Senseless shootings rattle US

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Jamala said:
Thank you but I have a pretty good idea.
I have relatives who are US citizens.
The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of the United States of America. It superseded the Articles of Confederation, the nation's first constitution, in 1789.
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Not quite, the US Constitution is a set fundamental rules that dictate how our country should be governed. Laws are made by legislative bodies and the state and Federal level. When a law is challenged as to whether Or not the law is Constitutional, the Supreme Court makes the determination.
Warrigal said:
????? Not getting your drift. What is a "high level view"?
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Alligatorob said:
I have said it before, but will do it again.

My instinct is to limit government control to the extent possible. So my gut feeling is to side with the gun rights people, and I used to. However with time I have changed. Now I don't believe the freedom to own guns that we have in the US is worth the loss of life it appears to me to be causing. However to an extent I know my belief is based on incomplete information, most are. This is a quote from what I believe was a very good and minimally biased study on a part of the gun rights thing:

Some studies find that right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime, others find that the effects are negligible, and still others find that such laws increase violent crime. The committee concludes that it is not possible to reach any scientifically supported conclusion because of (a) the sensitivity of the empirical results to seemingly minor changes in model specification, (b) a lack of robustness of the results to the inclusion of more recent years of data (during which there were many more law changes than in the earlier period), and (c) the statistical imprecision of the results. The evidence to date does not adequately indicate either the sign or the magnitude of a causal link between the passage of right-to-carry laws and crime rates. Furthermore, this uncertainty is not likely to be resolved with the existing data and methods. If further headway is to be made, in the committee's judgment, new analytical approaches and data are needed.
https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/concealed-carry/violent-crime.html

It seems to me there are two basic reasons to oppose greater gun control:
  1. A belief that the risks of gun ownership are justified in the interest of freedom, that we can accept the violence as the price we pay for the freedom. This is not an all together irrational thing, we accept such risks in return for freedom in many ways. Driving is a good example, we regulate it but it's likely that lower speed limits, more restrictions on drivers, etc would save lives. We have struck a balance. With respect to guns I would be happier with more control than we have now... but I can understand people who don't agree.
  2. A belief that we are safer with more guns than without. I don't believe this is true, but as the citation above says it is hard to really know from available studies and data. If further and better research shows I am wrong I would change my opinion.
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There are thousands of gun laws already on the books in the US. Do you really think more are going to do my good? What is the plan to disarm criminals? Why don’t DAs prosecute gun law violations? Why hasn’t anyone tried to repeal the Second?
 
911 said:
People can debate guns and gun safety until the cows come home, but until someone actually does something to at least get a foot in the door, it will remain a debate between those that are for and those that are against gun ownership.

With the number of guns people have and then add in the military and police, I doubt if all the guns could all be collected. Making it a law to turn your guns in is not a good way to begin and besides, we wouldn't want to live in a country where only the government and the police have the weapons. That would make us a police state and I am sure we wouldn't want to go that way.

If I remember my history correctly, I think we had tighter gun control during the pre-Revolution era. After the Constitution was amended and altered a time or two and the second amendment was interpreted, gun ownership went on the rise soon after the second and fourteenth amendments were adopted. (Not 100% certain I'm correct about that last statement.)
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Our pre-Revolution gun laws were the same as Englands. The Revolution is the reason for the Second Amendment.
 

Don M. said:
There are so many "lunatics" roaming our streets, anymore, that it is almost a necessity to constantly "look over your shoulder" when out in public....especially in the cities.
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This is why I bring Aunt Mavis along. She packs a nasty weapon, a purse loaded with at least 4 Rainier Beers. Pow!!
 
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No matter what, guns aren't going away anytime soon. There may be some restrictions as to size or a similar exclusion within the next 5 years, but other than that, guns are here to stay for a longer period.

This is another political issue. Everyone knows the one party will vote against almost anything to do with removing or reducing the number of guns. There are people that are part of the other party that are also against anything to do with amending the second amendment. They know that the other party will not give in and give the two-thirds vote to amend the constitution and so they allow them to make themselves the villains on this issue. "It's ALL there fault!"
Daisy the Dog said:
Our pre-Revolution gun laws were the same as Englands. The Revolution is the reason for the Second Amendment.
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It was more than just because of the second amendment.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
BTW, 3 minutes after I posted this 5 more killed and 2 kids shot in Philly.
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Now we know who has been arrested for the Philly shooting.

EXCLUSIVE: Cross-dressing gunman behind July 4 Philly bloodbath that left five dead is BLM supporter who made chilling Facebook posts about 'black massacres' and 'evil spirits'​


The Philadelphia gunman who left five dead has been unmasked as a cross-dressing Black Lives Matter supporter who made chilling Facebook posts about 'evil spirits.'

Kimbrady Carriker, 40, shot dead four men and a 15-year-old boy in the Kingsessing neighborhood on the eve of the Fourth of July.

He is now in custody and facing multiple murder charges after rampaging through the streets with an AR-15, a handgun and wearing a ballistic vest.

The killer has now been revealed to be a computer nerd who was obsessed by firearms - even posting video a few days ago of children at a gun range.

Facebook posts from March 2022 show Carriker dressed as a woman, wearing a bra, hooped earrings and gold bracelets.

He had posted eerie articles to Facebook titled: 'How do you know if an evil spirit is following you,' as well as a photo of a map listing historic 'black massacres' throughout the US with the caption stating: 'We kept the receipts.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...y-bloodbath-left-five-dead-BLM-supporter.html

There are more photos at the Daily Mail link.
 

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The US can't do away with the 2nd amendment.
There isn't enough jails to hold all the Americans that would still have guns.
Plus, the black market would thrive. We would go from being taxpayers to living off the government. How long do you think the country would last then? a week, a month?
 
Sippican said:
Meaning there are many ways that 'shootings' are calculated in different countries.

The point is, numbers are not just numbers. To say banning AR-15s does not address the problems the US is experiencing vs ALL other countries. There is per capita. Sure Australia has low numbers because
1) there are a lot less people in Australia than the US, Agreed but that is why statistics that give tallies on a per 1000 basis are more informative. On that basis US is suffering deaths by firearms at an alarming rate compared to other countries in the anglosphere. 2) We have wide open borders, where countries are opening their jails and shipping their criminals to the US border, Agree that being an island continent, Australia has the advantage here. However customs is kept busy confiscating illegal guns being smuggled in from US. We don't actually manufacture firearms ourselves. 3) We also have the most lenient laws given our socialist political climate. Including the most lenient gun laws. Criminals are free to wander the streets, killing time and time again after our justice systems allows them to roam free, A bit of an exaggeration surely? I cannot believe that law enforcement and the justice system is indifferent to serial killers walking free. 4) mental health facilities are releasing mentally ill people to the streets........Underfunding of such services is always a problem. US is not alone here. There are so many factors that are not being discussed, but the focus is always banning guns first. Raw numbers do not tell the whole picture. Gotta go now, but thanks for the response to my puzzlement.
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Daisy the Dog said:
Not quite, the US Constitution is a set fundamental rules that dictate how our country should be governed. Laws are made by legislative bodies and the state and Federal level. When a law is challenged as to whether Or not the law is Constitutional, the Supreme Court makes the determination.
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No, the Constitution is not a set of rules, it is the law of the land. Ever hear of the "Common Law"?
 
Daisy the Dog said:
Not quite, the US Constitution is a set fundamental rules that dictate how our country should be governed. Laws are made by legislative bodies and the state and Federal level. When a law is challenged as to whether Or not the law is Constitutional, the Supreme Court makes the determination.
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Maybe you should go back and read what Costitutional Law is all about.
Lesson 1: do not argue about something if you don't have the correct
information :)
 
Naturally said:
You'd have a hard time explaining to any prison inmate that spoons don't kill people.
Criminals will find any means regardless of laws ... Inmate executed for killing a prison guard with a spoon
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chic said:
You're killing yourself. Aren't you a person? Isn't there an intent to kill behind chronic overeating? Killing of oneself. :unsure:
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Come on guys ! Seriously?
How many mass killings have been done with a spoon? If using a spoon could kill 30 people in 5.6 seconds flat, you’d ALL be purchasing spoons instead of guns.

And as far as my eating habits go?
You are totally grasping at straws with that one. Even if I was overeating and it killed me it’s not intentional murder. INTENT is a crucial factor here. The spoon theory is pathetic guys and you both know it.
 
Jamala said:
Maybe you should go back and read what Costitutional Law is all about.
Lesson 1: do not argue about something if you don't have the correct
information :)
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Well, seems I’ve found my first nasty person here. Tip: I don’t give a hoot what a foreigner thinks about my country or its Constitution. The US Constitution is the basis for how how our government operates and the basis on which all governmental action, NOT JUST LAWS, are deemed lawful or unlawful. Just because the word ”law” is in something, doesn’t mean it is itself a law. Period. Now, toddle on off and go courtesy to Charlie.
 
ohioboy said:
No, the Constitution is not a set of rules, it is the law of the land. Ever hear of the "Common Law"?
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Yes A SET OF RULES! GEEZ! What does “common law” have to do with it? Every hear of “Common Law Marriage”? Where is that in the Constitution.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and Article VI
”…PURSUANT THEREOF!” LAWS are made based off the RULES in the CONSTITUTION! GEEZ! I
 

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