Major AmTrak wreck

Insane, I don't know if it was the case here of distracted engineer, but, it has always been my feeling that people who are at the controls of such operations, shouldn't be allowed to carry non-work related communication devices. I had to phone in a bus driver who was texting and chatting on the phone while he was driving the bus. I was aghast, the man was driving using one hand driving such a powerful vehicle and the way these people drive out here, that's nothing to take chances with.
 
There are very limited possibilities in this crash. Either there was a major malfunction in the speed control of this train, or the engineer wasn't paying attention. If there was a malfunction, it would only seem logical that he, or an automated system would have sent appropriate warnings....nothing on the news about that. Lack of attention in today's world usually means booze, drugs, or texting...I would vote for texting.

Cell phone usage has replaced drunken driving as the Number One hazard on the road.
 

I do know the guy lawyered up right away, but, I'm reserving judgement till more facts come in. Very sad either way, so very sorry for all those involved and heart goes out to the families who now have to bury their loved ones.
 
I feel very bad that so many lost their lives again, and their families are heartbroken. They say the train lacked some mandatory safety controls, so that was a part of the problem. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/13/derailed-amtrak-train-safety-controls_n_7279166.html


WASHINGTON/PHILADELPHIA, May 13 (Reuters) - The commuter rail route where an Amtrak train left the track on Tuesday was not governed by an advanced safety technology meant to prevent high-speed derailments, investigators said on Wednesday.

A system called "positive train control" (PTC) automatically slows or even halts trains that are moving too fast or heading into a danger zone. Under current law, the rail industry must adopt the technology by the end of this year.

The investigation into the cause of Tuesday's crash, in which seven people were killed, has only just begun but initial examination of the train's data recorders determined the train was traveling 106 miles per hour (171 km per hour) in a 50-mph (80-kph) zone.

It would have been impossible for a train to reach such speeds if PTC had been in place, officials said.

"Based on what we know right now, we feel that had such a system been installed in this section of track, this accident would not have occurred," said Robert Sumwalt, a board member of the National Transportation Safety Board.

Amtrak has begun installing components of a PTC system but the network is not yet functioning, federal officials said.

Amtrak officials did not respond to calls for comment.

Federal rules require the national rail network to have an operating PTC system by the end of the year, though many lawmakers have endorsed rail industry appeals for more time to comply.

In March, the Senate Commerce Committee voted to extend the deadline for implementing PTC until at least 2020. Both Republicans and Democrats supported the measure which will now go to the Senate floor.

"This accident is exhibit A for ending the delays and getting positive train control in place," said Senator Richard Blumenthal, a Connecticut Democrat.

The Association of American Railroads has said it wants PTC in place but blames logistical challenges like acquiring radio frequencies and placing transmitter towers for the delay.

"This is not off-the-shelf technology; it has had to be developed from scratch," said Ed Greenberg, spokesman for the trade group.

Installing radio towers and other hardware at congested rail junctions, like the site of the Philadelphia accident, poses unique challenges, according to former and current officials.

PTC control would go as far as overriding a train conductor who was exceeding posted speed limits, said Joseph Szabo, who stepped down in January as administrator of the Federal Railroad Administration.

"If there is a red signal you can't pass it, if there is a speed restriction, it will slow you down," he said of the override system. (Additional reporting by Mark Hosenball, Andy Sullivan, Bill Trott and Timothy Gardner in Washington; Editing by Eric Beech and Lisa Shumaker)
 
I have ridden that Amtrack route several times. Amtrack has vacation packages that allows one to purchase hotel, shows and sights reservations in advance of travel. It made it very convenient to visit NYC, Philly, and DC for some wonderful weekend trips. Sad, very sad...
 
Listening to some guy from the Railway something or other... He brought up something that I'm sure not may thought of. Until congress gets off it's duff and properly funds AMTRAK.. and the technology to control trains remotely is installed, why not just put TWO people in the engineers cabin of passenger trains? One can monitor the other and read signals, and perhaps prevent things like this from happening.
 
Listening to some guy from the Railway something or other... He brought up something that I'm sure not may thought of. Until congress gets off it's duff and properly funds AMTRAK.. and the technology to control trains remotely is installed, why not just put TWO people in the engineers cabin of passenger trains? One can monitor the other and read signals, and perhaps prevent things like this from happening.

Good idea. The US has got to be the worst industrialised country for availability of public transport. I know Europe is smaller, but there are so many people that can easily get by without owning a car and polluting the air and increasing the need for oil. We saw electric buses in Glasgow on our last trip.
 
The car culture of the U.S. is stubbornly difficult to change, for the most part public transportation is avoided by most whenever possible...
 
The car culture of the U.S. is stubbornly difficult to change, for the most part public transportation is avoided by most whenever possible...

Actually that's not true..

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I think that a well funded and extensive high speed rail system would be very well utilized and would reduce congestion on our highways as well as decrease harmful emissions
 
I have ridden that Amtrack route several times. Amtrack has vacation packages that allows one to purchase hotel, shows and sights reservations in advance of travel. It made it very convenient to visit NYC, Philly, and DC for some wonderful weekend trips. Sad, very sad...

It was going to be my primary means of escape from Pennsylvania to Florida as well. Now I'm having second thoughts ... at this rate it might be safer to hitchhike naked.
 
Yes, but those improvements are not really dramatic when one looks at the overall numbers and may have reached a wall of resistance now. A grand new Amtrak station was built not far from me to entice suburban commuters to take the train. The parking lot stands empty most of the time. Old habits are just hard to change as most still drive Route 95 to Providence and Boston...
 
When a plane crashes or train wrecks many lives are involved. But, llike always, the wrecks in ratio to the number of uneventful flights or rail trips that have been completed should be considered. Though this data may be outdated.. train travel is considered the safest mode of transportation.
Fatality rate per billion passenger miles traveled
Car [SIZE=-2](most dangerous)[/SIZE]
7.2
Airplane
2.3
Bus
2.0
Train [SIZE=-2](safest)[/SIZE]
0.5

 
Yes, but those improvements are not really dramatic when one looks at the overall numbers and may have reached a wall of resistance now. A grand new Amtrak station was built not far from me to entice suburban commuters to take the train. The parking lot stands empty most of the time. Old habits are just hard to change as most still drive Route 95 to Providence and Boston...
Amazing is it not? I hated that drive. My niece still drives it daily, from the RI border to Boston. Frequently posting pictures, on FB, of bottlenecks...where she has been stalled over a hour. When she could commute by train.
 
I drove it for a few years and one reason that I changed jobs was just to get away from it. I wound up driving the other way on 95 but it was free flowing as most people were going to work in Providence and Boston...
 
I wonder if we could provide a tax incentive to encourage more people to use mass transit? I've used the buses and trolleys in San Diego for years and have no problem with it. A senior monthly bus pass is only $18.00. I am encouraged to hear that the interest in owning a car/driving among millennials is diminished compared to the boomer generation, although I don't know the exact statistics.
 
People would use mass transit IF there were more of it and if it was available on their route. I hate driving.. I have to drive 20 miles each way. There is no public transportation available from my house to where I work, so I have no choice. If I could drive to a train station and find parking and have it leave me off close to my job, you better believe I would be taking it. I have no choice but to drive.
 
I do know the guy lawyered up right away, but, I'm reserving judgement till more facts come in. Very sad either way, so very sorry for all those involved and heart goes out to the families who now have to bury their loved ones.

The fact that this guy's First Step was to hide behind his lawyer, and "conveniently" cannot remember anything, says, to me, that he realizes that he screwed up, and bears the brunt of responsibility for this wreck.
 
He either fell asleep.. or he was texting. Something had to distract him from how fast he was going coming into that curve. This is why perhaps a 2nd person in the cabin would have been helpful.
 
Hopefully this is coincidence but in less than one week two public transportation vehicles in Philadelphia had rocks thrown at them.

http://6abc.com/news/brick-thrown-through-school-bus-window-student-injured/714554/

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/tr...mtrak-crash-philadelphia/stories/201505130188

Perhaps not a conspiracy or same person but it could be sick fad/trend. We don't even know what happened with this Amtrak train other than speed was very likely a factor. It's seem like almost once a year some where in the country you have criminals throwing stones or even shooting at cars & trucks on a highway.
 
So are you saying that this Engineer felt compelled to bring that train up to 106 miles per hour in a curve designed for 50 mph tops... in order to escape stones?
 


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