What do you believe, do animals, pets have souls?

Anthony Douglas Williams
“When I look into the eyes of an animal, I do not see an animal. I see a living being. I see a friend. I feel a soul.”
“There are many great minds on earth and not all are human.”
“When I look into the eyes of an animal I do not see an animal. I see a living being. I see a friend. I feel a soul.”
“Be kind to all kinds, not just humankind”



they live.jpg
 
squatting dog said:
Anthony Douglas Williams
“When I look into the eyes of an animal, I do not see an animal. I see a living being. I see a friend. I feel a soul.”
“There are many great minds on earth and not all are human.”
“When I look into the eyes of an animal I do not see an animal. I see a living being. I see a friend. I feel a soul.”
“Be kind to all kinds, not just humankind”



View attachment 289885
Click to expand...
The problem is that when some animals look you in the eye, they see a meal.
 

David777, it goes even further than that. Yesterday's paper had a serious article speculating on whether plants have consciousness and emotions. It was not a satire, it was a regular news article. (Maybe a slow news day?)

So, before you cut down that tree that is blocking your view, please consider how the tree feels about it, and what you are doing to its soul.

If everything alive has a "soul," that would include weeds, germs, creepy life forms such as mold. Why limit it to humans and animals we happen to like?
 
Avon said:
Great, so they will be crapping all over heaven as they do outside my gate in the grass now. And I assume we have to wear sandals in heaven?
Click to expand...
There shall be no crapping nor cleaning of crap in heaven!

As the life long bathroom cleaner, kitty litter changer and backyard shoveler for my families, I've already decided that.

As for animals and souls, I have no idea, but I do believe God made dogs to help teach us how to love, so they'll probably be there as a reward for all their hard work.
 
David777 said:
Ideas about the vague term "souls" have always been within the realm of metaphysics whether religious or philosophical, lacking any hypothetical ideas or connection to science. In fact, such would be one of the first things most atheist scientists might shake their heads at as utter nonsense. And in this modern telecom science age, is another long held religious idea that feeds increasing numbers of unbelievers logic to leave religions. One reason I'm on this public forum is to have a casual soapbox to express some of my own unique ideas including such subjects of mind, consciousness, and neuroscience. However, I as a strong science oriented person, very much do not view "soul" as nonsense. And what may seem ironic to others, base leaning so on science itself though won't attempt to explain such herein beyond a terse following summary.

Within all organic animal creatures, but not plants are complex very low voltage oscillating electromagnetic fields. In fact all life, even that of plants, bacteria, and viruses, are structured around cells that have cell membrane outer walls consisting of back to back dual organic bilipid molecules that keep certain aqueous substances inside and other extracellular aqueous substances out. Bilipid molecules with two ends, have their water dissolvable, wettable hydrophilic ends connected together internally end to end, with their other hydrophobic, water repelling ends to either wall sides out. Thus form a wall that blocks external water soluble substances from moving in and those inside cells from moving out.

Such organic cell walls have complex life evolved protein channels through those walls that let only specific substance in including nutrients. A most key process that evolved life solved, was actively pumping via protein motor processes, negative ions from outside extracellular aqueous environments through such channels into cells and conversely pumping positive ions out of cells in order to create a steady negative voltage gradient from the external to internal that is usually around 80 millivolts (0.08 volts). Accordingly, all organic Earth life at their most basic levels are voltage systems. Animal species cells evolved further, especially chordates with dorsal hollow nerve cords termed notocords, to oscillate those low voltages within such cellular nerve cell containers in order to connect cells sensing outer environments to other internal nerve mechanisms that control movement, awareness, and function.

In more complex higher creatures, such voltage oscillations are termed brain waves. However current science despite many exceptional humans working on such neuroscience, IMO have mental blocks preventing them from grasping the purpose of such oscillating voltage fields while instead viewing brains more in the way of sequential voltage propagation of conventional electronic circuits while expecting the fields are mere epiphenomenon of core nerve cell action potential impulses. At the same time they are endlessly stumped wondering how it can be possible for what we holistically experience as mind, feeling, and being consciously aware of our whole bodies.

My explanation is that it is the whole electromagnetic fields within those organic nervous system impedance containers that is aware experiential animal life. Thus as intelligent entities, we are not our bodies or our nervous systems but rather those complex oscillating brainwave fields within. If such is true, then not only do we humans have mind but also all animal life from amoeba to worms to ants to fish to mice to humans including one's pets.

If there are Ultimate Intelligent Entities, I term UIEs, in the universe as I have mentioned in the past on this board, and they as non-organic, essentially immortal if not physically destroyed entities, visited our world as I suggest, then it is those electromagnetic fields that they might have figured out how to reproduce outside life bodies in order to also give those entities they allow and save for such, an immortal existence. If Jesus as I choose to believe is from such UIEs, then they might vaguely describe for the sake of we science primitives, such fields as "soul". And yes that includes the "soul" of not only humans but any other earth animal lifeforms including Max the Wonderdog and Peaches the Cat.
Click to expand...
very interesting David, yes, I do remember some of your past universe posts in the forum...
 
LadyEmeraude said:
We live on this earth with animals, and our pets. We live with animals that God makes, or you might believe that a God/supreme being has nothing to do with it. Many have pets that make their life happier and much better, at least I feel so..

We and as pet owners, will face the loss of our beloved pets, and we know that can be so hard sometimes, and it can be painful to remember that our pet is gone, but we also have some beautiful special memories, many of us do.

So, do you think pets have souls? Anything about it..
Click to expand...
Of course, better souls than any human being.
 
Lizzie00 said:
Thanks for clearing THAT up…😂
Click to expand...
Seems Heaven is not going to be fun for the Cow Dung Beetle. Must have a word with the Unicorns that live in my woods, they know all things.
On a serious note, I really LOVE this song, it brings tears to my eyes, then I am really an old softie.

 
Sunny said:
David777, it goes even further than that. Yesterday's paper had a serious article speculating on whether plants have consciousness and emotions. It was not a satire, it was a regular news article. (Maybe a slow news day?)

So, before you cut down that tree that is blocking your view, please consider how the tree feels about it, and what you are doing to its soul.

If everything alive has a "soul," that would include weeds, germs, creepy life forms such as mold. Why limit it to humans and animals we happen to like?
Click to expand...
Actually the concept that plant life has 'consciousness' goes back to several very old cultures including Western hemisphere indigenous peoples and the Celts. who revered trees. But i recall it being 'scientifically' explored by Cleve Backster from the late 60s thru the 80s. It is in fact one of the reasons i don't accept the 'moral' argument for being vegan. We have accept that we live in physical, incarnate world--and basically most all forms of life consume either other forms or things produced by other forms.

What is important IMO is to:
1) Appreciate what your food sources gives you
2) Waste as little as possible
 
As my post noted, all cellular Earth life have cells with impermeable voltage membranes that selectively allow substances to pass through in either direction. The primary difference between plant and animal life is that, animals from amoeba to whales developed fast reacting voltage controlling nervous systems from more ancient evolved cell membrane voltage functions. Otherwise plants control their internal functions much more slowly with circulating chemicals. But note, chemical functions at close molecular atomic distance ranges also use electromagnetic effects. A key difference is plants don't propagate across further plant structures that with plants would not be of evolutionary advantage. Also note, animals also still use even more complex chemical controls below their nervous systems.

That noted, it is possible some plants may have evolved more subtle electromagnetic effects for evolutionary advantages. For instance bumble bees are hypothesized to be able to sense the cell membrane voltages of flowers. It would be interesting to read of research that shows how quickly trees at roots are able to react to losing branches from their tree tops. If such occurred more quickly than chemical or water pressure effects allow, the notion plants are responding to fields somehow would have some credibility. But such would be a stretch even if so, to equate the nature of animal system nervous system sensations versus plant reactions.

Beyond lifeforms, all matter involves vibrating atomic matter that itself are structures of energy. Atomic vibrations are particularly evident as thermal radiation that unless at absolute zero temperatures (impossible) continuously radiate. That is the basis of those like @Gaer that believe such is also a form of universal energy interactions. Thus two otherwise identical antimatter particles, say a proton and an anti-proton, upon contact, change into pure energy that indicates their basic natures are some kind of complex energy structures that unravel. So in a sense electromagnetic radiations is continuously being radiated at light speeds between, we humans, a fish, a tree, a rock, or a lake water surface, the Moon, and all else.
 
Last edited:
Alligatorob said:
Yep! Makes arguing about it pointless. But talking about it, that can be interesting.
Click to expand...
Sometimes. Some people don't know the difference between discussing and arguing. And some other people don't bother to carefully read other people's remarks before taking issue with them. More than once someone has gotten very hostile with me claiming i stated something in too absolute terms or tarred all people in a group with the same brush---when if they'd read the 'offending' post carefully--i had qualifiers. Usually a LOT, i don't talk in absolutes much except when stating my belief.
 
I know I want to believe what feels good. The idea of reincarnation feels good. Is it true? Beats me.
The idea of humans (and animals) having souls feels wonderful. Is it true? I have no clue.
Joining loved ones in heaven is such a soothing idea. Is it true? Don't know.
Most of us adhere to belief systems that we were taught in childhood. These belief systems are emotionally comfortable. Nobody I've met so far has any proof one way or the other.
 
I don't know whether or not animals have souls. It's kind of a hard thing to research. It would be nice though.
 

Attachments

  • cat 23.jpg
    cat 23.jpg
    154.5 KB · Views: 1
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top