Risks of no further covid vaccination

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Rose65

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How likely is serious life threatening Covid for those who want no further vaccinations, having had at least 3 or 4?
Is not our immune system now aware and primed to the virus? Can we not now assume it is not any longer a 'novel virus'?

It is a balance for some of us now to weigh the risk of adverse effects to further jabs against dying of covid.

It is hard to make this decision. Yet many people have had health undermined, even damaged badly, not by COVID but by the vaccines. No matter what is officially said - I doubt any doctors are going to openly admit this.
 

My Wife and I spoke yesterday on the phone with our long time family Doctor here in Toronto. I am 77, wife is 79. His exact words to to both of us........YES, get your covid booster injections in November, as your last ones were done a year ago. In addition he said we should both get the RSV injection and the annual influenza injection 2 weeks after the covid injection.

I trust his 30 plus years of training and practical experience. He is the head of the Family Practice unit at Women's College Hospital here in Toronto. Remember that in Canada Doctors do not get paid for giving injections to patients, nor can they sell medications to their patients, which is a common practice in the USA.

Your use of the term "jabs " is a telling expression. JimB.
 
Getting vaccinated is a choice. Our choice was to get vaccinated last time & this time. This year we got the high dose of flu vaccine & the booster of covid. No "bad" side effects last time & none this time. Only side effect which I think is normal for any shot is a little soreness where the injection was administered.
For us not having flu or covid our experience has been good.
 

Rose65 said:
How likely is serious life threatening Covid for those who want no further vaccinations, having had at least 3 or 4?
Is not our immune system now aware and primed to the virus? Can we not now assume it is not any longer a 'novel virus'?

It is a balance for some of us now to weigh the risk of adverse effects to further jabs against dying of covid.

It is hard to make this decision. Yet many people have had health undermined, even damaged badly, not by COVID but by the vaccines. No matter what is officially said - I doubt any doctors are going to openly admit this.
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You're right @Rose65 Doctors are not yet ready to discuss this. It will still take time but the day will come. How many injections are enough is a personal choice. Maybe our bodies help us make that choice because everyone is different. :unsure:
 
Rose65 said:
How likely is serious life threatening Covid for those who want no further vaccinations, having had at least 3 or 4?
Is not our immune system now aware and primed to the virus? Can we not now assume it is not any longer a 'novel virus'?
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Covid is constantly evolving. Boosters are important and designed to deal with new variations.

““Recent research has shown that nearly 32% of people who didn’t get the last booster skipped it because they were worried about vaccine side effects, but doctors say people should feel comfortable getting the
“Nearly 700 million doses of these mRNA vaccines have gone into arms and they’ve been under the microscope,” says Thomas Russo, M.D., a professor and chief of infectious diseases at the University at Buffalo in New York. “It’s extraordinarily safe. The risk-benefit ratio by far favors vaccination.”
Here’s What You Need to Know About Getting the New 2023 COVID Booster
 
One point, if COVID remains a serious threat, then why isn't every age group being offered it? Why only over 65's and vulnerable people?
Also why no other precautions being urged,?

I still mainly distance from others, use handwipes and wash hands frequently. This is a habit instilled in me.
 
ElCastor said:
Covid is constantly evolving. Boosters are important and designed to deal with new variations.

““Recent research has shown that nearly 32% of people who didn’t get the last booster skipped it because they were worried about vaccine side effects, but doctors say people should feel comfortable getting the
“Nearly 700 million doses of these mRNA vaccines have gone into arms and they’ve been under the microscope,” says Thomas Russo, M.D., a professor and chief of infectious diseases at the University at Buffalo in New York. “It’s extraordinarily safe. The risk-benefit ratio by far favors vaccination.”
Here’s What You Need to Know About Getting the New 2023 COVID Booster
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Well the fourth one launched me into 3 months of nasty symptoms. Definitely not comfortable. I cannot face that again.
 
jimintoronto said:
My Wife and I spoke yesterday on the phone with our long time family Doctor here in Toronto. I am 77, wife is 79. His exact words to to both of us........YES, get your covid booster injections in November, as your last ones were done a year ago. In addition he said we should both get the RSV injection and the annual influenza injection 2 weeks after the covid injection.

I trust his 30 plus years of training and practical experience. He is the head of the Family Practice unit at Women's College Hospital here in Toronto. Remember that in Canada Doctors do not get paid for giving injections to patients, nor can they sell medications to their patients, which is a common practice in the USA.

Your use of the term "jabs " is a telling expression. JimB.
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Your doctor must follow his instructions. He cannot recommend otherwise.
I do understand we ideally must trust our doctor, but also think for ourselves. Each body is different. You know yours best.
 
It’s definitely an individual decision based on your health and prior experience with the vaccine. Both my siblings are in their late 70’s and have serious lung problems so even though the first 3 shots made them really sick they still get them. I am much healthier so after 3 shots I am done.
 
Comparison might be something to think about. This Sept 2023 CDC report was interesting to me.


Why CDC is Working to End Polio Globally
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Updated September 27, 2023

A young child with a leg brace sits on a couch.
A three-year old child in Malawi experienced paralysis in her leg in 2021, as a result of the first case of wild polio reported in Southeastern Africa since 2016. Credit: ©UNICEF/U.S. CDC/UN0641187/Paul

CDC has a long history of fighting polio – beginning in the 1950s. Today, CDC is focused on ending polio globally, including addressing polio in the U.S. recently.

Polio Can Lead to Paralysis and Death
The world has come a long way in the fight against polio. In 1988, there were 350,000 cases of wild polio across 125 countries – with more than 1,000 children per day becoming paralyzed. In 2022, there were only 30 cases in three countries:

For instance, wild poliovirus had not been detected in southeastern Africa since the 1990s, and the continent of Africa was certified free of wild polio in 2020. However, in 2021 and 2022, wild poliovirus – imported from Pakistan –was reported circulating first in Malawi and later in Mozambique. The outbreak caused paralysis in nine children.

Why CDC is Working to End Polio Globally.

Hopefully cases of covid will eventually experience the same decline.
 
I don't know if this information will be of any use to your decision making but, my friend in Colorado that's a nurse said that almost all the patients in her hospital have Covid along with half the staff. It is starting to hit staff here and seeing more masks on nursing staff in ER now. I am getting mine as a protective measure.
 
I got the J&J shot when it was offered, so I could say I was vaccinated (I knew they were going to politicize it) but won't get any further COVID vaccinations.

Then again, I don't leave my house so there's not much point. But if I did leave my house once in awhile, I still wouldn't bother.
 
The J&J has serious FDA restrictions on its administration. It is only to be given to those who have no access to other brands, and are willing to accept the inherent risk. If you are not already aware of the J&J problem, take a look at this from May 6, 2022

“U.S. regulators on Thursday strictly limited who can receive Johnson & Johnson's COVID-19 vaccine due to the ongoing risk of rare but serious blood clots.
The Food and Drug Administration said the shot should only be given to adults who cannot receive a different vaccine or specifically request J&J's vaccine. U.S. authorities for months have recommended that Americans starting their COVID-19 vaccinations use the Pfizer or Moderna shots instead.
FDA officials said in a statement that they decided to restrict J&J's vaccine after taking another look at data on the risk of life-threatening within two weeks of vaccination.”
FDA restricts Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine due to blood clot risk

My wife and I are Pfizer and Moderna recipients, and received all their boosters.
 
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Rose65 said:
Your doctor must follow his instructions. He cannot recommend otherwise.
I do understand we ideally must trust our doctor, but also think for ourselves. Each body is different. You know yours best.
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OK, so who is my Doctor getting his "instructions " from, exactly ? Would that be the Chief Medical Officer of Health, for Canada ? The CMOH recommends medical treatments, she doesn't instruct anyone. JImB.
 
Rose65 said:
How likely is serious life threatening Covid for those who want no further vaccinations, having had at least 3 or 4?
Is not our immune system now aware and primed to the virus? Can we not now assume it is not any longer a 'novel virus'?
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Bottom line, the Covid virus often produces variants that are not defeated by the original vaccine. The boosters are aimed at those latest strains, so getting boosted is a wise move.
 
jimintoronto said:
OK, so who is my Doctor getting his "instructions " from, exactly ? Would that be the Chief Medical Officer of Health, for Canada ? The CMOH recommends medical treatments, she doesn't instruct anyone. JImB.
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There was a period when the NIH, WHO, CDC and FDA did. The word "advised" might have been a better choice than "instructed," and it seemed (to me) they all gave more advice about what NOT to use to treat covid for at least several months at the height of the pandemic.

In fact, the FDA recently had to attend a federal appeals court hearing over this. Accused of overstepping their authority, the FDA isn't authorized to *advise* doctors on how to treat patients, but it was shown that they did.
 
Rose65 said:
Can we not now assume it is not any longer a 'novel virus'?
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I might be wrong but I vaguely think that the vaccinations target a little piece of the virus and that if that part of the virus has mutated then the earlier vaccination wouldn't be a good match for future exposures. I think people who have had covid have immunity to more parts of the virus so they are better protected (tho my personal experience with catching the flu would make me doubt that, tho probably influenza is different because in addition to mutations there are several different types)?

So, I'd guess if you don't want to risk serious complications when you get covid that having the most up-to-date revaccination would be useful.

I hope that when I get around to going to get it that the person that administers it does better than the person who gave me my flu vaccination this week, I've never had such a messed up jab, I think they knicked a blood vessel because it bled a strange amount at the time and has a big bruise after several days. It looks like they put it about an inch and a half around forward the arm compared to my smallpox vaccine scar. I suspect it was their first day ever giving vaccinations or something. :(
 
jimintoronto said:
My Wife and I spoke yesterday on the phone with our long time family Doctor here in Toronto. I am 77, wife is 79. His exact words to to both of us........YES, get your covid booster injections in November, as your last ones were done a year ago. In addition he said we should both get the RSV injection and the annual influenza injection 2 weeks after the covid injection.

I trust his 30 plus years of training and practical experience. He is the head of the Family Practice unit at Women's College Hospital here in Toronto. Remember that in Canada Doctors do not get paid for giving injections to patients, nor can they sell medications to their patients, which is a common practice in the USA.

Your use of the term "jabs " is a telling expression. JimB.
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And what if he had told you that you and your wife absolutely did not need to get the jabs ... and then one or both of you succumbed to COVID?
Practical experience indeed. Regardless of whether you should or shouldn't get the jab ... he's covering his a55.
 
jimintoronto said:
Remember that in Canada Doctors do not get paid for giving injections to patients, nor can they sell medications to their patients, which is a common practice in the USA.
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No doctor that I have ever had has sold me medications. They write a script & it goes to a pharmacy of your choice. They also stopped giving any types of vaccinations well over 15+ years ago. That to is at a pharmacy of your choice.

As far as more covid shots, no thank you.
 
HoneyNut said:
I might be wrong but I vaguely think that the vaccinations target a little piece of the virus and that if that part of the virus has mutated then the earlier vaccination wouldn't be a good match for future exposures. I think people who have had covid have immunity to more parts of the virus so they are better protected (tho my personal experience with catching the flu would make me doubt that, tho probably influenza is different because in addition to mutations there are several different types)?

So, I'd guess if you don't want to risk serious complications when you get covid that having the most up-to-date revaccination would be useful.

I hope that when I get around to going to get it that the person that administers it does better than the person who gave me my flu vaccination this week, I've never had such a messed up jab, I think they knicked a blood vessel because it bled a strange amount at the time and has a big bruise after several days. It looks like they put it about an inch and a half around forward the arm compared to my smallpox vaccine scar. I suspect it was their first day ever giving vaccinations or something. :(
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I always tell them to be gentle. The first COVID jab I had was given so hard I was in pain for days.

I have had COVID, also 4 vaccinations I just hope that is enough for some lasting protection. I do have the flu jab. Otherwise I will take my chances.
 

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