Illinois Has An Assault Weapons Ban, Makes Me Think About Moving to Illinois!

It's too easy to get political with the thread. I can risk the following, ..... I guess?

Talking legal owner ship is a good way. A judge said the Illinois law is unconstitutional.
Sure, it is most likely a FFL anemic society. Firearm mfg.'s are relocating.

I choose not to own a rifle larger than a 22 long. very accurate out 100 yards. I chose to be CCL certified and know 10 feet is a great self-defense area of threat. Beyond gets very self-destructive.

I never intend to harm anyone accidentally. Hope I put gold bricks down on the Lords streets for him. Haha

Crazy is Crazy and they will do stuff over and over again. Maybe drive a pickup truck into a large crowd at a State Fair or somewhere else
where a lot of defenseless children are. there is no definitive answer to how a human mind is going to work at the time.

Still there are a lot more dangerous things going on than firearms......

Cell phones and driving, driving and hate crimes, driving crazy to get somewhere when the traffic is 6mph. haha.

Maybe the point of it all is even our esteem legal elected leaders are actually mentally illness 3 point landed! think about it.
Real harm number wise in the Country every year since the purchase of the first auto 100 + years ago. 1,000,000's are harmed every year.

Remember the road design is because of a couple of horses ass's width.

There are lots of State Insane Asylums that stand as a marker to the use of Drugs to orient the citizens to sanity. Haha
Want to ask about crazy? Now Hospitals have crazy floors with 100% watch on them addicts etc.

Basically modern society is nutz is maybe the best answer. Nukes will end it all. You can only count on that one answer as factual!

Back before the Soviet Union folded it was nuke ware every day of the week 24/7's on the news. Since its all about social wellfare. Its all about selling add space! They don't give a damb!

You are more at risk than ever of needing Iodine pills for your families than ever in modern time.

Maybe all I really can offer is, "stay alert, always watchful when you are outside your home, not fear but fearlessly alert for shit happening.

Will you be a cowardly lamb or a responsible citizen of your community? It's your choice, you will only have moments to choose, maybe?
 

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The actual main thesis for restricting access to assault rifles is one that gets ignored/glossed over by emotional rhetoric and belief.

The whole idea is this: Assault rifles can take a lot of lives very easily and quickly, which is exactly what they were designed to do.

If you restrict access to these weapons, you mathematically reduce the ability of a would-be murderer to kill lots of people easily and quickly.
Contrary to what some people have been led to believe, you 2nd Amendment rights are unaffected, not in the least. You can arm yourself for self defense, own hunting rifles for hunting, hell you can even own and possess firearms for that well regulated Militia you've been meaning to join, to defend the Nation.
 
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OldFeller said:
Here's a thought. If it's general knowledge that the entire state is assault weapon free, doesn't that just paint a big target on all the residents' backs?

I live in a large US city and what keeps people away is the uncertainty of how dangerous you potentially are.

Look at where the mass school shootings occur. They happen in nice peaceful communities where the shooters feel they can approach unnoticed and where people are unarmed and not dangerous.

In the city, everybody carries himself as if he's not taking any crap from anybody. And they keep alert and ready for trouble. And some of them are carrying.
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Is this true of all large U.S. cities? What a dreadful way to have to live, constantly looking over your shoulder! It might be true in Canada as well. I have no idea since I always lived in medium sized cities, also in small communities in the country and never felt unsafe anywhere!
 

Old Salt said:
Is this true of all large U.S. cities? What a dreadful way to have to live, constantly looking over your shoulder! It might be true in Canada as well. I have no idea since I always lived in medium sized cities, also in small communities in the country and never felt unsafe anywhere!
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Me, my thoughts, if I lived in open spaces where cold was the worst thought I would worry most about starvation and freezing alone. I read that once somewhere where they ate Nite Shade and slowly starved. Ugh, now thas an awful ending experienced. Uh huh.
 
Old Salt said:
Is this true of all large U.S. cities? What a dreadful way to have to live, constantly looking over your shoulder! It might be true in Canada as well. I have no idea since I always lived in medium sized cities, also in small communities in the country and never felt unsafe anywhere!
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It's true of known dangerous areas of the city. Usually there are some obvious characters hanging around and you want to give the impression that you're no one to mess around with. I attended college in a really bad neighborhood and travelled there by public transportation (buses and elevated rail). It's not dreadful when you've been raised since birth to stay aware and show your teeth when you have to.

I lived for a short time in a small town in CT (after college and getting married) with a population of 61,000. My landlord used to laugh at us because we locked our car doors.
 
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Paladin1950 said:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/illi...ssault-weapons-ban_n_64d647f3e4b0c737a5830f2e

One party tried to claim that it violates their 2nd Amendment rights. Which of course is totally nonsense since they can still have guns and rifles that are not assault weapons.
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Thank God that there are several legal challenges.
Its Illinois, Chicago is the most stringent gun laws, and the continued increase weekly gun related crimes being committed, including homicides.
The article points to 70 shots fired. Any gun can do the same.
The Second Amendment doesn't state types of guns. This will get overturned.
 
Nathan said:
The actual main thesis for restricting access to assault rifles is one that gets ignored/glossed over by those who's emotions have been whipped up by some media.

The whole idea is this: Assault rifles can take a lot of lives very easily and quickly, which is exactly what they were designed to do.

If you restrict access to these weapons, you mathematically reduce the ability of a would-be murderer to kill lots of people easily and quickly.
Contrary to what some people have been indoctrinated to believe, you 2nd Amendment rights are unaffected, not in the least. You can arm yourself for self defense, own hunting rifles for hunting, hell you can even own and possess firearms for that well regulated Militia you've been meaning to join, to defend the Nation.
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Talk about being 'whipped up by some media'.
Time to bring up reality.
Saul Alinsky describes in his book on how to introduce Socialism/Marxism to a reluctant society is to do it is smaller segments, one is disarming citizens. The attacks on the Second Amendment is one of those small pieces.
Another small piece was decades ago by releasing mental illness patients into society by closing hospitals. That was the first step. On the surface it was hard for people following 'some media' outlets to see a connection.
People(criminals) will still find a way to kill people.
They will not adhere to the law.
Gun free zones will open up killing fields to criminals, knowing there will be little resistance.
And before people question why there is such pushback, know what the next step will be. Already voiced by' some media', a mental competency test to own a gun. Sounds good right? Something everyone should embrace, right?.....wrong, 'Some media' say a case can be made that if someone has an affiliation to a certain political party, that could be perceived as a mental illness.

Certain political parties would rather to supply AR-15's by the 100's to Mexican drug cartel to use against Americans. Sounds crazy right?
Look it up 'Fast and Furious', a failed government program to send arms across the border to be used by the cartel to kill a US Border Enforcement agent. The the US government lost track of all the weapons.

Sure, take assault weapons from Americans and give them to drug cartels. Look it up, become educated beyond what is being told by 'some media'
 
Sippican said:
Talk about being 'whipped up by some media'.
Time to bring up reality.
Saul Alinsky describes in his book on how to introduce Socialism/Marxism to a reluctant society is to do it is smaller segments, one is disarming citizens. The attacks on the Second Amendment is one of those small pieces.
Another small piece was decades ago by releasing mental illness patients into society by closing hospitals. That was the first step. On the surface it was hard for people following 'some media' outlets to see a connection.
People(criminals) will still find a way to kill people.
They will not adhere to the law.
Gun free zones will open up killing fields to criminals, knowing there will be little resistance.
And before people question why there is such pushback, know what the next step will be. Already voiced by' some media', a mental competency test to own a gun. Sounds good right? Something everyone should embrace, right?.....wrong, 'Some media' say a case can be made that if someone has an affiliation to a certain political party, that could be perceived as a mental illness.

Certain political parties would rather to supply AR-15's by the 100's to Mexican drug cartel to use against Americans. Sounds crazy right?
Look it up 'Fast and Furious', a failed government program to send arms across the border to be used by the cartel to kill a US Border Enforcement agent. The the US government lost track of all the weapons.

Sure, take assault weapons from Americans and give them to drug cartels. Look it up, become educated beyond what is being told by 'some media'
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Sorry sir, I have to call "utter hoghwash", total propaganda driven statement. As long as people believe this paranoid view and rally around it, there will be no coherent remedies for gun violence.
 
Nathan said:
Sorry sir, I have to call "utter hoghwash", total propaganda driven statement. As long as people believe this paranoid view and rally around it, there will be no coherent remedies for gun violence.
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Call it what you want. But please, educate yourself first, then tell me hogwash on each point if you are going to disagree.
The easy one to research is 'Fast and Furious'...is the hogwash?
Also, read Saul Alinksy.......That will help enlighten you.
He is a staunch Marxist, and reading his books, he truly believes he is fighting down the right path.
 
Nathan said:
Sorry sir, I have to call "utter hoghwash", total propaganda driven statement. As long as people believe this paranoid view and rally around it, there will be no coherent remedies for gun violence.
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If you are looking for coherent remedies......lets start with enforcing existing gun laws by the Judicial System.
Lets appoint DAs that do not have the backing of George Soros.
Lets force mayors and governors to put away gun related criminals.
Lets stop the 'defund the police' movement
Lets take protective immunity away from Mayors, Governors, DA's and judges, like that are doing across the country to police officers.
Too harsh?
 
Sippican said:
Call it what you want. But please, educate yourself first, then tell me hogwash on each point if you are going to disagree.
The easy one to research is 'Fast and Furious'...is the hogwash?
Also, read Saul Alinksy.......That will help enlighten you.
He is a staunch Marxist, and reading his books, he truly believes he is fighting down the right path.
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So tell me, what do you think street racing(Fast and Furious) and some old Marxist has to do with the real life crisis of gun violence, in America?
 
Nathan said:
So tell me, what do you think street racing(Fast and Furious) and some old Marxist has to do with the real life crisis of gun violence, in America?
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You are joking right?
Please tell me you are joking.
Fast and Furious was a Obama implemented program orchestrated by Eric Holder. The idea was to release guns into Mexico and see where they ended up and how they were being used.

The "Fast & Furious" operation refers to a controversial undercover operation conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) between 2006 and 2011. The operation aimed to track the flow of illegal firearms from the United States to Mexican drug cartels. However, the operation came under scrutiny and criticism when it was revealed that some of the firearms lost during the operation ended up being used in criminal activities, including the killing of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

Eric Holder faced criticism and inquiries from Congress about his handling of the operation and whether he provided accurate information about it. Holder was held in contempt of Congress in 2012 for failing to provide certain documents related to the operation to the House Oversight Committee.

Actually, all guns were lost. Cartel members using the guns actually left them at the scene of the murders to show the US their own guns killed Americans
 
Sippican said:
If you are looking for coherent remedies......lets start with enforcing existing gun laws by the Judicial System.
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Great idea, but that's not going to happen unless you support the political machinery that would embrace such.
Sippican said:
Lets appoint DAs that do not have the backing of George Soros.
Lets force mayors and governors to put away gun related criminals.
Lets stop the 'defund the police' movement
Lets take protective immunity away from Mayors, Governors, DA's and judges, like that are doing across the country to police officers.
Too harsh?
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You need the understand: I can easily recognize the political rhetoric for what it is. As such I'm not inclined to engage what I see as a hopeless set of disjointed down the rabbit-hole media talking points.
 
Sippican said:
You are joking right?
Please tell me you are joking.
Fast and Furious was a Obama implemented program orchestrated by Eric Holder. The idea was to release guns into Mexico and see where they ended up and how they were being used.

The "Fast & Furious" operation refers to a controversial undercover operation conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) between 2006 and 2011. The operation aimed to track the flow of illegal firearms from the United States to Mexican drug cartels. However, the operation came under scrutiny and criticism when it was revealed that some of the firearms lost during the operation ended up being used in criminal activities, including the killing of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

Eric Holder faced criticism and inquiries from Congress about his handling of the operation and whether he provided accurate information about it. Holder was held in contempt of Congress in 2012 for failing to provide certain documents related to the operation to the House Oversight Committee.

Actually, all guns were lost. Cartel members using the guns actually left them at the scene of the murders to show the US their own guns killed Americans
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Oh OK, pretty much like GW Bush's Operation Wide Receiver:
At the time, under the Bush administration Department of Justice (DOJ), no arrests or indictments were made. After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers. Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded. As of October 4, 2011, nine people had been charged with making false statements in acquisition of firearms and illicit transfer, shipment or delivery of firearms.
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OK,so...and??? We're talking about restricting access to assault rifles by wacos to prevent / reduce mass murders, not the flow of firearms from the U.S. to Mexican drug cartels.
 
"If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore, what he must be taught to fear is his victim." .........- Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper, USMC.... a Marine said this.

He also taught make sure of your target and hit it.

They intend to disarm you, they intend to take away handguns with magazine, most likely even revolvers. It will never stop until it is put a stop to. We have Rights under the Amendments. Felons are not legal owners. They got their firearms illegally or committed a felony. Fearing your neighbor because he has a rifle or a firearm of any kind is sort of stupid. If he breaks the law then he has to deal with his actions. Well thas my thoughts anyway. Your are 99.9999 % more likely to be physically harmed traveling down the expressway or in your own home falling than by your neighbors shooting you.
 
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That brought back a memory. I interviewed a young man looking for a job on our family farm. As I read his application is realized he had been arrested. I asked him about it, and he said had killed his girlfriend's lil dog. He also offered he had taken Meth and was very angry. So, I said I like you, but you just don't have the needed skills to operate the field equipment here. Try the local town stuff and good luck. Haha Crazy! Never saw him again. We were alert for quite a while wondering about it all at the place. Guess he knew he didn't have the skills to get crushed by a heavy field Tractor. Whew.

I know that sort of strays away but it was meant to show CRAZY!
 
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Nathan said:
Oh OK, pretty much like GW Bush's Operation Wide Receiver:


OK,so...and??? We're talking about restricting access to assault rifles by wacos to prevent / reduce mass murders, not the flow of firearms from the U.S. to Mexican drug cartels.
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So, it points out you know very little about what goes on in our political arena as it relates to guns and violence. You actually thought I was talking about a movie?

What Fast and Furious points out that in the countries obsession with taking guns away from law abiding citizens, the government has no problem in taking those guns and supplying them to international criminal drug cartels for the specific purpose of killing Americans trying to protect our country. That is what happened, not the benign understanding you think its just gun flows between countries.

You down play it because it doesn't fit your political narrative you are being led to believe, which it is obviously gotten from 'some media'. Your narrow focus is exactly what they want. Allow guns to be used against Americans (lenient criminal justice system and arms to drug cartels) while taking away Americans rights to protect themselves. You are playing checkers while they are playing multi-level chess. We are talking about the suppression of American citizens rights and the changing of society norms from a Capitalist society to a Marxist/Communist society.

The real problem is the lazy folks that turn on the evening news for 30 minutes and they think they are well versed on world events. When in fact many times they are being fed opinions based on false facts and in most cases denied information to get folks to agree on a false narrative. Then, they propagate that same false information and actually believe it without doing more investigation. Which leads to you thinking Fast and Furious is just a street racing movie.
 
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So, it points out you know very little about what goes on in our political arena as it relates to guns and violence. You actually thought I was talking about a movie?

What Fast and Furious points out that in the countries obsession with taking guns away from law abiding citizens, the government has no problem in taking those guns and supplying them to international criminal drug cartels for the specific purpose of killing Americans trying to protect our country. That is what happened, not the benign understanding you think its just gun flows between countries.

You down play it because it doesn't fit your political narrative you are being led to believe, which it is obviously gotten from 'some media'. Your narrow focus is exactly what they want. Allow guns to be used against Americans (lenient criminal justice system and arms to drug cartels) while taking away Americans rights to protect themselves. You are playing checkers while they are playing multi-level chess. We are talking about the suppression of American citizens rights and the changing of society norms from a Capitalist society to a Marxist/Communist society.

The real problem is the lazy folks that turn on the evening news for 30 minutes and they think they are well versed on world events. When in fact many times they are being fed opinions based on false facts and in most cases denied information to get folks to agree on a false narrative. Then, they propagate that same false information and actually believe it without doing more investigation. Which leads to you thinking Fast and Furious is just a street racing movie.
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Blah blah blah, I see you're mainly replying to troll a serious topic, and insult people that are sincere, while spouting all kinds of irrelevant propaganda that you're been spoon fed, and that makes you think you actually know something, which is obvious that you don't.
@Sippican, I'm really sorry buddy, but I'm not going to waste any more time replying to your nonesense, don't take it personally. Have a nice day!
 
Nathan said:
Blah blah blah, I see you're mainly replying to troll a serious topic, and insult people that are sincere, while spouting all kinds of irrelevant propaganda that you're been spoon fed, and that makes you think you actually know something, which is obvious that you don't.
@Sippican, I'm really sorry buddy, but I'm not going to waste any more time replying to your nonesense, don't take it personally. Have a nice day!
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No, I don't take it personally. Some folks are not open to factual information that is different than what they have been told to think. I get it. Its the easy way out. Sorry, but I do disagree, there was no sincerity in your posts. You can think that, but that would be part of your delusion.
Facts matter, history matters.....you did give me a chuckle thinking Fast and Furious government program was a street racing show. That was funny......thanks for the amusing exchange. Proved my point on many topics. Mainly, the default stance is people that refuse to be openminded attack the person.
 
Americans, keep in mind the first thing a Dictator does is DISARM the people as in Germany, Cuba, North Korea
and other places. Next, I keep hearing the words "assault weapons". What is an assault weapon ??
The answer: anything. Ice pick, hammer, axe, kitchen knife, basebal bat., vehicle. If someone were to maim or kill
someone with a knife or a car, should we ban all knives and cars ???? if not, why not,,,,,,, because making and
selling knives and cars is one of many products that make money, and making money cannot stop.......
I find that most anti-gun people limit themselves to firearms, but not to knives, cars or baseball bats, yet such
items do maim and kill. I taught all my children and grandchildren firearms safety, and how to shoot. They
never wanted to play with my firearms growing up because they were not curious. I am a retired Police Officer
and stand behind the 2d Amendment........
 
1644 said:
I taught all my children and grandchildren firearms safety, and how to shoot. They
never wanted to play with my firearms growing up because they were not curious. I am a retired Police Officer
and stand behind the 2d Amendment........
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My wife and I used to visit the US every year, often twice a year. We had a friend who lived in Georgia and was married to an American. How we loved the US, and how we were so welcomed. It all came to an end over a shooting incident in Tennessee, Memphis I think. We weren't witnesses or even came close, but we learned that the victim died. It spooked us, we have never returned.

The Second Amendment is set in stone for many of the people who made us feel so welcome in their country, but when you live in a country where you never see a weapon, it's uncomfortable to say the least.

The annual rate of gun homicide per 100,000 of the population is currently 0.03 in Great Britain. This compares with 3.6 in the USA, a rate that is 120-fold greater. The total firearms death rate (including suicides and accidents as well) is 51 times higher in the US than in the UK.
 
If the answer to gun crime is more guns, then it seems to me you're in a never ending spiral of death. There was talk that school teachers should be armed do to mass shootings. No-one seemed to care about the message this sends. How long before the escalation means the kids can carry guns too?

Good, rational talk about guns and gun control is impossible in the US due to the politicization of the topic. So sadly, if we don't learn from an event, we're doomed to repeat it.
 

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