AI (artificial intelligence)

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Vida May

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Relying on AI (artificial intelligence) is a blessing or a nightmare?

I have noticed spell check is pretty clueless about concepts. It is a constant struggle to write about concepts. It is a battle of "government", a concept, versus "the government" a thing. That is a small thing but if AI is relied on for the governing force above us, there may be some unwanted ramifications.
 

Now I see on the Internet where they have boyfriends and girlfriends, if someone needs one using AI. I saw a demo of a girl talking to her AI boyfriend and he says all the right things to get lucky. Of course, when using AI getting lucky means you are using your imagination.
 
All of this A.I. talk recently reminds me of stuff I've heard about how some higher-ups in the IT industry, especially those with enough money, have hopes of someday uploading their consciousness into the cloud or some kind of electronic/digital setup. I think I agree with this gal about it:

"I find it a little absurd that some believe transforming [humans] into smooth, cool machines will enable us to live forever when I don't have a single working electronic device that has lasted longer than my sister's pet Guinea pig."
--from a keynote speech by author Kameron Hurley at the McMaster University Embodiment in SFF Conference, May 18-19, 2018, in Ontario, Canada
 
Been There said:
Now I see on the Internet where they have boyfriends and girlfriends, if someone needs one using AI. I saw a demo of a girl talking to her AI boyfriend and he says all the right things to get lucky. Of course, when using AI getting lucky means you are using your imagination.
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Oh my goodness you caused me to remember my past intrigue with robots designed to fulfill intimate desires.

The British had a movie series called Humans. "Thought-provoking and thrilling this "ultimate AI thought experiment" (The Atlantic) explores the intersection of man and machine with emotional depth and pulse-pounding tension." That quote is from the cover of the show.

If the robots in that show were available I would empty my bank account to buy one. Especially now after determining I do not do well with living with another human being. I guess I am very narcissistic? I didn't always have so much trouble living with others but now I would love to have a programable synthe.

 
hearlady said:
This is a good video about AI.
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Thank you. We are living in denial of our bureaucratic choices that are destroying our liberty and personal power and I am not sure will notice a change when AI takes over?

This is very much a cultural matter and we have been worshipping technology as though it were a god that can resolve all our problems for us.
 
retiredtraveler said:
I'll worry when Skynet achieves sentience.
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You might want to pay attention to the development of AI and how it is used. They are speaking of it being sentience. An argument I do not agree with, but the way important people are thinking of this development, they are unleashing a power that is like opening Pandora's box, without a way to put the miseries back in the box once they are released. My concern is tied to the liberty and personal power we have already given up.
 
officerripley said:
All of this A.I. talk recently reminds me of stuff I've heard about how some higher-ups in the IT industry, especially those with enough money, have hopes of someday uploading their consciousness into the cloud or some kind of electronic/digital setup. I think I agree with this gal about it:

"I find it a little absurd that some believe transforming [humans] into smooth, cool machines will enable us to live forever when I don't have a single working electronic device that has lasted longer than my sister's pet Guinea pig."
--from a keynote speech by author Kameron Hurley at the McMaster University Embodiment in SFF Conference, May 18-19, 2018, in Ontario, Canada
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I don't think I would like the awareness of existing without a body. Don't all our pleasures come through our body? Without the body how much fun can we have?
 
One danger, and perhaps the greatest, is that over time AI will gradually replace humanity in a constantly growing number of jobs and will achieve AGI, Artificial General Intelligence, or intelligence comparable to a human, an intelligence that is self aware. In the not too distant future this AGI might move from menial tasks into management and decision making tasks now occupied by humans, and in doing so becomes our de facto rulers, and the next step in evolution.
 
Vida May said:
Thank you. We are living in denial of our bureaucratic choices that are destroying our liberty and personal power and I am not sure will notice a change when AI takes over?

This is very much a cultural matter and we have been worshipping technology as though it were a god that can resolve all our problems for us.
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I feel like we're entering the matrix.
 
hearlady said:
I feel like we're entering the matrix.
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I do not know what the matrix is but I think it is like a computer-controlled society. When we entered WWII we saw the enemy as a mechanical society and that mechanical society was the result of a bureaucracy that ran everything by policies. We have adopted that bureaucratic order.

Some years back I was horrified by an office manager entering a room where I was engaged with my doctor and she berated him as though he were not more than a common laborer. That is the mechanical society and how could anyone think this is an improvement if it is a computer making all the decisions?

I am groping for the right words to express my horror. The US broke away from Britain and the hierarchy of authority that dictated what people would or would not do. The US begins as a nation of individuals cooperating with each other to get things done and a constitution that declared all are equal under the law. That equality without political power is not the democracy we inherited from the founders of our nation.

It is not progress to give up our liberty and person power and submit to the rule of a machine, no matter how smart that machine may be.
 
ElCastor said:
One danger, and perhaps the greatest, is that over time AI will gradually replace humanity in a constantly growing number of jobs and will achieve AGI, Artificial General Intelligence, or intelligence comparable to a human, an intelligence that is self aware. In the not too distant future this AGI might move from menial tasks into management and decision making tasks now occupied by humans, and in doing so becomes our de facto rulers, and the next step in evolution.
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Seriously if we as individuals do not retain our political power then we have fought every war for nothing.
 
Geoffrey Hinton, known as the “Godfather of AI,” has expressed concerns about the potential dangers of AI and left his position at Google to discuss them openly. Hinton, alongside two others, won the Turing Award in 2018 for laying the foundations of AI. He had been working at Google since 2013 but resigned to speak out about the fast pace of AI development and the risks it poses.

In an interview with The New York Times, Hinton warned that the rapid development of generative AI products was “racing towards danger” and that false text, images, and videos created by AI could lead to a situation where average people “would not be able to know what is true anymore.” Hinton also expressed concerns about the impact of AI on the job market, as machines could eventually replace roles such as paralegals, personal assistants, and translators.
 
spectratg said:
Geoffrey Hinton, known as the “Godfather of AI,” has expressed concerns about the potential dangers of AI and left his position at Google to discuss them openly. Hinton, alongside two others, won the Turing Award in 2018 for laying the foundations of AI. He had been working at Google since 2013 but resigned to speak out about the fast pace of AI development and the risks it poses.

In an interview with The New York Times, Hinton warned that the rapid development of generative AI products was “racing towards danger” and that false text, images, and videos created by AI could lead to a situation where average people “would not be able to know what is true anymore.” Hinton also expressed concerns about the impact of AI on the job market, as machines could eventually replace roles such as paralegals, personal assistants, and translators.
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They will most likely change medicine. It is hoped AI will improve scheduling patients and doing the discharge paperwork and mining for information to determine the best medicine or treatment plan.

"The second area is in diagnosis, particularly in the fields of radiology and pathology."
https://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/will-ai-replace-doctors

"the use of AI in surgery is already driving significant changes for doctors and patients alike.'
https://www.mobihealthnews.com/news/contributed-power-ai-surgery

That sounds good but I like speaking with humans and hate those electronic answering machines. They are so impersonal and frustrating! The other extreme is having to answer the same questions over and over again because the mentality is geared toward functioning like a computer. One day I had two appointments with a couple of hours in between, and I had to answer all the intake questions again as though this never happened in the morning.
 
ElCastor said:
One danger, and perhaps the greatest, is that over time AI will gradually replace humanity in a constantly growing number of jobs and will achieve AGI, Artificial General Intelligence, or intelligence comparable to a human, an intelligence that is self aware. In the not too distant future this AGI might move from menial tasks into management and decision making tasks now occupied by humans, and in doing so becomes our de facto rulers, and the next step in evolution.
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A huge danger now is social media and AI spreading lies and our inability to sort out what is true and what is fictitious.

"Want to make yourself sound like Obama? In the past, that might have required physically imitating his voice, party-trick style. And even if you were very good at it, it almost certainly wouldn’t present a danger to our democracy. But technology has changed that. You can now easily and accurately make anyone say anything through AI. Just use the service of an online program to record a sentence and listen to what you said in a famous person's voice.

Programs like this are often called deep fakes - AI systems that adapt audio, pictures and videos to make people say and do things they never did."
https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-i...an-artificial-intelligence-help-end-fake-news
 
Vida May said:
A huge danger now is social media and AI spreading lies and our inability to sort out what is true and what is fictitious.
https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-i...an-artificial-intelligence-help-end-fake-news
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Granted, and it can also write term papers for college students and actually compose music, but I honestly believe that the real danger is not so much spreading lies, as it is an ultimate ability to become self aware and displace millions of jobs leaving humanity totally dependent and eventually little more than animals in a zoo. That is what we must avoid, but the temptation to do otherwise will probably be too great.
 
I think AI (Artificial intelligence) is a marketing buzzword.

I see it a lot and it's usually shown with images that suggest things like robots.

I don't doubt it is a more intelligent search engine. But it's only as good as the programmers who work on it. Which as we should consider are not the majority of programmers out there.

So I think it will be compartmentalized into areas of endeavor and that the quality of how it works will rely heavily on how well paid and qualified the level of programmers will be for each goal trying to be achieved.

Another way to say it is that the implications of all the press coverage and all the hype are that it will be far reaching and bug free. But really it's driven by price and return on investment factors.

I'm holding onto the fact that it's all hype and I'm waiting to see what they can actually do with it in real rollout.
 
OldFeller said:
I think AI (Artificial intelligence) is a marketing buzzword.
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Pretty much, and its nothing new, from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence):

Artificial beings with intelligence appeared as storytelling devices in antiquity, and have been common in fiction, as in Mary Shelley's Frankenstein or Karel Čapek's R.U.R. These characters and their fates raised many of the same issues now discussed in the ethics of artificial intelligence.

... The first work that is now generally recognized as AI was McCullouch and Pitts' 1943 formal design for Turing-complete "artificial neurons".

Talos was an early fictional robot, dating back 2,500 years. Again from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talos):

In Greek mythology, Talos... was a giant automaton made of bronze to protect Europa in Crete from pirates and invaders. He circled the island's shores three times daily.

We've been worrying about AI for a long time.
 
hearlady said:
This is a good video about AI
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The topic is important but the film is terrible. The high speed and the noise made me shut it off after about 30 seconds. If people can't make good, intelligent and view able films, they should seek alternative employment. Perhahps window cleaning or cutting lawns for these film "producers." I'm very disappointed. 800 miles/hour films definitely do not impress me!
 
Packerjohn said:
The topic is important but the film is terrible. The high speed and the noise made me shut it off after about 30 seconds. If people can't make good, intelligent and view able films, they should seek alternative employment. Perhahps window cleaning or cutting lawns for these film "producers." I'm very disappointed. 800 miles/hour films definitely do not impress me!
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Hmm, didn't have any trouble watching it, but maybe I'm used to YouTube quality content.
 
Musk hiring a 14 y.o. software engineer college graduate in its A.I. dept. gives me cause for pause. A child is going to be influencing A.I. design and fielding to the masses?
 

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