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[feywon]

Actually I know people who NEVER have, even once. This is friends and family. I don't have deja vu much which is why I ask if many have and I guess it's more common than I thought?

Probably. i had it more often when i was young and moved around a lot--so it would really stand out if i felt it in a place i'd never been before. At this stage of life i have to double check that i've done routine things because i'm unsure if i remember them from 'just' doing them moments ago or because i always do them certain times of day or when leaving the house.

 

[OneEyedDiva]

Probably. i had it more often when i was young and moved around a lot--so it would really stand out if i felt it in a place i'd never been before. At this stage of life i have to double check that i've done routine things because i'm unsure if i remember them from 'just' doing them moments ago or because i always do them certain times of day or when leaving the house.

I know what you mean!

 

[feywon]

Regarding Deja Vu. Some it explain it as our minds fabricating the 'memory' images, others as some glitch or 'malfunction' in the processes that move current perceptions into memory. Some things--especially those subject change (road, weather conditions of a familiar route) don't need to 'stored' long term, like we want landmarks or turns that tricky even in good conditions, precisely because any given day the conditions might be different while the route itself stays the same over long periods. Somehow a new event gets moved into long term memory and we 'recall' it even tho it just happened. Not sure those 'explanations' work for every incident of Deja Vu.

Some people think we may have dreamed the perceptions and mislabeled them actual memories. One argument against that is the nature of the incidents---usually very minor and unremarkable. Not the sort we'd likely remember dreaming about because we would not have thought about them enough once awake to fix them in our memories. Plus remarkable incidents of Deja Vu, where something extraordinary happens are more likely to result from having a precognitive dream about them -- but then we'd likely remember dreaming some slightly altered, symbolic version of the incident with only some details matching exactly--because dreams often have surreal and symbolic components.

Do want to mention, tho doesn't pertain to Deja Vu, if we remember a dream from very early child hood, when our verbal skills still minimal so we would not have been able to process it using words even to ourselves, it is generally stored as strictly images (and if lucid, sensations), and we might possibly remember someone else in dream saying a short sentence or single word to us.

i know this because for years i carried a 'false memory' of something happening in the house my earliest memories are from that couldn't have happened because it happened in a shower---which did not exist in that house--no running water in the couple of cold months water was heared for baths in tin tub, outhouse and 'chamber pot' toilet. i only realized the true nature of the images when in my early 30s i was talking to older sister about the lay out of that house. In drawing mine i realized i didn't recall where the shower was.
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Also want to mention there is an opposite phenomenon:
Cryptomnesia: The appearance in consciousness of memory images which are not recognized as such but which appear as original creations. In other words we think we 'imagined', fabricated/imagined the images.
i learned this watching an interview with Ethan Peck (Spock on ST: Strange New Worlds). One of the standard questions for the series of interviews done by a magazine is 'Have you ever experienced Deja Vu.' His reply was 'No, I don't think so. But I recently learned there is a phenomenon that's kind of the reverse, Cryptomnesia.'

 

[Murrmurr]

This isn't a reincarnation story, it's just a really weird and intriguing one. (and true)

I have this memory from when I was 5. My family had moved to my grandparents dairy farm about a week before this happened; I was wandering around the huge pasture, finding mole and jackrabbit burrows, poking a twig into an ant colony's digs and counting cow-pies when I came upon a small cluster of elm trees. I was startled to see a man standing next to one of them, but he looked very friendly, and he smiled real nice and said "Well, hello, young man."

He asked me what I was doing, and I told him we'd just moved there and I was exploring. He said "Of course; there's a lot to explore here."

I asked his name and he said "Same as yours," but I hadn't told him my name yet, so I responded, "Mickey?" Mickey is my nick-name.

The man laughed and said, "Well, no. It's the same as your real name."

The man looked kind of old to me; balding and a bit wrinkled; and he was dressed all in white. A white shirt and trousers, even his shoes were white, and all of it was very clean and neat.

That seemed out-of-place, unless he was a milk delivery man, so I asked, "Do you have a farm?" He said he wasn't a farmer, he was a traveler. I found that explanation acceptable.

We chatted for only a few more minutes, and then I told him I had to go; it was getting close to dinnertime.

I only occasionally recalled that day over the next 61 years, but I could remember the man's face very distinctly each time. And three years ago, when I looked in the mirror after shaving off my goatee and permanent stubble one morning, that memory suddenly popped in my head, and it hit me....hard.

It was mine. No doubt about it, that man's face was my 63yr-old face.

 

[Pepper]

Great story @Murrmurr! Wow.

 

[feywon]

This isn't a reincarnation story, it's just a really weird and intriguing one. (and true)

I have this memory from when I was 5. My family had moved to my grandparents dairy farm about a week before this happened; I was wandering around the huge pasture, finding mole and jackrabbit burrows, poking a twig into an ant colony's digs and counting cow-pies when I came upon a small cluster of elm trees. I was startled to see a man standing next to one of them, but he looked very friendly, and he smiled real nice and said "Well, hello, young man."

He asked me what I was doing, and I told him we'd just moved there and I was exploring. He said "Of course; there's a lot to explore here."

I asked his name and he said "Same as yours," but I hadn't told him my name yet, so I responded, "Mickey?" Mickey is my nick-name.

The man laughed and said, "Well, no. It's the same as your real name."

The man looked kind of old to me; balding and a bit wrinkled; and he was dressed all in white. A white shirt and trousers, even his shoes were white, and all of it was very clean and neat.

That seemed out-of-place, unless he was a milk delivery man, so I asked, "Do you have a farm?" He said he wasn't a farmer, he was a traveler. I found that explanation acceptable.

We chatted for only a few more minutes, and then I told him I had to go; it was getting close to dinnertime.

I only occasionally recalled that day over the next 61 years, but I could remember the man's face very distinctly each time. And three years ago, when I looked in the mirror after shaving off my goatee and permanent stubble one morning, that memory suddenly popped in my head, and it hit me....hard.

It was mine. No doubt about it, that man's face was my 63yr-old face.

Thanks for sharing.
One possibility which i suspected from the start of it: You met yourself in a 'time-slip' event. Not the same as a dimensional slip, tho there can be similarities.

 

[Murrmurr]

Thanks for sharing.
One possibility which i suspected from the start of it: You met yourself in a 'time-slip' event. Not the same as a dimensional slip, tho there can be similarities.

I've considered that ever since.

Could be a false memory, possibly triggered by one or more of my features, but I feel certain it's the same face I've remembered since age 5.

 

[Paco Dennis]

I did some taking with Google and she lead me to this video. The University of Virginia has a department that has collected over 2500 files on reports of young children who remember there past life. Very compelling.

If this close to proof, I would suggest that the mysteries that we exist in can only experienced and never understood.

 

[feywon]

I did some taking with Google and she lead me to this video. The University of Virginia has a department that has collected over 2500 files on reports of young children who remember there past life. Very compelling.

If this close to proof, I would suggest that the mysteries that we exist in can only experienced and never understood.

As i said in my OP, it is more acceptable in some countries/cultures than others, just as routinely sharing, talking about, examining one's dreams are. But there have been American researchers since the middle of the last 20th century who were taking a serious assessments of accounts of reincarnation.

 

[chic]

It must be an interesting and convincing experience for people to have of a past life. I haven't had one that seemed really clear and personal.

 

[Chet]

No such thing as reincarnation. If the matter that is you is allowed to return to the soil, some of those elements could be part of future life though.

Any deja vu experience is just the imagination of a wandering mind.

 

[helenbacque]

No such thing as reincarnation. If the matter that is you is allowed to return to the soil, some of those elements could be part of future life.

Any deja vu experience is just the imagination of a wandering mind.

And you KNOW this how?

 

[feywon]

And you KNOW this how?

It is his opinion, and he's entitled to it. To be fair he didn't use the word 'know'. But different people use that word differently. Even if he had used the word he could not prove his statement, only affirm it is his belief that his statement is some kind of universal fact.

i sometimes find it amusing (tho also annoying) when people come on threads they clearly have NO sincere interest in to make pronouncements of their thoughts/feelings on the matter as if their opinion is going cause people who have actual experience with whatever to abandon all their 'experiential conclusions' (in this case from multiple lifetimes).

Again to be fair, we can't prove our belief that reincarnation is real (not to some people's satisfaction anyway). But if you think something is utter poppycock---why enter the conversation at all? While we have a wide range of personalities on SF, we're all seniors---it is not like anyone should be concerned about influencing impressionable young minds.