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Whatever next! BBC News headlines.

Now the news is that female surgeons are being sexually assaulted even as they operate, doing their jobs. I can hardly believe such stuff goes on. Has this always gone on but now people just talk about it a lot more? These are professionals doing highly responsible work, yet here again men's disrespect towards women. Who can be trusted? Overall it is a positive that these injustices are being uncovered and dealt with.

I am appalled at how much human beings abuse each other. The news is always emphasising the misery of our existence and the worst of human nature. Human nature is basically very corrupt, it cannot be relied upon.
It is wonder that the majority of us can live relatively peacefully the majority of the time and cooperate on most levels.
 

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I was with my friend, decades ago, on a crowded NYC subway. She was standing, I got a seat. A man next to her started to grope her. She grabbed his hand, held it high aloft and yelled "Whose hand is this?" The pervert dislodged himself and slunk away.

My point is: Call it out immediately when it happens, loudly and clearly. Don't be shy, don't be embarrassed, make him be embarrassed.
 

Rose65 said:
Whatever next! BBC News headlines.

Now the news is that female surgeons are being sexually assaulted even as they operate, doing their jobs. I can hardly believe such stuff goes on. Has this always gone on but now people just talk about it a lot more? These are professionals doing highly responsible work, yet here again men's disrespect towards women. Who can be trusted? Overall it is a positive that these injustices are being uncovered and dealt with.

I am appalled at how much human beings abuse each other. The news is always emphasising the misery of our existence and the worst of human nature. Human nature is basically very corrupt, it cannot be relied upon.
It is wonder that the majority of us can live relatively peacefully the majority of the time and cooperate on most levels.
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yes and what's worse is this is other Doctors and medical staff doing it..
 
Pepper said:
I was with my friend, decades ago, on a crowded NYC subway. She was standing, I got a seat. A man next to her started to grope her. She grabbed his hand, held it high aloft and yelled "Whose hand is this?" The pervert dislodged himself and slunk away.

My point is: Call it out immediately when it happens, loudly and clearly. Don't be shy, don't be embarrassed, make him be embarrassed.
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Yes! Too many women suffer in silence, not wanting to cause a scene. When I worked in banks and credit unions I would have men in my cubicle all day as I talked loans, or whatever, with them. Sometimes one would lean forward, pretending to be looking at my computer screen, and put a hand on my knee. Without skipping a beat in what I was saying I would say, firmly, "Don't touch me." As in, "Our home equity loan will lend, don't touch me, up to 80% of the market value..." These were almost always Colonels or Generals who were used to getting away with stuff. I liked the look of surprise on their faces.
 
Warrigal said:
I am not surprised. A female minister in the former government in Canberra has revealed that one male backbencher had a habit of breathing on the back of her neck during Question Time. Disrespect is found at all levels of society, including the operating theatre.
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Was he standing behind her ? Was she seated while he was standing ?

Where else was he supposed to breath ?
 
Me Too, Me Too, always the men, never the women. The Me Too brigade is alive and well with such minor complaints it beggars belief.
I was in hospital for three weeks, was the then-young nurse backward in coming forward with a helping hand, No. I thought it must be a perk of going private and paying.
Then later when speaking to a neighbour, he confirmed that he had had the same surgery at the same point in time and received the added extras and that was in a NHS free hospital.
Did we complain, we were abused and it has affected us forever.
 
rgp said:
Was he standing behind her ? Was she seated while he was standing ?

Where else was he supposed to breath ?
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Most probably he was baiting her hoping to get a response.

If you read this report in the ABC you might get a better iea of what was going on but I have to tell you that procedures in the Australian House of Representatives are very different to the US HOR. The government and the opposition sit on opposite sided of the chamber, facing each other. On the front benches are the government ministers on one side and the shadow ministers, the opposition, on the other side. Behind the front benches sit the other MPs. He would only have had to lean forward to breathe or blow on her neck. He also used whispered innuendo during Question Time.

Brits and Canadians would be familiar with the layout of our parliament house.

MSN
 
Warrigal said:
Most probably he was baiting her hoping to get a response.

If you read this report in the ABC you might get a better iea of what was going on but I have to tell you that procedures in the Australian House of Representatives are very different to the US HOR. The government and the opposition sit on opposite sided of the chamber, facing each other. On the front benches are the government ministers on one side and the shadow ministers, the opposition, on the other side. Behind the front benches sit the other MPs. He would only have had to lean forward to breathe or blow on her neck. He also used whispered innuendo during Question Time.

Brits and Canadians would be familiar with the layout of our parliament house.

MSN
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Which sure is less of an assault on mind, body, and eardrums than Ian Blackford going on for half an hour.
 
Was the perp a senior surgeon, doctor or nurse. Not always but those in a position of authority or power try stuff like that. They feel entitled or will indeed extort them directly or indirectly with implied consequences ie their career is in their hands.
 
Women NHS surgeons revealed today that they have suffered a torrent of sexual assaults by colleagues in the workplace – including one man who wiped his sweaty brow on their breasts and another who rubbed his erect ***** up against them.

A series of victims have come forward to expose a toxic environment in operating theatres after a shocking survey was released claiming almost one in three female surgeons working in the NHS have been sexually assaulted in the last five years.

One woman claimed she was sexually assaulted by a consultant who pushed his head into her cleavage while their patient was anaesthetised on the operating table.

Another consultant plastic surgeon said a male colleague went to give her a hug before rubbing himself against her and saying: 'You probably felt my erection then
Female surgeons reveal they've been sexually assaulted by colleagues
 
I'm afraid the NHS is no different to any other employer re incidents of sexual assaults - whether it's staff to patients, staff to staff, or patients to patients.
Same in care homes, mental health facilities, personal carers - you name it.
It's not a new thing nor the sign of the recent times. Going back to the 80s , t'was ever thus.
We only know about it more these days because of the internet/social media.
Add to that being robbed, punched, stabbed, total lack of respect and lack of care.
The only places, to my knowledge over the years, is that I can't recall anything untoward happening in hospices.
 
hollydolly said:
Women NHS surgeons revealed today that they have suffered a torrent of sexual assaults by colleagues in the workplace – including one man who wiped his sweaty brow on their breasts and another who rubbed his erect ***** up against them.

A series of victims have come forward to expose a toxic environment in operating theatres after a shocking survey was released claiming almost one in three female surgeons working in the NHS have been sexually assaulted in the last five years.

One woman claimed she was sexually assaulted by a consultant who pushed his head into her cleavage while their patient was anaesthetised on the operating table.

Another consultant plastic surgeon said a male colleague went to give her a hug before rubbing himself against her and saying: 'You probably felt my erection then
Female surgeons reveal they've been sexually assaulted by colleagues
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Disgusting.
Whenever I have been in hospital there are lots of staff around. You wouldn't think opportunity would arise.

The one surgeon told how she was made to do 'non-consensual' whatever. Is that not known generally as rape? Why not speak up at the time?
 
Quackers said:
I'm afraid the NHS is no different to any other employer re incidents of sexual assaults - whether it's staff to patients, staff to staff, or patients to patients.
Same in care homes, mental health facilities, personal carers - you name it.
It's not a new thing nor the sign of the recent times. Going back to the 80s , t'was ever thus.
We only know about it more these days because of the internet/social media.
Add to that being robbed, punched, stabbed, total lack of respect and lack of care.
The only places, to my knowledge over the years, is that I can't recall anything untoward happening in hospices.
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Gosh I hope not. Hospices do a marvellous job, I hope such stuff doesn't happen there. Although nowhere seems safe now, or so the media would have us believe.
 
Della said:
Yes! Too many women suffer in silence, not wanting to cause a scene. When I worked in banks and credit unions I would have men in my cubicle all day as I talked loans, or whatever, with them. Sometimes one would lean forward, pretending to be looking at my computer screen, and put a hand on my knee. Without skipping a beat in what I was saying I would say, firmly, "Don't touch me." As in, "Our home equity loan will lend, don't touch me, up to 80% of the market value..." These were almost always Colonels or Generals who were used to getting away with stuff. I liked the look of surprise on their faces.
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Boy, I must say I am being re-educated in this Forum! I must be the last of the innocents. During my lifetime I have seen plenty of men lean forward during a conversation and put their hands on a man's or woman's knee and never thought anything of it! As a matter of fact I was greatly upset when one of my favourite humorists was "outed" for doing just that. "What in heaven's name is the world coming to?" Condemning an innocent act like that.

But listening to your (women's) reactions I am starting to change my mind. My daughter is helping with this gradual conversion. I had a heated discussion with her about those so-called sexual "attacks" and she told me: "Dad, you will never understand. You are not a woman!" So this is my promise, I will be a lot more hesitant about making fun of things that, to me, until now seemed harmless!
 
Old Salt said:
During my lifetime I have seen plenty of men lean forward during a conversation and put their hands on a man's or woman's knee and never thought anything of it! As a matter of fact I was greatly upset when one of my favourite humorists was "outed" for doing just that. "What in heaven's name is the world coming to?" Condemning an innocent act like that.
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My mother taught me at a young age to never touch in any way anyone unless I knew them very, very well (such as, friends since the age of 5, for example) since it's impossible to know whether it would make them uncomfortable or not. She said the only exception might be tapping on the shoulder someone walking quickly ahead of you: "Excuse me; you dropped your wallet, checkbook, etc.!" Apparently--especially after listening to men--that's considered by some to be outdated advice but I don't care; I think it's good advice and still follow it.
 
As a man, I could never understand how some of my fellow men can be such slimey, disgusting, sleazeballs. Do they actually think women enjoy the things that they do? Or is because they think women are inferior and have to put up with everything that a man dishes out.

Every time I read these things, it makes me so ashamed of my sex sometimes. :mad:
 
Struth the Woke brigade soon converted you Salt. So why is it socially accepted that women can touch men because they can't have babies? Hang on, men can now have a uterus implant and have babies but you cannot call parents mother and father and worse an "I have not decided" cannot touch anybody or can they touch everybody?
 
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officerripley said:
My mother taught me at a young age to never touch in any way anyone unless I knew them very, very well (such as, friends since the age of 5, for example) since it's impossible to know whether it would make them uncomfortable or not. She said the only exception might be tapping on the shoulder someone walking quickly ahead of you: "Excuse me; you dropped your wallet, checkbook, etc.!" Apparently--especially after listening to men--that's considered by some to be outdated advice but I don't care; I think it's good advice and still follow it.
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@officerripley: You left out the important part, but that's okay. Anyway, I always assumed such a gesture like touching a knee during a conversation was among folks who knew each other very well.

And, regrettably, my mother never had the time to teach us anything, except for using the cane if we did something dramatically wrong. Between looking after a store during the day, 4 children between 7:00 and 9:00 p.m. and then getting busy in the dark room developing pictures until 2:00 a.m. every day, she didn't have the time to teach us anything. Except that she was an exceptionally strong woman whom I admire (belatedly) to this day!
 
officerripley said:
My mother taught me at a young age to never touch in any way anyone unless I knew them very, very well (such as, friends since the age of 5, for example) since it's impossible to know whether it would make them uncomfortable or not. She said the only exception might be tapping on the shoulder someone walking quickly ahead of you: "Excuse me; you dropped your wallet, checkbook, etc.!" Apparently--especially after listening to men--that's considered by some to be outdated advice but I don't care; I think it's good advice and still follow it.
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your mum was very much ahead of her time... :)
 

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