San Francisco Turns into 'American Disgrace'

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San Francisco Turns into 'American Disgrace'—Youths Assault and Steal from Moms Using Baseball Bats

In San Francisco's latest crime wave, kids with baseball bats are robbing moms and nannies on the way to or from school.

Noe Valley, a San Francisco neighborhood, is known as "stroller valley" because many young families are settling there. Sadly, some weeks back, 11 phones were stolen, and it is thought that the same gang targets moms picking up their kids from school.

MSN

Probably just me but the title wording seems wrong. If I was going to write the title I would word it this way.

Youths using baseball bats Assault and Steal from Moms
 

So many with the means are fleeing too, a lot of them to Texas cities. I cringe to think what a bad hurricane season might do as Texas anthills pile ever higher up. When they come here they immediately start demanding more and more services... and that existing residents bow down and pay.
 
San Francisco Turns into 'American Disgrace'—Youths Assault and Steal from Moms Using Baseball Bats

In San Francisco's latest crime wave, kids with baseball bats are robbing moms and nannies on the way to or from school.

Noe Valley, a San Francisco neighborhood, is known as "stroller valley" because many young families are settling there. Sadly, some weeks back, 11 phones were stolen, and it is thought that the same gang targets moms picking up their kids from school.

MSN

Probably just me but the title wording seems wrong. If I was going to write the title I would word it this way.

Youths using baseball bats Assault and Steal from Moms
I think it should be: "Youths try to steal and assault Moms but Moms fight back with baseball bats.....and win." If only.
 
I grew up just south of SF in the Santa Clara Valley. ( Silicon Valley ). It was like the "Truman Show". But no lights fell from the sky. My Dad grew up in SF. We would visit my Nana (his Mom) every few months. We would go to the Zoo, and Golden Gate Park. The Aquariam there was awesome. We never felt in danger. I know there were some "bad" areas there.
I moved to another State in 1971. Then we settled in the mid-west. My brother lives in the LA area. I talk with him quite a bit. LA is a mess also. The whole State is a mess. With the economy tanking, and the cost of living soaring, and constant climate related crisis. Hard times. It is pretty much the same for most all big cities now.
 
That's been an issue that started earlier this year.

Kids with baseball bats attacking moms and nannies in wealthy San Francisco area

Bat-wielding kids attack San Francisco moms, nannies outside school in wealthy neighborhood

San Francisco latest disgrace is the guy offering free fentanyl in front of a school

Convicted child molester displaying 'free fentanyl' sign across SF school arrested then released

I was kind of hoping SF hit it's peak of pitiful years ago when they had to start deploying a poop patrol for human waste.
 
And to think SF is a place where houses cost a gazillion dollars! That's one of the reasons people are leaving. I just don't know what this world is coming to! Not for nothing...when we were growing up and we got spanked when we acted up, these types of things did not happen. We respected our parents, better had respected other elders too. I know some wonderful young people, but too many of them do not respect anything...not adults, not the right to life!
 
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Hm, while there have been incidents, this story seems to have blown up due to Fox News and Social Media. The MSN link given in the OP is simply sourced from Fox.

I did some Googling around, and you'll find sites simply taking the story from Fox and repeating it, or stories - with lesser numbers - from June or July this year. In most of those, this seems to be about Smartphone thefts.

I've no doubt crime takes place, but before I jumped on the "American Disgrace" bandwagon I'd need other sources and at least one decent reporter to investigate the facts.

There's a fabulous crime map of Noe Valley I found which shows some concentrated areas of crime:

Noe Valley, SF Crime Report | Live Map | Updated: 10/22/2023
 
And to think SF is a place where houses cost a gazillion dollars! That's one of the reasons people are leaving. I just don't know what this world is coming to! Not for nothing...when we were growing up and we got spanked for when we acted up, these types of things did not happen. We respected our parents, better had respected other elders too. I know some wonderful young people, but too many of them do not respect anything...not adults, not the right to life!

It's a very different world, and I'm pretty sure the answer isn't spanking kids.

We have entire political movements now that are based on disrespecting authority, and attacks it daily, undermining it's job. When you have leaders doing it, what do you think kids will think? It's a sickness in society, I'm afraid, and it's all over. Too often, people are looking to complain and whine rather than dealing with the actual problem. Scoring a political point or creating a headline takes priority.
 
Personally, I think the whole country is a mess. Look at our politicians. Violence and crimes are on the rise and we already have one of the highest incarceration rates.

I think there are people who want to make us feel it's in a worse mess than it is. More people go about their usual business every day than anything else, and they're never hitting the headlines. Fear is a great way to control the populace, I'm sad to say.

That said, sure, there are things that need improving. Lots of things. There just doesn't seem to be a willingness to turn the temperature down and to concentrate on solutions that will work, rather than point scoring.

The US incarcerates more people than just about anyone these days, apparently 500 or so per 100,00 - mostly black, mostly men, and mostly young. Most of them are on some kind of drug charge, be it using or trafficking. The increase over time has been shown to be more about changes in sentencing guidelines, and changes to the law than an actual increase in crime. For example, the disparity between sentences for Crack Cocaine over powdered Cocaine. This was corrected in 2010, but for reasons best known to successive governments, was not back dated - so some were released, most not.

Crime rates, generally, are not increasing. That is generally, not in specific hotspots. What we do to people when caught has changed. The US spends $80bn a year keeping people incarcerated, and 18% of federal prisoners are housed in for profit (privately held) facilities. When you consider the US puts more people in jail than Russia, Rwanda, Brazil, and 3X more then the UK does, it puts things in perspective.
 
It's a very different world, and I'm pretty sure the answer isn't spanking kids.

We have entire political movements now that are based on disrespecting authority, and attacks it daily, undermining it's job. When you have leaders doing it, what do you think kids will think? It's a sickness in society, I'm afraid, and it's all over. Too often, people are looking to complain and whine rather than dealing with the actual problem. Scoring a political point or creating a headline takes priority.
I'm not the first one to have noticed the correlation between "modern parenting" and the terrible things young people are doing today. But you're right in that they are seeing this messed up world. They are seeing people do corrupt and horrible things and getting away with it. I also think the media and these sick video games available are contributing factors VJB.
 
I have a couple of cousins who lived/worked in the SF area for most of their working years. They have moved to a quiet suburb North of Denver in recent years. They say life is much better in Colorado. The cost of living, and crime, etc., seems to be making a lot of people leave CA.
 
I'm not the first one to have noticed the correlation between "modern parenting" and the terrible things young people are doing today. But you're right in that they are seeing this messed up world. They are seeing people do corrupt and horrible things and getting away with it. I also think the media and these sick video games available are contributing factors VJB.

When all you hear in the media is "that department are corrupt", "those people are liars!", "That was stolen!" (despite copious amounts of actual evidence to the contrary), "this group of people are satanists!" and then the denigration of veterans and calling the President names like a five year old - THAT is the world we've created. And from all that, we expect nice little adorable, law abiding citizens who open doors for the little old ladies, respect their elders, and accept boundaries. Yeah, we'll see how that turns out.

There are simply no values any more. And it's not coming from kids. I see it all the time from adults. The parents are WORSE than the kids. So when the kids are old enough to get out on their own, we can expect big big problems. It used to be the problem was kids not respecting their parents. These days it's shifted to kids not respecting anything but the almighty dollar, which is more easily accumulated through narcotic sales.

But I do believe the problem is coming from adults. Hating "the other", whomever the other is in a given context, is thought of as normal. The disrespect, attacks on the American way of life, is very disappointing.

GRUMP
 
Sensationalist headlines get clicks, period. That's how they make money.

I've lived in the San Francisco Bay Area since 1989 and in CA since 1969. I'm from Chicago, and trust me, good/bad neighborhoods shift over time. Also, most people who move out of CA are poorer than the ones who move INTO CA. On average, CA actually keeps more of its residents than most states.

It has always been a state of migration and always will be. And studies - even current ones - consistently show that over 80% of residential change of addresses occurs within the state of CA.

Remember, you are looking at numbers of people moving, but not necessarily percentage of population. We have almost 40 million residents.

San Francisco is a very small part of the San Francisco Bay Area, which in itself is a small part of what is considered Northern CA proper. There are over 100 cities within the SFBA, which does NOT include the Napa Valley or the Delta (where the state capitol is located).

The city and county of SF is 7x7 miles - you can walk across it, and I have - and has roughly around 800+K people. The SFBA has 7.1 million residents, which is, again, just a portion of those in Northern CA, and does not include Central CA nor Southern CA, both of which are larger in area as well as population.

Cities have crime. We deal with it. And we live here because the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. Most homeowners, for example, probably don't pay much more than you or your grown kids do for housing. Like most Boomers, paying off the mortgage is just a matter of time. For Gen Xers, their mortgages are higher, but so are their salaries. CA paychecks, especially in tech, are sizably bigger than elsewhere.

Casual crime - or lower level crime - is up across the nation. Theft, burglaries, auto break-ins, etc. If you live in any major city, you know exactly what I mean, and like the rest of us, you take care to avoid high-risk areas. Sometimes you can't, but most of the time you can. That's city life, which my spouse and I happen to enjoy the benefits of having, and accept what disadvantages there might be. The latter hardly impact our lifestyle or decision-making at all, honestly.

Unless you live here, it would be quite difficult to "know" a city. Half my family could not tell you what SF is like, because they never have any reason to go there, even though it's only about 35 miles across the Bay. Their entire lives are in a major metropolitan area that is part of, and yet separate from, San Francisco proper.

My MIL lived in the West Portal neighborhood of SF, close to St.Francis Woods. It is beautiful (if foggy), lively, full of families, good transportation, and she would have gone back there today to live in a second if she could. We would have no qualms about her safety, either. But with dementia, it was time for her to move in with us, and that was the ONLY reason.
 
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Hm, while there have been incidents, this story seems to have blown up due to Fox News and Social Media. The MSN link given in the OP is simply sourced from Fox.

I did some Googling around, and you'll find sites simply taking the story from Fox and repeating it, or stories - with lesser numbers - from June or July this year. In most of those, this seems to be about Smartphone thefts.

I've no doubt crime takes place, but before I jumped on the "American Disgrace" bandwagon I'd need other sources and at least one decent reporter to investigate the facts.

There's a fabulous crime map of Noe Valley I found which shows some concentrated areas of crime:

Noe Valley, SF Crime Report | Live Map | Updated: 10/22/2023
Are you saying because the source was Fox news the article isn't accurate? That moms were not attacked with bats? If you have a link that exposes that as a lie I'd rather read that than the stats on other crime in the Noe valley.
 
So many with the means are fleeing too, a lot of them to Texas cities. I cringe to think what a bad hurricane season might do as Texas anthills pile ever higher up. When they come here they immediately start demanding more and more services... and that existing residents bow down and pay.
North and Central Texas don't typically see hurricanes because we're not near the water. If you think everyone moving to Texas is moving to Houston, here you go.

And not many will be moving to Michigan, so you don't have to worry about them demanding your services.

Texas cities again lead population growth, and Austin is now country’s 10th largest
 
Thank you @Lethe200, @VaughanJB and @OlderThanDirt for bringing some actual perspective to the situation.

We visited friends in San Francisco this past summer. They live on a hill overlooking The Castro. We walked to restaurants and grocery stores and hiked every day. They technically live in San Francisco. It was idyllic.

The Tenderloin is one of the major areas being affected by crime, but then it has always been known for crime and drugs. The inner cities of many large cities have more crime. One cannot paint an entire city with the same brush, regardless of what some sensational news channels are saying. One could say the same about Detroit, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York City, etc. Again, thanks for putting things into perspective.
 
North and Central Texas don't typically see hurricanes because we're not near the water. If you think everyone moving to Texas is moving to Houston, here you go.

And not many will be moving to Michigan, so you don't have to worry about them demanding your services.

Texas cities again lead population growth, and Austin is now country’s 10th largest

If I were to ever move back to Texas, it wouldn't be Houston. I'd say Austin is better, it being a college town, so more lively.
 
Are you saying because the source was Fox news the article isn't accurate? That moms were not attacked with bats? If you have a link that exposes that as a lie I'd rather read that than the stats on other crime in the Noe valley.

See, I understand where you're coming from, but how many times have you read those on the right saying they don't believe "mainstream media", or sources purported to be left leaning? What's good for the goose.

But actually in this case, I did a rudimentary search at the time. I saw one, and only one true source for the story - Fox. The others were using Fox as the source, one of them even giving full credit to Fox. Hence my comment. After a little more searching, turns out the crimes in the area were due to cell phone thefts, and there are several stories mentioning that from elsewhere that didn't have "bats" as part of the story.

So, was Fox exaggerating? I didn't look into it further. What is clear is that if true, it's a horrible event. It is however, being sensationalized by Fox for effect and to score political points with its audience, which are right leaning.

I haven't done any subsequent investigation into the story because honestly it doesn't merit the time and effort. That's just what I found. The OP used only right leaning sources. Why? Because they're the sources they read/watch, and are therefore more easily misled by a false narrative they may spin. Or perhaps I'd search today (which I'm not going to do) and find the story has been investigated by a wider set of journalists.

Of course, we live in times where if you don't like something in the news, you just scream "FAKE NEWS", and that ends it. Or if something nasty happens, it's a "FALSE FLAG" to distract people. So really, things are so easily dismissed........
 

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