Marian
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What can one say? It’s not that we don’t care. We need GUN CONTROL. I can’t stand to read these things anymore.
Another AR-15 style rifle mass murder
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OldFeller
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Why do so many of you want to say it's America in general?
The vast majority are still law abiding citizens.
The vast majority are still law abiding citizens.
Nathan
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Yep, some kind of toxic male 'ego' boosting fantasy. After the end of the draft the U.S. Armed Forces became all volunteer...starting developing cult-like attraction. Then came the fake Veterans and fake patriots, predominately young males that wern't properly nurtured when young, turn to street gangs, domestic terror groups, become lone wolves etc.
Nathan
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My Ruger Mini 14 semi-auto, fires .223 & 5.56 rounds, has wooden stock...it's considered a ranch rifle. All the wazu, tricked out military effects don't make a rifle more effective, target acquisition does.
Born_To_Lose
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That’s correct. Like the other fellow said, you don’t have to blow their guts all over the landscape. So long as your weapon can do what it’s engineered to do, that’s what matters. I have a number of weapons, both pistols and rifles, but people keep asking why do you have so many weapons. There is a reason, but I’ll keep it to myself.
At last estimate, there are 490,000,000 weapons in the U.S. If the government tried to collect all these weapons, it would be an impossible task. Guns that weren’t confiscated would end up on the black market. No matter what, there will always be guns available in this country.
For the time being, we do need gun control. Longer waiting periods, better psychological check-ups, turn up the age limit to own some guns, like the owner must be 25 or over to own an AR-15 or any AR. Limit the amount of ammo per purchase. It’s not much, but it’s a start.
Doing away with the NRA is no answer.
Nathan
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Of course, but government confiscation is a well worn scary fairytale, peddled by the usual extremist sources.
Agreed, plus re-instituting the ban on assault rifles which expired in 2004. Nobody needs AR type rifles for hunting or home protection.
No, the money is too big, the NRA is safe. But, they lost my respect when they chose to become a corrupting force politically.
againstthegrain
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Actually it would. Cut the head off and the body will die. The NRA is peddling 2A for their own interests to maintain their political power and financial well being at the expense of innocent Americans.
Wayne
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Being armed, trained and prepared allowed dad and I to live together a few more years, we /I am in the minority on here but I know 1st hand what saved us when we were attacked with knives he just suffered being stabbed in his R eye and losing it. I still bear facial cuts and on my arms. My entire life was changed from that day on just proving you never know when nor where things can happen. The 2 street trash thugs that stabbed us did not survive. Their driver was not injured.
everyone seems to all know the right answers and solutions but they just dpn't seem to be able to execute them? - has there been any research ever done to show it seriously effects tourism? - I used to always love the western films but could tell the difference between make believe and reality?
againstthegrain
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Loss of human life means absolutely nothing to many of these people, like the gentleman in the utoob, post #27.......it's "mah rawts!!!" So the tourism industry is the last thing on their mind.
"thoughts and prayers"
Old Salt
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The first four only kill over a period of time!
I n response to the query regarding my post re legality in some states about carrying a gun in your car - just been reading a handful of threads and of course all states have different laws - but couldn't find anything about you must carry a gun? - all I can remember is watching a doco and a driver being interviewed did comment that it was illegal not to carry a gun - obviously lying then?
againstthegrain
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Perhaps you're "misremembering?" Or it was an attempt at sarcasm?
retiredtraveler
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You realize the 2nd Amendment was directed at your lot. The founders were afraid that the Brits would come back, or possibly, other countries might invade. Of course, 'gun people' won't acknowledge the original intention of the amendment. That makes the subject political which can't be discussed on this forum
againstthegrain
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Well had to go to ggl translate on the "fair dinkium mate", I meant sarcasm on the part of the person saying so on the "doco."
Lawrence00
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The USA "is" a violent country and Mexico is worse. Several other countries are much worse.
In the USA we have the right, usually, to protect our own life and the lives of others with guns.
I have had several near misses with violent murderous people in my life.
The violent criminals will always have access to lethal weapons. Unfortunately, certain individuals and groups in government also want, and have shown such, by their actions, that they want to change the USA to be like China.
So yes, the USA citizens need to keep their protection.
The laws and lawyers of the USA, create harmful "precedents" which can then be used to reduce freedom. This is why both political parties fight against new laws where the intention is to reduce the aims of the other. It kind of sucks, and common sense is discarded.
Lock up violent criminals, including teens, and throw away the key.
Put armed police in every school and create a sanctuary for children.
Separate bullies from normal children so they don't create vengeful monsters.
Ban the violent video games and movies that warp the minds of young people.
Put sellers and buyers of hard drugs in their own jail. Dry up the gang and cartel trade.
Provide basic simple free food and housing to everyone so people don't flip out from getting fired and loss of life's basics.
This will stop at least 80% of a violent murderous future.
In the USA we have the right, usually, to protect our own life and the lives of others with guns.
I have had several near misses with violent murderous people in my life.
The violent criminals will always have access to lethal weapons. Unfortunately, certain individuals and groups in government also want, and have shown such, by their actions, that they want to change the USA to be like China.
So yes, the USA citizens need to keep their protection.
The laws and lawyers of the USA, create harmful "precedents" which can then be used to reduce freedom. This is why both political parties fight against new laws where the intention is to reduce the aims of the other. It kind of sucks, and common sense is discarded.
Lock up violent criminals, including teens, and throw away the key.
Put armed police in every school and create a sanctuary for children.
Separate bullies from normal children so they don't create vengeful monsters.
Ban the violent video games and movies that warp the minds of young people.
Put sellers and buyers of hard drugs in their own jail. Dry up the gang and cartel trade.
Provide basic simple free food and housing to everyone so people don't flip out from getting fired and loss of life's basics.
This will stop at least 80% of a violent murderous future.
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Old Salt
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He's making my point. There are so many guns out there that people feel they have to have one as well in order to protect themselves from their armed neighbors. America is never going to be free of guns. Best thing you can hope for is an eventual ban on assault rifles!
Lawrence00
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againstthegrain
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This a strawman argument. NO ONE in the USA wants to be like China in ANY way. This is code for "they wanna take my gunz!!!"
Old Salt
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- New Brunswick, Canada!
Good Lord, the dystopian future is already here! You violated your own constitution in so many of your "solutions" it's just scary!
Nothing says they have a right to AR-15's or any other military guns.
Let's think about the victims. School shootings are absolutely the worst because children should have so much of their lives ahead of them. But it is equally sad when someone has managed to reach their Golden Years and are killed in this manner.
"A mother and daughter were among the victims killed Monday by an 18-year-old gunman indiscriminately shooting into people's cars and houses in Farmington, New Mexico, officials said at a news conference on Tuesday. Three people were killed and two police officers were wounded before the gunman was killed, officials said.
The three victims who died were all elderly women ranging in age from their 70s to over 90. They were identified as Gwendolyn Schofield, 97; her daughter Melody Ivie, 73; and Shirley Voita, 79.
Police said all three were driving through the neighborhood when they were shot. Two individuals died on the scene and one died from her injuries later at San Juan Regional Medical Center."
This shooting was said to be completely random. No race, religion, sexual preference, etc. involved. Some 18 year-old that just decided to go out and kill people.
"A mother and daughter were among the victims killed Monday by an 18-year-old gunman indiscriminately shooting into people's cars and houses in Farmington, New Mexico, officials said at a news conference on Tuesday. Three people were killed and two police officers were wounded before the gunman was killed, officials said.
The three victims who died were all elderly women ranging in age from their 70s to over 90. They were identified as Gwendolyn Schofield, 97; her daughter Melody Ivie, 73; and Shirley Voita, 79.
Police said all three were driving through the neighborhood when they were shot. Two individuals died on the scene and one died from her injuries later at San Juan Regional Medical Center."
This shooting was said to be completely random. No race, religion, sexual preference, etc. involved. Some 18 year-old that just decided to go out and kill people.