predictions. They differ in that their predictions are given as theories (explanations that fit all known observations of a particular phenomenon that are malleable and are open to refinement or being discarded when and if new information becomes available that doesn't fit with theory).

Prophets are usually seen has having the final word. When new information invalidates the prophesy, followers sometimes say, "Well, he didn't really mean that." Others will claim, "No, he meant exactly that, and things that negate the prophesy are works of the devil," or some similar apology.
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Sorry but I no longer participate in controversial topics.
 
I began moving away from Christianity in the last few months, although I suspected church, Christianity and religion had deep underlying purposes besides salvation. Recently I questioned the validity of faith and belief regarding lack of tangible evidence these things actually exist. In addition to having no oversight or proof to what people claim as Chrisitain believers.
If the purpose for believing in Jesus support is to achieve joy, happiness, etc..as the objective. I’ve always wondered if Jesus/Christianity is the only belief or method that claim happiness and contentment if you are a true believer.

Christianity-believer power, ability and gifts are conditional to god’s will, in other words, if it ain’t gods will its not going to happen. Is there a way to determined god’s will is an accurate accessment for things that may or may not occur? In other words, does god exist? I beleive god for lack of better description does exist based on the order and balance of earth and universe. Something determines life and death, location and time, and the events that occur in and out of human reason.

As far as Jesus and Christianity, the story is bit too much for me to believe.
 
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fuzzybuddy said:
I don't like to comment on other's beliefs. As long as other's beliefs don't infringe on my rights, who cares. But this thread poses a question. There is absolutely no physical evidence that a deity exists. Others say they believe it exists. While maybe sincere, belief is not proof, nor does belief guarantee authenticity.
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I agree and I studied theology for years but came away more confused and less convinced about everything. What others believe, I will not argue with.
 
davey said:
I have been on many forums - too many to recount - but one or two I think have had clear guidelines about claiming 'specific religious beliefs and rights' as having no right to sanctify their own creed and practices as not only the most worthy but the holiest and most correct. I assume that is the practice here?
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No Religious rules around here as far as I know, nor do I believe there should be. However there are rules against blatant politics, as I believe there should be.
 
Mitch86 said:
I believe Jesus is the Son of God named Yahweh. I believe he can save us and give us the ability to take any suffering and still be Saved. I always pray to Jesus for help in tough situations and, somehow, He gets me through it undamaged. I am 88 and have relied on Him to get me with little damage to my present age. I reach Him through MUSIC rather than reading the Bible.

Here is a sample of what makes me believe:

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I believe Jesus was who He said He was, the Son of God. I am a Christian.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
I don't like to comment on other's beliefs. As long as other's beliefs don't infringe on my rights, who cares. But this thread poses a question. There is absolutely no physical evidence that a deity exists. Others say they believe it exists. While maybe sincere, belief is not proof, nor does belief guarantee authenticity.
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maybe proof doesn't even need to come into it - people have had spontaneous remissions of illnesses no proof needed - Many consider that Christ was such a diety and did exist ; both biblical scripture and non- biblical reports attest to that? remember the story of doubting Thomas - who said to Christ 'how can I believe that you are the christ?" - christ had to say or maybe wanted to say - " thomas I am the risen christ - look at these holes through my palms - put your fingers through them so that you may believe " or words to that effect. The disciples saw the risen Christ and believed and passed down their accounts through the scriptures and continued the promotion of his new religion throughout the world called the Christian religion - not the catholic one of the church of england just the christian one!
 
Rose65 said:
I believe Jesus was who He said He was, the Son of God. I am a Christian.
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I believe that as well, even though I tend to speak out against organized religion at times. Too many rites and rituals, as well as dos and don'ts have developed around the Carpenter from Nazareth! He is the Spirit of Love and Joy and Forgiveness! That's what I believe!
 
chic said:
I agree and I studied theology for years but came away more confused and less convinced about everything. What others believe, I will not argue with.
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My seminary made me less sure of things by always presenting both sides of a theological argument. It also disabused me of the notion that the Bible had to be accepted as the inerrant word of God. I will be forever grateful for its liberal views and attitudes!
 
I agree ! ; I don't believe that God ever condoned the production of a bible despite many parts being historically accurate and the gospels quite spell binding. Jesus admonished the Jews from whom he came and announced that he was the annointed one come from God as his son to take on the sins of the world and to die and then arises to demonstrate that belief can enable us to live for ever within the Kingdom of God - wherever that is??
 
davey said:
I agree ! ; I don't believe that God ever condoned the production of a bible despite many parts being historically accurate and the gospels quite spell binding. Jesus admonished the Jews from whom he came and announced that he was the annointed one come from God as his son to take on the sins of the world and to die and then arises to demonstrate that belief can enable us to live for ever within the Kingdom of God - wherever that is??
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I would never throw out the Bible or say it is not condoned by God. I have problems with the O.T. but to me the New Testament is truly inspired! Not dictated by God but written down in their own style, by people who were illuminated by Him but often were also influenced by 1st Century prejudices as well. See: women shouldn't speak in church, or slaves obey your masters etc. Something that contradicts the very nature of God!
 
I believe that in most parts the bible is indeed very accurate but still an attempt by man to interpret Gods words and in the usual style of man stuff it all up ..............................................try the books "Conversations with God" by Donald Neil Walsch and see what he has to say about God and the bible -whole different new slant ...................when God speaks and man interprets everything goes wrong!!
 
I am more agnostic. I find it hard to believe in a supreme being who believes my niece and her lesbian partner are sinners. Many years ago, I went to my Pastor , sad because I had just learned by gay cousin died from AIDS and instead told me my cousin was not going to Heaven.
 
rubbish not you Marie but all the falsehpod about lesbianism and gayness etc and pastors that have lost the plot themselves - God loves us all and cherishes us all - gay ; lesbian ; and pastors that do not understand the God they represent even . we will all go to heaven there is redemption for all - try the convesation with god books for a new slant on things!!
 
Marie5656 said:
I am more agnostic. I find it hard to believe in a supreme being who believes my niece and her lesbian partner are sinners. Many years ago, I went to my Pastor , sad because I had just learned by gay cousin died from AIDS and instead told me my cousin was not going to Heaven.
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Without proof of a supreme being, we are all free to make up our own. He is mean and ugly to some, and light and love to others. And this is for those that believe in one. I just don't go there.
 
there are some that think that this globe and our existances on it are mere fragments of the sciences - microbial beings that crawled out of the sea or swamps : so its either Darwinism or Godism - even Darwin said that people had misrepresented his thoughts on "origin of the species" Darwin was a man of God not of microbes
 
Marie5656 said:
I am more agnostic. I find it hard to believe in a supreme being who believes my niece and her lesbian partner are sinners. Many years ago, I went to my Pastor , sad because I had just learned by gay cousin died from AIDS and instead told me my cousin was not going to Heaven.
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I am so sorry about your experience with your pastor. You would have received a different answer from me, Marie!
 
davey said:
there are some that think that this globe and our existances on it are mere fragments of the sciences - microbial beings that crawled out of the sea or swamps : so its either Darwinism or Godism - even Darwin said that people had misrepresented his thoughts on "origin of the species" Darwin was a man of God not of microbes
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My professors believed in evolution. It's still God's creation except that it's drawn out over a period of millions and millions of years rather than made in seven days!
 
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